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    Is Putin the world's best ruler?

    He has led the westernization (or whatever you want to call it) of Russia and it seems pretty remarkable, especially considering the short time frame of when he took power.

    -Russia can retire ALL debt, public and private, purely from gold and other reserves
    -non-energy resource exports exploding, no longer dependent on oil
    -yet still profiting from oil due to tight eastern Eurasian integration
    -christianity and Judaism heavily protected
    -only country free from GMO
    -pushing more children, lower taxes
    -stopped overt Obama war (Syria red line)
    -made US sanctions largely irrelevant
    -go back to point 1. Debt-free!! Vladimir Andrew Jackson! Unreal after the socialism horror

    Seems like the strategy is wait for the dollar/global collapse, then pounce with their newly developed financial might.

    Sound money and stability in Moscow. Wow!!!!
    Last edited by kona; 03-13-2019 at 10:08 PM.



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    He is certainly a contender for the title in spite of his faults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    -christianity and Judaism heavily protected
    Only the state approved varieties of Christianity are. Others are outlawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    -only country free from GMO
    So someone can't buy GMO there if they want? And that's a good thing?

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    Vladimir Andrew Jackson!
    I see you're on an Andrew Jackson kick. This is the third thread you mentioned him in, and the second one where you shoe-horned him into something he had nothing to do with.

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    Stalin is a better ruler than Putin.

    The only good ruler is a dead ruler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Yes, Vladimir Putin is the best ruler in the world.
    I agree. Many people feel that way, especially people living outside of the US corrupt media propaganda machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Only the state approved varieties of Christianity are. Others are outlawed.
    Source?

    The vast majority of Christianity (denominations) are not ‘outlawed’.

    The only ones I am aware of are Jehovah Wintess and Scientology being listed as cults (they are not Christian religions, btw). Not sure how ‘illegal’ it is to practice privately, if at all.
    Last edited by TER; 03-14-2019 at 10:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Source?

    The vast majority of Christianity (denominations) are not ‘outlawed’.

    The only ones I am aware of are Jehovah Wintess and Scientology being listed as cults (they are not Christian religions, btw). Not sure how ‘illegal’ it is to practice privately, if at all.
    So they do outlaw those religions.

    I didn't mean that they're genuine Christianity. But that's beside the point. That's not for the government to decide, and even if something is a cult, it shouldn't be outlawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    So they do outlaw those religions.

    I didn't mean that they're genuine Christianity. But that's beside the point. That's not for the government to decide, and even if something is a cult, it shouldn't be outlawed.
    Yes, cults are outlawed in Russia. The nation and its people have decided to have stricter rules than America regarding cults they deem may be dangerous to the nation. I am not under any illusion this isn’t the case. I also notice that Russia is one of the last remaining powerful nations which can be called ‘Christian’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Yes, cults are outlawed in Russia. The nation and its people have decided to have stricter rules than America regarding cults they deem may be dangerous to the nation. I am not under any illusion this isn’t the case. I also notice that Russia is one of the last remaining powerful nations which can be called ‘Christian’.
    If what you mean by being called "Christian" is that the regime establishes Christianity as the state religion, then by virtue of this very fact, they are disqualified from being truly Christian. Christianity is incompatible with the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    If what you mean by being called "Christian" is that the regime establishes Christianity as the state religion, then by virtue of this very fact, they are disqualified from being truly Christian. Christianity is incompatible with the state.
    We have different ideas then what Christianity is and the relationship between the Church and the State. I’m okay with that. I hold to the ancient and traditional view that they are indeed separate but work together for the good of the faithful and the state.
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    From Wikipedia for the sake of expediency:
    Religion in Russia is diverse with Christianity, especially Orthodoxy, being the most widely professed faith, but with significant minorities of Irreligious people, Muslims and Pagans. A 1997 law on religion recognises the right to freedom of conscience and creed to all the citizenry, the spiritual contribution of Orthodox Christianity to the history of Russia, and respect to "Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and other religions and creeds which constitute an inseparable part of the historical heritage of Russia's peoples",[3] including ethnic religions or Paganism, either preserved or revived.[4] According to the law, any religious organisation may be recognised as "traditional" if it was already in existence before 1982, and each newly founded religious group has to provide its credentials and re-register yearly for fifteen years, and, in the meantime until eventual recognition, stay without rights.[3]
    Russians are very suspicious of cultish denominations. Scientologists, JW's, Mormons, and Western Evangelicals are not trusted. For good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Only the state approved varieties of Christianity are. Others are outlawed.



    So someone can't buy GMO there if they want? And that's a good thing?



    I see you're on an Andrew Jackson kick. This is the third thread you mentioned him in, and the second one where you shoe-horned him into something he had nothing to do with.
    On GMO, if you want it you should be able to get it, but if you don't want it, you shouldn't be forced to have it. Russia doesn't follow the forced contamination of food with GMOs like we do here, I don't see how that is a bad thing.

    With respect to AJ, since Putin has not paid off the debt (despite Russia's financial ability to liquidate it in one shot), I agree the AJ reference is probably not apt. But to associate him with libertarianism (as I did in the other thread) seems apt, given Murray Rothbard did.

