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    CIA Implicated In 'Especially Violent' Attack On North Korean Embassy In Madrid

    Investigators from Spain's National Intelligence Center (CNI) and the Spanish police have linked a February 22 attack on the North Korean embassy in Madrid to the CIA, according to El Pais.

    On February 22 at approximately 3pm, 10 masked men carrying fake weapons broke into the embassy, tied up eight people, put bags over their heads, and proceeded to beat and interrogate them for two hours. One woman was able to escape through a second-floor window, and police were called after a neighbor heard her screaming.
    When officers arrived at the embassy, a man opened the door and told them that nothing was going on. "Minutes later, two luxury vehicles sped out of the embassy," according to the report. The getaway cars - belonging to the diplomatic mission, were abandoned in a nearby street.

    According to the report, at least two of the 10 assailants have been identified and have connections to the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA has denied any involvement, however Spanish government sources say their response was "unconvincing" according to El Pais.
    If it is proven that the CIA was behind the attack, it could lead to a diplomatic spat between Madrid and Washington. Government sources say that it would be ďunacceptableĒ for an ally to take such action. Not only would it mean that the US agency had operated on Spanish soil without asking for authorization or informing the authorities, it would also be a violation of the international conventions that protect diplomatic delegations. -El Pais
    Investigators from CNI and the General Information Office (GNI) ruled out common criminals - instead saying that it was a perfectly planned operation as if it were carried out by a "military cell," according to sources close to the investigation. "The assailants knew what they were looking for, taking only computers and mobile phones," reports El Pais.
    Spain's High Court - the Audencia Nacional, will review the highly secretive investigation. That said, government sources admit that it may prove difficult to prove the CIA was involved.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...embassy-madrid
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    Why should the North Koreans disarm? Iraq taught dictators you need to have nukes, it is the only thing the psycho Neocons understand.
    His name was Seth Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Why should the North Koreans disarm? Iraq taught dictators you need to have nukes, it is the only thing the psycho Neocons understand.
    The CIA sure wants them to refuse to disarm, why else would they do this just before Trump's latest meeting with Kim?
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    I cannot say I even know why the north koreans would have an embassy in spain . Something about it seems comical . They have one in paris too ?
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The CIA sure wants them to refuse to disarm, why else would they do this just before Trump's latest meeting with Kim?
    Maybe the arsenal has a bunch of Bunker Buster bombs that are getting old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Maybe the arsenal has a bunch of Bunker Buster bombs that are getting old?
    Could be.
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    The FBI does not have jurisdiction over foreign intelligence gathering, but it regularly passes information along to the CIA if it is relevant to the organization.

    The CIA declined to comment.
    Maybe it's time the two agencies started talking to each other?



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Maybe it's time the two agencies started talking to each other?
    Or time they stopped colluding.
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    Their embassy has a pool? Optical illusion?
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Who Ordered The CIA To Assault North Korea's Embassy In Spain?

    Did John Bolton, President Trump's national security advisor, order an assault on the North Korean embassy in Spain to get an advantage in the nuclear talks? On February 22 … A group of men entered North Korea's embassy in Madrid, bound and gagged staff, before driving off with stolen mobile phones and computers …

    Kim Hyok Chol was ambassador to Spain until September 2017 … The name Kim Hyok Chol sounds familiar. He recently was in the news when he led the North Korean delegation in the nuclear talks

    Kim Hyok Chol, a career diplomat from an elite North Korean family, made his international debut just a few weeks ago as Pyongyang’s new point man for nuclear negotiations. … [H]is appointment left a few people flipping through their files of cadres to find out more. Channel A News, a South Korean TV outlet, drew a circle around him in a video from a White House meeting between Trump and North Korean officials in January, asking who he was.

    People knew little about Kim Hyok Chol. The Bloomberg portrait of him appeared on February 22, the same day the embassy in Madrid was raided. The failed summit between Trump and Kim Jong-un in Hanoi was on February 27-28. