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    ICE has a huge license plate database targeting immigrants

    https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/13/ic...es-immigrants/

    Newly released documents reveal Immigration and Customs Enforcement is tracking and targeting immigrants through a massive license plate reader database supplied with data from local police departments
    Talla, who sued ICE to release the documents, said the government “should not have unfettered access to information that reveals where we live, where we work, and our private habits.”
    So, do the trumpettes and shylls disavow their Authoritarian Idol and support Ron Paul? Or will they argue endlessly for turning our country into north korea or east germany, because it's easier to catch more criminals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/13/ic...es-immigrants/




    So, do the trumpettes and shylls disavow their Authoritarian Idol and support Ron Paul? Or will they argue endlessly for turning our country into north korea or east germany, because it's easier to catch more criminals?
    Targeting Illegals or immigrants?

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    The anti-liberty shills do not care about the true criminals. They only care about justifying their love for statism and the growth of the police state, no matter what the cost both financially and loss of freedom. Like the last phase, once this phase is complete, they will move on to the next phase, explaining that we must also be “targeted” in order to differentiate “them” from us.

    You see, to them, liberty and freedom only applies to “certain” Americans. If you are not American or do not fit within their “guidelines”, liberty/freedom does not and should never apply to you. Well, unless one pays a mighty price and documents their soul with centralized databases.

    Simply refer to post #2 of this thread for a well established example:

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Targeting Illegals or immigrants?
    Last edited by PAF; 03-15-2019 at 12:05 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Hey, government already violates the 4th Amendment on a massive scale anyway, so....

    At least that's the kind of arguments I've been seeing around here lately to support going after those damned "illegals" in various ways, so I expect i'll get trotted out here too.

    Principles used to mean something around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The anti-liberty shills do not care about the true criminals. They only care about justifying their love for statism and the growth of the police state, no matter what the cost both financially and loss of freedom. Like the last phase, once this phase is complete, they will move on to the next phase, explaining that we must also be “targeted” in order to differentiate “them” from us.

    You see, to them, liberty and freedom only applies to “certain” Americans. If you are not American or do not fit within their “guidelines”, liberty/freedom does not and should never apply to you. Well, unless one pays a mighty price and documents their soul with centralized databases.

    Simply refer to post #2 of this thread for a well established example:
    Ron Paul's position is to end the government spying on everyone, period. The rationalization for government spying has simply shifted from terrorists, to illegal immigrants. Ron Paul repeatedly states that spying is unnecessary to fight both terrorism and illegal immigration, and that these pretexts are simply being used to rationalize expansion of the police state and spy on EVERYONE. The trumpettes and shylls directly oppose and mock Ron Paul, and claim that "any and all means" must be used to catch criminals, whether they be terrorists or illegal immigrants. A genuine Ron Paul supporter would not make this claim, yet the site owners and mods condone Ron Paul and his supporters to be openly mocked. The trumpettes and shylls claim to be Ron Paul supporters, yet will refuse to disavow their Authoritarian Idol when shown that trump's actions directly oppose Ron Paul. The expansion of the police state under trump targets EVERYONE, not just the indicated scapegoat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The anti-liberty shills do not care about the true criminals. They only care about justifying their love for statism and the growth of the police state, no matter what the cost both financially and loss of freedom. Like the last phase, once this phase is complete, they will move on to the next phase, explaining that we must also be “targeted” in order to differentiate “them” from us.

    You see, to them, liberty and freedom only applies to “certain” Americans. If you are not American or do not fit within their “guidelines”, liberty/freedom does not and should never apply to you. Well, unless one pays a mighty price and documents their soul with centralized databases.

    Simply refer to post #2 of this thread for a well established example:

    ''anti-liberty shills ''

    What are you referring too ?
    On this forum?

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    I support Ron Paul's position on this issue, but I still think Trump was, by far, infinitely, the best possible outcome for the last election, with the exception of Rand.

    It wasn't even like Trump and Hillary were similar, but Trump was a little better.. Trump is light years better than Hillary and the other neocons he was running against, even though he isn't perfect.
    Last edited by dannno; 03-15-2019 at 01:40 PM.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I support Ron Paul's position on this issue, but I still think Trump was, by far, infinitely, the best possible outcome for the last election, with the exception of Rand.

