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  1. #31
    Def false flag eh, no true ethno-nationalist would ever shoot someone.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't even a thing nor are capital gains taxes
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  3. #32
    The guy said in his manifesto that he wanted to start a civil, political and racial war by blaming all sorts of different groups for his actions. Social media won't disappoint. He played the world like a damn fiddle.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

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  5. #33
    Though I will also say that dissident movements of any kind need to show some introspection and figure out just why it is that antisocial psychopaths are attracted to their cause. This seems endemic in the alt-right. Everything they've done in the past two years has seen them shedding normal, well adjusted people and attracting deranged crazy people.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's a prediction, the shooting was an excellent distraction from the events in Israel and Gaza though.
    Not only that, but if other countries ban stuff, we should too, since the consensus here is to emulate other countries.

    Oh, and that Gaza Barrier, under the board walk, down by the sea... so the song goes.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  7. #35
    Christchurch shooter: 49 dead

    What is known so far about the terrorist who attacked the New Zealand mosques
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...aland-mosques/







    https://twitter.com/HKX07/status/1106428050718113792


    https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/sta...16774755598341


    Talk about the MSM drip-feeding the news though. I and probably countless thousands of people had already seen the 16 minute, first person perspective mass shooting within an hour of the event taking place. Yet still the news was talking about "possible gunfire at or near a mosque".

    At least 49 people have been killed and 20 seriously injured after gunmen opened fire in two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch Friday.
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/asi...ntl/index.html
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-15-2019 at 05:54 AM.

  8. #36
    This type of thing happens to Christian churches all the time in the Middle East and Africa, and nobody bats an eye.
    But when it happens to a mosque, we're all supposed to hear the media's dogwhistle and start barking.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Though I will also say that dissident movements of any kind need to show some introspection and figure out just why it is that antisocial psychopaths are attracted to their cause. This seems endemic in the alt-right. Everything they've done in the past two years has seen them shedding normal, well adjusted people and attracting deranged crazy people.
    Does that include going to the websites if others and contradicting, spamming, and bullying them and their best politicians?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
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    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  10. #38
    Too soon?

    "The Patriarch"

    willie with tan lines: enjoy the shots and the woman
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Though I will also say that dissident movements of any kind need to show some introspection and figure out just why it is that antisocial psychopaths are attracted to their cause. This seems endemic in the alt-right. Everything they've done in the past two years has seen them shedding normal, well adjusted people and attracting deranged crazy people.
    Mostly just thinking out loud here, but..

    What is your definition of the "alt-right"? (Asking because it seems there are a lot of people with a lot of different views getting lumped under that umbrella term, so not sure who you are referring to.)

    How do you know the deranged crazy people aren't deranged crazy people coerced to do deranged crazy things to make the "alt-right" look deranged and crazy?

    What if some things have been spun in the media to look deranged and crazy but in actuality there is a logical explanation, possibly including self-defense or defense of another? (I'm obviously NOT talking about this shooting, of course. Thinking more of the Deandre Harris case, for example.)
    There is only one kind of freedom and that's individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator
    and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it. -Ron Paul

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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Def false flag eh, no true ethno-nationalist would ever shoot someone.
    You're there:

    SITREP please.

    First question I suppose: how much freedom is everybody going to lose?



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Mostly just thinking out loud here, but..

    What is your definition of the "alt-right"? (Asking because it seems there are a lot of people with a lot of different views getting lumped under that umbrella term, so not sure who you are referring to.)

    How do you know the deranged crazy people aren't deranged crazy people coerced to do deranged crazy things to make the "alt-right" look deranged and crazy?

    What if some things have been spun in the media to look deranged and crazy but in actuality there is a logical explanation, possibly including self-defense or defense of another? (I'm obviously NOT talking about this shooting, of course. Thinking more of the Deandre Harris case, for example.)
    Maybe not deranged and crazy at all.

    Maybe just fed up and had enough.

  15. #42

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Too soon?

    Was yesterday too soon for this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They may end up renaming Christchurch "Muhammadmosque"
    ?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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  18. #45

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    This type of thing happens to Christian churches all the time in the Middle East and Africa, and nobody bats an eye.
    But when it happens to a mosque, we're all supposed to hear the media's dogwhistle and start barking.
    Not to mention all the cover they get in the newly transformed European countries. I just can't seem to work up any empathy here.
    "The Patriarch"

    willie with tan lines: enjoy the shots and the woman
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.