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    Trump is the best ruler. Just ask him. But he likes Putin too.

    -Russia can retire ALL debt, public and private, purely from gold and other reserves
    As of January of this year, Russia had 67.9 million ounces of gold. https://sputniknews.com/russia/20190...reserves-list/

    At $1300 an ounce, that would be worth $88 billion.

    Their external debt was $453 billion that same month. https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/external-debt
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 03-14-2019 at 06:19 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump is the best ruler. Just ask him. But he likes Putin too.



    As of January of this year, Russia had 67.9 million ounces of gold. https://sputniknews.com/russia/20190...reserves-list/

    At $1300 an ounce, that would be worth $88 billion.

    Their external debt was $453 billion that same month. https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/external-debt
    More nitpicking from zippy, who never once added anything to the conversation besides nitpicking.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ites-are-swine

    "Russia’s financial reserves are more than sufficient to cover its entire external debt, both public and private."



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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post


    This actor did and even better one than this , in another film he took the 'villains'
    weapons out instead, and slap , slap, guns back in holsters, rinse , repeat, best there ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    If what you mean by being called "Christian" is that the regime establishes Christianity as the state religion, then by virtue of this very fact, they are disqualified from being truly Christian. Christianity is incompatible with the state.
    How on earth did you come up with this tripe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    ...

    So someone can't buy GMO there if they want? And that's a good thing?



    ....
    Yes

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    I see Russia is going to start taking care of the garbage.

    lots of new infrastructure projects such as the soon-to-be-opened Autobahn between Moscow and St. Petersburg, revamped trash collection and recycling and major air pollution reductions in a dozen major cities; the list goes on and on.

    No opposition to these proposals worth mentioning was voiced in any of the commentary that followed on news programs and talk shows; after all, who could possibly be against spending amassed capital on projects that help the population?
    Of course when the government owns the media, if you criticize the boss you may lose your job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Source?

    The vast majority of Christianity (denominations) are not ‘outlawed’.

    The only ones I am aware of are Jehovah Wintess and Scientology being listed as cults (they are not Christian religions, btw). Not sure how ‘illegal’ it is to practice privately, if at all.
    You are not allowed to discuss religion outside a church.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=61529461

    A package of laws passed by Russia's parliament in July 2016 banned proselytising outside of places of worship, forcing the Mormons to curtail their traditional public efforts to recruit people to their faith.

    The laws, which were billed as anti-terror measure, intended to prevent "extremism," have been used to target "foreign" minority religious groups that have longed been viewed with suspicion by Russian state authorities.
    2 American Mormons arrested in Russia, face deportation

    Two American Mormons are facing deportation after they were arrested inside a southern Russian church and convicted for misusing their visas to teach English, according to the lawyer for the men.

    The two U.S. citizens, David Gaaga and Cole Brodowski were accused of violating the terms of their visas by teaching English to other members of the congregation, their Russian lawyer, Sergey Glinznutsa told ABC News by telephone.

    Brodowski and Gaaga were detained since last Friday while inside a Mormon church in Novorossiysk, a city on Russia's Black Sea coast.

    A district court in Novorossiysk on Wednesday convicted the two men of violating immigration rules and ordered their deportation.

    Russia Added To List Of Countries Persecuting Christians

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/t...tolerance.html

    Newly added to the World Watch List in 2019 are the Russian Federation (41) and Morocco (35). Though they were not on the 2018 list, they had made the list in previous years.

    “Christians in parts of Russia dominated by Islam report the highest level of persecution,” an Open Doors fact sheet on Russia explains. “Additionally, an increase in state control has resulted in more tight controls for any Christian denomination seen as non-Russian, which means evangelical churches are often regarded with suspicion. The government continues to pass more restrictive legislation on religious freedom.”

    Moore told CP that evangelicals and other non-Orthodox believers like Jehovah's Witnesses continue to face “incomprehensible marginalization and persecution from the government” in Russia as a law passed in 2016 has restricted evangelism and missionary activities.

    “What does surprise me is that a country whose Christians were so horrifically persecuted for so long over the last century that their memories would fail them now when they have more freedom of worship now than they did in the Soviet Era,” Moore said. “It feels like certain leaders in the Russian Orthodox Church are ... in collusion with the government in suppressing certain other groups.”
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    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...-just-business

    In Russia, getting arrested isn’t personal. It’s just business.

    Late last month, Russia’s largest private equity firm took the extremely unusual step of publishing an open letter to President Vladimir Putin.

    Even more remarkable was its message: an appeal that Mr. Putin “take control” over the criminal case against the company’s founder, US citizen Michael Calvey, who was arrested in Moscow along with several of his associates Feb. 14 on charges of embezzlement.

    The case has triggered international shock waves, with many suspecting Mr. Calvey’s arrest and ongoing detention are somehow connected to the escalating geopolitical acrimony between the US and Russia. But most experts consulted say the problem is more fundamental and worrisome.

