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    Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel

    MAGA's big tilt towards our closest ally and only post-racial democracy in mideast.
    BTW, any data on how many troops Israel sent to stand with US on frontlines in Iraq or Afghanistan? In quick search, can only find data on troops from UK, Australia, New Zealand, Turkey and some other countries who served and died in these US led wars but there is no mention of Israeli troops.

    Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel

    Mon, 03/19/2018
    Are US troops ready to fight and to die for America’s Israel's defense? ...We think not, but there are US generals out there enthusiastically promoting the idea.



    Brig.-Gen Zvika Haimovitch, the head of the IDF's Aerial Defense Division and US Air Force 3rd AF Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark. Image source: Jerusalem Post.

    “As far as decision-making, it is a partnership,” he continued, stressing nonetheless that “at the end of the day it is about the protection of Israel – and if there is a question in regards to how we will operate, the last vote will probably go to Zvika [Brig.-Gen. Zvika Haimovitch, head of the IDF's Aerial Defense Division].”
    Washington and Israel have signed an agreement which would see the US come to assist Israel with missile defense in times of war and, according to [Israeli commander] Haimovitch, "I am sure once the order comes we will find here US troops on the ground to be part of our deployment team to defend the State of Israel."
    And those US troops who would be deployed to Israel, are prepared to die for the Jewish state, Clark said. "We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that - as every conflict we train for and enter, there is always that possibility," he said.


    https://www. zerohedge. com/news/2018-03-19/top-us-general-says-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel








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    If Javnka, Donnell & Bolton are so ready to die for Israel, why don' t they move the White House to Jerusalem so that they're on the front line?
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    Isn't it true, though?

    They should be prepped to die for Israeli interests, the banks, or to simply amuse our beloved empire on a slow news day.

    Good on Sir Richard Clark for telling it like it is.

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    Die for AIPAC, and continue to fund Israel's Wholesale Robberies and War Crimes, Because.....

    I also agree (in view of Israel's horrific record) with this statement from Scheuer;

    Michael Scheuer: "Israel Is Not Worth An American Life or An American Dollar"


    And Trump can piss up a Shill's rope.

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    Israel should fight their own wars... hell, they're armed to the teeth... shouldn't need our help.

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    We can expect that he'll be appointed ambassador somewhere, possibly fill a Senate seat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Israel should fight their own wars... hell, they're armed to the teeth... shouldn't need our help.
    They are well armed but they are still a very small country which makes them vulnerable.

    Fortunately, there is a lot of room for the country to grow in size. There is still a lot of land in Syria they haven't been forced to take yet. And if anyone on the Jordan side of the border ever attacks them they can start annexing that country also.
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    I don't want US troops to die for Israel. They should be fighting their own battles instead of having the US do it for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Israel should fight their own wars... hell, they're armed to the teeth... shouldn't need our help.
    Exactly. Best military in the ME and have 300+ nukes at their disposal.
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    Ready to die for Israel as in Israel staging another false flag attack on U.S. personnel?
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Has Trump only participated, in limited extent, to the ongoing wars created by past presidents? Has he, yet, started one of his own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Has Trump only participated, in limited extent, to the ongoing wars created by past presidents? Has he, yet, started one of his own?
    Does he need to?

    How many more do we need? (Rhetorical)
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    Recruiting American Spies for Israel



    Israel never loses an opportunity to promote what it perceives to be its interests. That any nation would do just that most of the time should surprise no one, but Israel is perhaps unique in terms of how assiduously it works at creating situations that favor it through the use of corruption of foreign governments and subversion of existing institutions. For most countries, the actions of a minority that seeks to advance the interests of a foreign nation would face strong resistance, but Israel manages to get away with what it does due to the presence of powerful and wealthy diaspora communities, most particularly in the Anglophone countries, but also in France.

    The Israel Lobby in the United States has been subjected to some scrutiny thanks largely to the impetus provided by Professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s groundbreaking study The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. More recent revelations have come from undercover journalism undertaken by al-Jazeera, which has demonstrated how British Jewish groups and parliamentarians have worked together with Israeli Embassy intelligence officers to remove public officials believed to be critical of Israel. Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party, has been on the receiving end of a campaign to replace him for his alleged anti-Semitism solely because he has condemned Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. A second al-Jazeera investigation demonstrated how The Lobby, cooperating with the Israeli Embassy, has been controlling discussion of the Middle East in the United States, which should have surprised no one.