    It wasn't even like Trump and Hillary were similar, but Trump was a little better.. Trump is light years better than Hillary and the other neocons he was running against, even though he isn't perfect.
    How can you support Ron Paul, if his position is one of opposition to anyone expanding the police state? How can one person who expands the police state be infinitely better than another person who expands the police state? Are you saying that it is infinitely better to have one person expand the police state in a different way than another person might? Or are you saying that an expansion of the police state is acceptable because of something else that that person did, or might do? Ron Paul's position is to not support any expansion of the police state at all, and any way or degree of doing so is unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    How can you support Ron Paul, if his position is one of opposition to anyone expanding the police state? How can one person who expands the police state be infinitely better than another person who expands the police state? Are you saying that it is infinitely better to have one person expand the police state in a different way than another person might? Or are you saying that an expansion of the police state is acceptable because of something else that that person did, or might do? Ron Paul's position is to not support any expansion of the police state at all, and any way or degree of doing so is unacceptable.

    You sound like a very narrow-minded person.

    Ron Paul is for expanding liberty and increasing peace in the world.

    There are thousands of important issues in the world, the police state as it applies to illegal immigrants is just one of those thousands of issues. You are narrow-minded because you are looking at that one issue and making a determination based on it alone.

    If a candidate who wanted to bring all of our troops home, get rid of the welfare state, End the Fed, get the government out of education, but wanted to expand the national pet database... and they were running against somebody who wanted to start more wars and expand government, do you think Ron Paul would avoid supporting their opponent because they wanted to expand the national pet database? Of course not, that's completely insane.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You sound like a very narrow-minded person.
    Not narrow-minded - principled.

    This might help:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You sound like a very narrow-minded person.

    Ron Paul is for expanding liberty and increasing peace in the world.

    There are thousands of important issues in the world, the police state as it applies to illegal immigrants is just one of those thousands of issues. You are narrow-minded because you are looking at that one issue and making a determination based on it alone.

    If a candidate who wanted to bring all of our troops home, get rid of the welfare state, End the Fed, get the government out of education, but wanted to expand the national pet database... and they were running against somebody who wanted to start more wars and expand government, do you think Ron Paul would avoid supporting their opponent because they wanted to expand the national pet database? Of course not, that's completely insane.
    So you would argue that expansion of the police state is worthwhile because more illegal immigrants could be caught or that person might be doing other things that are good, and that it is narrowminded to think otherwise, correct?
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    The give away here is that the statists will not demand or rally against the police state or ending incentives/welfare. @CCTelander summed it up. They will criticize or disregard Justin Amash, Walter Block, Ron Paul, but never criticize the Fed for creating and exasperating the problems. They will sacrifice liberty for security, while condemning entire groups of people to succeed in their goal. Guilty until proven innocent, spend more, and expanding the government seems to be en vogue these days.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    So you would argue that expansion of the police state is worthwhile because more illegal immigrants could be caught or that person might be doing other things that are good, and that it is narrowminded to think otherwise, correct?
    LOL, no... You are narrow-minded because you can't think about more than one topic at the same time. You are still doing it, even after I explained what you were doing. It's actually pretty funny.

    I think expanding the police state against illegal immigrants is worthwhile in the cause for liberty compared to what Hillary and the Democrats have in store for our country.

    Trump got rid of the Obamacare mandate.. I have several friends without health insurance who could have been completely screwed. Trump is saving me several thousand dollars a year in taxes. Trump wants to bring the troops home from Syria and Afghanistan - he is facing enormous pushback, but I think it is our best shot at achieving that goal.

    Trump has significantly reduced regulations and packed the courts with conservative judges.

    Not to mention, the whole culture war thing, which the way I see it is a bunch of socialists who want free healthcare, free education, UBI, etc.. and they want anybody in the world to be able to come here and steal it from working Americans.