  20. #47

    Fury as Australian senator blames Christchurch attack on Muslim immigration

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...im-immigration

    15 Mar 2019

    An Australian senator has been strongly criticised after he blamed the New Zealand shooting on Muslim immigration.

    Following the attack, which left 49 people dead at two mosques in Christchurch, Fraser Anning tweeted: “Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?”

    In a statement shared by an Australian journalist on Twitter, the Queensland senator also wrote: “As always, leftwing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views, but this is all cliched nonsense.

    “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

    The remarks were denounced by the UK home secretary, Sajid Javid, who accused the senator of stoking extremism.

    “At a time for grieving and reflection, this Australian senator … fans the flames of violence & extremism,” he tweeted.

    “Australians will be utterly ashamed of this racist man. In no way does he represent our Australian friends.”

    Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, said: “The remarks by Senator Fraser Anning blaming the murderous attacks by a violent, rightwing, extremist terrorist in New Zealand on immigration are disgusting.

    “Those views have no place in Australia, let alone the Australian parliament.”

    The former Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull wrote: “Fraser Anning’s comments today are contemptible.

    “He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.”

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Most things are False Flags these days and this one smells more like one than most.
    False flags usually have circumstances or details which cause people to question whether the event was staged or real.

    So far, this one seems to be legit.

    I also owe you a negative rep for the second one you gave me.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Australian. Ethno-nationalist. Anti-capitalist, anti-individualist. Brevik, turner diaries. Radicalized in Europe. etc etc. Thinks your culture is genetic.

    Also Ex An-cap.

    How many $#@!ing an-caps were an-caps cuz they thought you could be racist in an an-cap utopia?

    A few issues here. You can be racist in any society, not just an an-cap society.. and you certainly can't expect to just murder people in an an-cap society and get away with it. In many societies, you cannot be racist to the extent that you can't serve people in your business, but I think very few racists are attracted to an-cap for the sole reason that they would not have to serve people in their business. You could also have government that allows people to freely associate and do business with whoever they wanted. Not to mention, an-caps are open borders, so while they wouldn't be required to serve people of another race in their restaurant they would not be able to stop them from moving there. I just don't see a lot of racists supporting open borders.

    People are typically attracted to an-cap because they don't have confidence that a group who has declared a monopoly on violence to be the best arbiters in society and because they don't like when government gets in the way of free market economics.

    There is a big difference between a racist who doesn't want to serve someone in their business or whathaveyou and a racist who wants to kill a bunch of people from another race. I don't see how anybody who wants closed borders and wants to kill people from another race would be attracted to an ideology based on the non-aggression principle. There is a sliver of folks who are racist but are ok with open borders as long as there is free association.

    Another big issue I have is how the media refers to people who are big government socialists and also happen to be racists as right-wing.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  24. #50
    They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt.
    Isnt he justifying the rights of people to defend themselves against all "colonization" or invasions?

    The UK, Izrael, our government since WW2 etc.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    False flags usually have circumstances or details which cause people to question whether the event was staged or real.

    So far, this one seems to be legit.

    I also owe you a negative rep for the second one you gave me.
    That is totally incorrect. Things can be 'staged' to an extent and still actually happen, for example the Boston Marathon Bombing. They can blame patsies who were not involved, or they can use their own patsies. Then there is MK-Ultra to consider.

    The Reichstag ACTUALLY burned down.

    The twin towers ACTUALLY fell and killed thousands of people.

    People may have very well ACTUALLY died in the Aurora shooting.

    All false flags.

    An example of what you seem to be talking about is something like the Gulf of Tonkin, which didn't actually happen, it was staged on a communications platform used by the military.

    Some people hypothesize Sandy Hook was 'staged' and that nobody was actually hurt.

    There are false flags of many stripes.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That is totally incorrect. Things can be 'staged' to an extent and still actually happen, for example the Boston Marathon Bombing. They can blame patsies who were not involved, or they can use their own patsies. Then there is MK-Ultra to consider.

    The Reichstag ACTUALLY burned down.

    The twin towers ACTUALLY fell and killed thousands of people.

    People may have very well ACTUALLY died in the Aurora shooting.

    All false flags.

    An example of what you seem to be talking about is something like the Gulf of Tonkin, which didn't actually happen, it was staged on a communications platform used by the military.

    Some people hypothesize Sandy Hook was 'staged' and that nobody was actually hurt.

    There are false flags of many stripes.
    I used the word staged but I essentially agree with what yorue saying.