    Europe indeed appears to be a hotbed of anti-Semitism, or so Israel and its friends would have us believe. Leaders in France, Germany and Britain feel compelled to frequently address the issue, making the equivalent of a war on anti-Semitism a principal objective of government. The United States has joined this effort, appointing a Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism whose job includes reporting other countries’ treatment of Jews and Israel.

    The newest wrinkle comes under the category of Lawfare. It consists of hate crime laws that are directed against anyone criticizing Jews and, increasingly, Israel. In fact, any criticism of Israel is frequently being seen as a criminal offense, a trend that is also evident in the United States at the national, state and local levels, where Jewish groups have also been quick off the mark in claiming that anti-Semitism is surging. Freedom of speech in the western world has been diminished as a result.

    Diaspora Jews are well entrenched in the media, which has enabled them to promote a narrative favorable to Israel no matter what it does, to include a repetitive dose of holocaust guilt that plays out from Hollywood and elsewhere in the media. The assiduously cultivated message for the public is that Jews are always the victims, never the aggressors, even when IDF snipers shoot Arab children and medical workers during protests.

    Perhaps more seriously damaging are the technology thefts and deliberate export of American jobs to the Jewish state by Israelis and their diaspora billionaire friends, as well as general interference in and spying on the U.S. government at all levels. But perhaps the most outrageous initiatives engaged in by the Jewish state are the direct attempts to manage U.S. policies by subverting individual Americans who are or will be well placed to influence U.S. government decision making. It is well known how new Congressmen and spouses are treated to an all expenses paid trip to Israel by an affiliate of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which is little more than a propaganda exercise designed to influence their thinking about what is going on in the Middle East while at the same time impressing them regarding the power and wealth of The Lobby. The pandering to Israel is frequently extreme. Late last month, Florida’s governor Ron DeSantis, who has declared himself the most pro-Israel governor in the U.S., held a possibly illegal meeting of his state’s governing cabinet in Jerusalem.

    A recent article in the Jerusalem Post demonstrates another aspect of how extensive Israeli efforts to infiltrate and corrupt American institutions to their benefit actually are. The article describes how “Close to 40 American cadets and officers wrapped up a two-week long trip to Poland and Israel on Monday, meeting with high-ranking military officers to learn about the Jewish State and the reality of its security situation. The trip, organized by Our Soldiers Speak (OSS), left a deep impression on the visiting service members who hail from the West Point Military Academy, the Air Force Academy, and the Virginia Military Institute, with some even voicing their readiness to fight and if necessary die alongside IDF troops.”

    It was the third such visit to Israel by a group of representative military cadets. The travelers were treated to guilt first with stops at concentration camps in Poland. They then were subjected to the Israeli point of view through “high-level briefings from current and former policymakers and commentators from across the spectrum in the areas of security, strategy, international relations, law, politics, and more.”

    Make no mistake, the entire exercise was a scarcely concealed bid to set up what one might regard as the recruitment of future Israeli spies within the U.S. military. Such spies, who will plausibly be able to promote policies favorable to Israel, are referred to as “agents of influence.” Benjamin Anthony, the Director of OSS, admitted as much, saying that “This unparalleled experience enables American cadets to learn about hot-button issues and matters of utmost strategic importance in the Middle East firsthand. By forging bonds between the cadets and Israeli military officers, we are laying the groundwork for future understanding and productive interactions. We wanted to impact people who will be in leaderships positions a short time after the trip to Israel. All of them will be in command positions two or three years after this trip and they will be better informed about America’s greatest ally in the Middle East and the world.”

    The cadets, who apparently received no pre-trip briefings from their respective institutions regarding Israeli spying, naively accepted everything they were presented with and appear to have believed they were hearing the unvarnished truth about the Middle East. They even compared the Jewish state favorably to their own country. One cadet, Stephen Marn of the Virginia Military Institute, enthused that “Israel has so many enemies knocking on their back door yet the people in Jerusalem were happy, enjoying life… it was an amount of true patriotism that I don’t see in America today. I got pretty emotional.”