    I would have considered giving my left kidney if it meant Donald Trump won instead of Hillary, that is how huge of a difference I think that race had on the future of humanity.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The give away here is that the statists will not demand or rally against the police state or ending incentives/welfare. @CCTelander summed it up. They will criticize or disregard Justin Amash, Walter Block, Ron Paul, but never criticize the Fed for creating and exasperating the problems. They will sacrifice liberty for security, while condemning entire groups of people to succeed in their goal. Guilty until proven innocent, spend more, and expanding the government seems to be en vogue these days.
    I don't criticize or disregard Amash or Ron Paul, I criticize the Fed all the time. I don't want to sacrifice liberty for more security, I am willing to trade a slice of liberty for ten slices of liberty, however. I also like very small government. I have no idea what you are talking about in this post.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I think expanding the police state against illegal immigrants is worthwhile
    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Thank you!
    That is out of context. You are dishonest and narrow-minded. I actually purposely worded the sentence that way to test out your intellectual honesty. You failed.

    Would you trade one slice of liberty for ten slices of liberty, each slice being equal?
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That is out of context. You are dishonest and narrow-minded. I actually purposely worded the sentence that way to test out your intellectual honesty. You failed.

    Would you trade one slice of liberty for ten slices of liberty, each slice being equal?
    Silly you. Nothing was out of context, I merely separated your answer from the useless tripe. The only intellectual dishonesty here is your thinking that spying on everyone will somehow only be used against illegal immigrants, that this is somehow justified, and that you are not directly in opposition to Ron Paul. By all means, please keep the comedy rolling, and allow everyone to watch you gladly lick the boot of your Authoritarian Idol yet again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Silly you. Nothing was out of context, I merely separated your answer from the useless tripe. The only intellectual dishonesty here is your thinking that spying on everyone will somehow only be used against illegal immigrants, that this is somehow justified, and that you are not directly in opposition to Ron Paul. By all means, please keep the comedy rolling, and allow everyone to watch you gladly lick the boot of your Authoritarian Idol yet again.
    Everything you said is completely wrong, that has nothing to do with anything I said and anybody who actually read the thread will see through it.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Silly you. Nothing was out of context, I merely separated your answer from the useless tripe. The only intellectual dishonesty here is your thinking that spying on everyone will somehow only be used against illegal immigrants, that this is somehow justified, and that you are not directly in opposition to Ron Paul. By all means, please keep the comedy rolling, and allow everyone to watch you gladly lick the boot of your Authoritarian Idol yet again.
    Would you trade one slice of liberty for ten slices?

    For example, would you take a 1% tax increase in trade for a 10% tax reduction?

    I'm trying to boil this down to 5-year old level basicness, and you are ignoring it. Do you want to have an honest conversation? Or do you just want to hate Donald Trump? I'm here to debate with people who want to learn, not to waste my time talking to people with a mental disorder.

    I'm pretty sure we both want the same thing, but you don't seem to want to have an honest conversation to get there, you seem to be more interested in laughing at SNL and CNN style anti-Trump 'comedy'.
    Last edited by dannno; 03-15-2019 at 04:28 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    How can you support Ron Paul, if his position is one of opposition to anyone expanding the police state? How can one person who expands the police state be infinitely better than another person who expands the police state? Are you saying that it is infinitely better to have one person expand the police state in a different way than another person might? Or are you saying that an expansion of the police state is acceptable because of something else that that person did, or might do? Ron Paul's position is to not support any expansion of the police state at all, and any way or degree of doing so is unacceptable.
    Who did you vote for, based on what policies?

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Silly you. Nothing was out of context, I merely separated your answer from the useless tripe. The only intellectual dishonesty here is your thinking that spying on everyone will somehow only be used against illegal immigrants, that this is somehow justified, and that you are not directly in opposition to Ron Paul. By all means, please keep the comedy rolling, and allow everyone to watch you gladly lick the boot of your Authoritarian Idol yet again.
    I don't want to spy on anybody. I said in my first post that I agreed with Ron Paul on this one. That doesn't mean I'm going to hand the country over to $#@!in Hillary.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The anti-liberty shills do not care about the true criminals. They only care about justifying their love for statism and the growth of the police state, no matter what the cost both financially and loss of freedom. Like the last phase, once this phase is complete, they will move on to the next phase, explaining that we must also be “targeted” in order to differentiate “them” from us.

    You see, to them, liberty and freedom only applies to “certain” Americans. If you are not American or do not fit within their “guidelines”, liberty/freedom does not and should never apply to you. Well, unless one pays a mighty price and documents their soul with centralized databases.

    Simply refer to post #2 of this thread for a well established example:

    Targeting Illegal Aliens or immigrants?

    And,,,,, are you here legally?



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