    They say Calvey’s citizenship was probably incidental to his arrest. Rather, he has become a victim of Russia’s vicious business environment – a reality that Putin has described and railed against repeatedly, most recently a few weeks ago in his State of the Nation address. Calvey is facing the same treatment suffered by thousands of Russian businesspeople who are charged, often speciously, with “economic crimes”: long periods of detention, seizure of assets, and permanent disgrace at the hands of predatory police and officials.

    “The only unique thing about the Calvey case is that it has happened to an American, [with Russian authorities] crossing that line for the first time,” says Alexis Rodzianko, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia. “Calvey has been a long-term investor here, someone who has stood up for and looked for positive solutions for Russia, even when the geopolitics got very bad. It appears to be a very serious abuse of police and judicial power in Russia.”

    Experts say the case highlights one of the most serious causes of Russia’s continuing anemic economic growth and failure to attract major foreign investment.

    Though comprehensive Western sanctions continue to be a drag on growth, smart Kremlin policies have substantially blunted their impact. Russia’s place on the World Bank’s ease-of-doing-business rankings has been steadily improving in recent years. Yet what remains largely unaddressed, despite Putin’s frequent speechmaking, are the underlying rule-of-law issues such as reliable property rights, the curtailment of arbitrary police powers, and the establishment of an independent judiciary.

    “The potential for growth of investment in Russia continues to be far from realized,” says Mr. Rodzianko. “Some of that is geopolitics. But a big part is Russia’s internal investment climate. How much are you going to invest in a place where you might get arrested and thrown in jail?”

    Rodzianko’s organization represents about 500 US companies, including many household names, that continue to be very active in the Russian market. Although official US statistics suggest there is almost no US investment in Russia, Rodzianko says companies bring capital from other places to invest in Russia, so that the actual total is probably around $80 billion. According to a survey conducted among its members by the organization last year, most remain committed to their Russia operations despite sanctions and international tensions, while 65 percent view Russia as a “strategic market” for their company with serious potential for growth.
    Titov’s office says there are currently about 6,000 Russian businesspeople in prison, many of them in predicaments similar to that of Calvey. In many cases, their accuser is a business partner who has cultivated ties with local authorities or security officials or who has used other corrupt means to win favor with police and courts.

    “There is a whole chain that involves investigators, prosecutors, and the courts. These bodies often ignore the law. They are absolutely confident that their actions won’t be reexamined and there will be no appeals,” says Mr. Korunzhiy. “It’s not a problem with the laws as written; it is the way they are implemented.”

    The impunity with which officials seem to be able to persecute businesspeople may be rooted in Soviet-era attitudes that saw private enterprise as antisocial activity. But that does not explain why the numbers of Russians who see opening their own business as “undesirable” is actually growing, from 49 percent at the dawn of the post-Soviet era in 1991 to 68 percent in 2017, according to a survey by the state-funded VTsIOM polling agency.

    “Basically, Russians distrust the business community the same way they distrust bureaucrats,” says Alexander Baunov, an expert with the Moscow Carnegie Center. “There is a perception that entrepreneurs are people who took advantage of the Soviet collapse to help themselves to the people’s property, that they are predators. So, when business people get into trouble with the law, they cannot rely on public sympathy....
    More at link.


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    Putin is definitely not the best ruler, but he's certainly in the running for 2nd best
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Titovís office says there are currently about 6,000 Russian businesspeople in prison.......
    The Land of the Free has way more than 6000 small pharmaceutical sellers sitting in prison.
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    Best ruler in the world:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    How on earth did you come up with this tripe?
    By listening to Jesus.

    He commands us who follow him to repudiate ruling over others the way the rulers of the nations do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A package of laws passed by Russia's parliament in July 2016 banned proselytising outside of places of worship, forcing the Mormons to curtail their traditional public efforts to recruit people to their faith.

    The laws, which were billed as anti-terror measure, intended to prevent "extremism," have been used to target "foreign" minority religious groups that have longed been viewed with suspicion by Russian state authorities
    .

    2 American Mormons arrested in Russia, face deportation

    Two American Mormons are facing deportation after they were arrested inside a southern Russian church and convicted for misusing their visas to teach English, according to the lawyer for the men.

    The two U.S. citizens, David Gaaga and Cole Brodowski were accused of violating the terms of their visas by teaching English to other members of the congregation, their Russian lawyer, Sergey Glinznutsa told ABC News by telephone.

    Brodowski and Gaaga were detained since last Friday while inside a Mormon church in Novorossiysk, a city on Russia's Black Sea coast.

    A district court in Novorossiysk on Wednesday convicted the two men of violating immigration rules and ordered their deportation
    .
    It sounds the Russians are enforcing their visa rules to the letter like we should.

    Plus, it has long been suspected that the Mormons use their missionaries to collect information for the US intelligence agencies. The very high number of Mormons in these agencies attest to the close ties.

    Why would Russia want these people crawling all around their country?
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    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1106544325020647426



    https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/statu...82668508721152
    Last edited by goldenequity; 03-15-2019 at 08:49 AM.

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    One can never look into the heart of another, and men can say anything and not mean it, so in the end, the only real proof we have of a person's religious faith is his actions...
    ...and of all world leaders, Putin is the only one I've seen in photos and videos actually practicing the religion he professes.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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