    Marn, who will receive a commission in the U.S. Army, said that he can “absolutely” see himself fighting alongside IDF officers. “No question, without a doubt,” he said with a smile. West Point cadet Travis Afuso agreed, saying “Absolutely. We have a shared understanding of the threats, a shared set of values based on freedom and democracy and those are the things which will allow us to fight together and if necessary to die by each other’s side if that’s what it comes to. If that is what my country asked of us, if I was sent here, I would be proud to stand by the soldiers of the IDF.”

    Afuso also admired how “Every soldier we spoke to had a deep need to serve. They understand that there will be no Israel unless people are willing to die for Israel. A lot of people in America need to understand that nothing is free and you have to work for it.”

    The comments of the cadets are regrettably similar to the effusions by U.S. Air Force Lieutenant General Richard Clark, who has enthused that American soldiers are “prepared to die for the Jewish state” and also added that they would “probably” be under the command of Israeli Air Force General Zvika Haimovitch, who would decide on the involvement of U.S. personnel. Haimovitch commented “I am sure…we will find U.S. troops on the ground…to defend the state of Israel.” The two generals were referring to the fact that the U.S. already has airmen stationed permanently at Israel’s Mashabim Air Base in spite of the fact that the two countries have no defense agreement of any kind. The Americans, though few in number, would serve as a trip wire to guarantee that Washington would become involved in any war that Israel chooses to start.

    The fact that future military officers are so naďve as to accept a dog and pony show presented by a foreign government that urgently needs uncritical American support is discouraging. The VIP tour they took was no doubt escorted by good looking young Israeli male and female soldiers, the food they ate was probably exceptional, and one might bet that the high officials they spoke to actually pretended to care about the cadets on a personal level. Once those cadets become military officers in responsible positions a few years down the road good buddy Benjamin from the IDF will show up with a dinner invitation to talk about old times. At dinner, Ben will ask for a favor. That is how an intelligence operation targeting certain groups or demographics works. Relax, we love you.

    But what is really surprising is how the trip was organized and paid for. In spite of all the activity by the organization being focused on Israel and its interests, OSS is not Israeli. It is American, funded by the usual Jewish oligarchs and organizations. The “Our Soldiers” referred to are Israelis, demonstrating one again where the actual loyalty of some American Jews resides. OSS is somewhat similar to the odious U.S.-based Friends of the Israel Defense Forces, which routinely raises millions of dollars in gala events in Hollywood and New York City.

    Both of the Israeli front organizations are IRS approved 501(c)3, a status normally granted to groups that are either educational or charitable. Donations are tax exempt, which means that the American taxpayers are footing part of the bill for organizations that are plausibly recruiting spies within the United States government and also supporting a military that is in no way allied with the U.S. It would be very interesting to ask a Congressman how that came about, but he or she would be too terrified to respond, while inquiries to Treasury would undoubtedly land on the desk of the same Jewish bureaucrat who granted the exemptions in the first place. Unfortunately, in Washington some things never change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Does he need to?

    How many more do we need? (Rhetorical)
    But, has he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    But, has he?
    No, in spite of the fact that so many on both sides of the aisle want several more, and he is making progress towards ending some of the old ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Has Trump only participated, in limited extent, to the ongoing wars created by past presidents? Has he, yet, started one of his own?
    Hopefully you're right, at this point very small fires are being ignited ( and only near oil tankers/ships) in an area littered with tinderbox situations.

    But to be devil's advocate, in pre Iraq war propaganda phase, Bush-Cheney team had also participated in prep for very limited war at total cost of $50B. Decade later cost is over $6T and mounting, and MAGA just announced that he wats to keep troops in Iraq still.

    But he's probably not as big a globalist and puppet of neocons as HRC... so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, in spite of the fact that so many on both sides of the aisle want several more, and he is making progress towards ending some of the old ones.
    That's my optics. But, you won't hear it in the MSM. Hell, in my lifetime it seems every president couldn't secure a legacy unless he initiated one.