    At this point, it doesnt seem like a false flag.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

  27. #53
    More context on his statement.

    https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/austra...m-immigration/
    Fraser Anning, a senator in Queensland, issued a statement in which he described the attacks as “vigilantism,” saying that “while Muslims may be the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators,” according to the New Zealand Herald.

    He added: “Worldwide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.”

    “As always, left-wing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views but this is all clichéd nonsense,” the 69-year-old continued.

    “The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

    He went on to say he is “utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman.

    “However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence,” he said, calling Islam the “religious equivalent of fascism.”

    Anning doubled down on Twitter later.

    “Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?” he wrote.

    “I wonder if there will be as much outrage from the left wing when the next Muslim terrorist attack occurs? Most likely silence and talk about ‘lone wolf attacks, mental illness and no connection to Islam,’” he said in another tweet.
    The shooter wrote a manifesto about it but anyone that points out the shooters stated motivation is a racist or hate monger. Stating facts is spewing hate or racism as usual.

    He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.” Says the anti-white or anti-Christian.

    I hate these lying anti-white, anti-Christian news media scum and their lying politicians almost as much as I hate what the shooter did.
    Last edited by kahless; 03-15-2019 at 11:37 AM.

  28. #54
    This story's headlines also show how New Zealand (and perhaps Europe) can be very different from US in handling indictments/sentencing of such violent actions. It appears they don't have 'hate crime' clause like US or death penalty:



    New Zealand:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/asia/...ntl/index.html

    Suspect in New Zealand mass shooting charged with murder
    March 15, 201
    CNN)A 28-year-old man has been charged with murder in connection with an unprecedented attack on two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch on Friday, which left at least 49 people dead.

    On Twitter, Ranstorp noted that the New Zealand shooter claimed he would leave prison after 27 years and likened himself to late South African President Nelson Mandela, saying he would get the Nobel Peace Prize.




    US:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice...ing-1437587642

    Alleged Charleston Church Shooter Indicted on Federal Hate Crime Charges

    Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
    Jury announced their decision that Roof should be executed after he was convicted last month of 33 federal charges, including murder and hate crimes






    Earlier thought this was a a World Affairs story but now Drudge Report and MSM are covering it extensively.

    Some other headlines on Drudge currently:


    Candace Owens Ripped for ‘LOL’ Reaction After New Zealand Massacre Suspect Named Her Biggest Influence


    In several tweets, Owens jeered at critics whom she said were attempting to pin responsibly for the mass shooting on her

    Jon Levine | March 15
    https://www.thewrap.com/candace-owen...est-influence/



    Report: Good Guy with Gun Chased, Shot at New Zealand Attackers

    BREAKING: The New Zealand Herald reports that the shooting at the second mosque was stopped by an armed Muslim who "chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off." pic.twitter.com/BA2FzsXq2d
    — Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) March 15, 2019




  29. #55
    an cap pat cam tin wan un canem port tellu

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    I used the word staged but I essentially agree with what yorue saying.

    At this point, it doesnt seem like a false flag.
    My definition of a "false flag" is something that was set up & completed by the alphabets.

    A patsy who has been mind-controlled & driven to do something horrendous isn't a "false flag". JMHPOV
    There is no spoon.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Isnt he justifying the rights of people to defend themselves against all "colonization" or invasions?

    The UK, Izrael, our government since WW2 etc.
    Actually since the 1400's and before.
    There is no spoon.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    My definition of a "false flag" is something that was set up & completed by the alphabets.

    A patsy who has been mind-controlled & driven to do something horrendous isn't a "false flag". JMHPOV
    Like a Esteban Santiago situation:

    Fort Lauderdale suspect claimed government was controlling his mind months before shooting.

    Two months before the shooting, they said, he was admitted to a mental-health facility after showing up at an FBI field office and telling agents his mind was being controlled, complaining that the government was forcing him to watch Islamic State videos.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Actually since the 1400's and before.
    There is no spoon.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    More context on his statement.

    https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/austra...m-immigration/


    The shooter wrote a manifesto about it but anyone that points out the shooters stated motivation is a racist or hate monger. Stating facts is spewing hate or racism as usual.

    He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.” Says the anti-white or anti-Christian.

    I hate these lying anti-white, anti-Christian news media scum and their lying politicians almost as much as I hate what the shooter did.
    It's not Muslims who are killing people around the world on an industrial scale-
    There is no spoon.

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