    And here we are. Though Trump has continued to participate in those initiated before his presidency, to some degrees more or less, he has yet to declare 'his' war.

    and not a M$M pundit will admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    That's my optics. But, you won't hear it in the MSM. Hell, in my lifetime it seems every president couldn't secure a legacy unless he initiated one.

    And here we are. Though Trump has continued to participate in those initiated before his presidency, to some degrees more or less, he has yet to declare 'his' war.

    and not a M$M pundit will admit it.
    You can barely get anyone here to admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post

    But he's probably not as big a globalist and puppet of neocons as HRC... so far.
    I'll take it as it comes. And I'll hope he and Rand will keep golfing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can barely get anyone here to admit it.
    Trump didn't take the Iranian Gulf of Tonkin B.S. The Iranian 'yellow cake.' He has the war powers resolution. He could have. But, he didn't. But the TDS, globalizers, are gonna sput and spout. $#@! 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'll take it as it comes. And I'll hope he and Rand will keep golfing.

    Yea it's somewhat encouraging that he has bendable ear.
    Considering recent escalations in mideast and warships/troops movements, perhaps Rand should try to upgrade his interactions from golf to dinners:

    Top Neocon donor Sheldon Adelson to have dinner at White House with Trump

    timesofisrael.com/sheldon-adelson-to-have-dinner-at-white-house-with-trump
    Jewish billionaire, a staunch supporter of Netanyahu, to dine with the president ahead of PM's Oval Office meeting next Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Yea it's somewhat encouraging that he has bendable ear.
    Considering recent escalations in mideast and warships/troops movements, perhaps Rand should try to upgrade his interactions from golf to dinners:

    Top Neocon donor Sheldon Adelson to have dinner at White House with Trump

    timesofisrael.com/sheldon-adelson-to-have-dinner-at-white-house-with-trump
    Jewish billionaire, a staunch supporter of Netanyahu, to dine with the president ahead of PM's Oval Office meeting next Wednesday.

    Adelson: US should drop atom bomb on Iran

    US sending 1,000 additional troops to Middle East amid Iran tensions
    1k troops ain't $#@!. You've got perhaps 100 operators and 900 logistics. But the optics makes you look like "you are doing something." for the neo-cons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    1k troops ain't $#@!. You've got perhaps 100 operators and 900 logistics. But the optics makes you look like "you are doing something." for the neo-cons.
    They will probably be divided between multiple countries and barely make a difference to the troop levels but nobody can say he didn't take the safety of American troops and our allies or the freedom of the shipping lanes seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    1k troops ain't $#@!.
    Good point.
    Also, it's possible it was just a media release to confuse Iran and real troops could be fewer (or possibly more).

    Quote:
    The additional forces sent Monday raise the total number of troop increases since early May to about 8,500. The Pentagon also has dispatched an aircraft carrier task force, strategic bombers and other warplanes, as well as Patriot anti-missile batteries and other forces.



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Good point.
    Also, it's possible it was just a media release to confuse Iran and real troops could be fewer (or possibly more).

    Quote:
    The additional forces sent Monday raise the total number of troop increases since early May to about 8,500. The Pentagon also has dispatched an aircraft carrier task force, strategic bombers and other warplanes, as well as Patriot anti-missile batteries and other forces.



    Potentially Related

    US military having trouble saying how many troops are in Middle East
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    The Pentagon has acknowledged discrepancies in information about troop levels and pledged more transparency...
    Good point.

    Maybe he is reducing troop levels.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Good point.
    Also, it's possible it was just a media release to confuse Iran and real troops could be fewer (or possibly more).

    Quote:
    The additional forces sent Monday raise the total number of troop increases since early May to about 8,500. The Pentagon also has dispatched an aircraft carrier task force, strategic bombers and other warplanes, as well as Patriot anti-missile batteries and other forces.



    Potentially Related

    US military having trouble saying how many troops are in Middle East
    businessinsider.com/how-many-us-troops-are-in-middle-east-confusion-tr...
    The Pentagon has acknowledged discrepancies in information about troop levels and pledged more transparency...
    That's because these days you can't do $#@! without leaks, I'm not talking Snowden or Assange leaks. I'm talking ANYTHING leaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    and he is making progress towards ending some of the old ones.
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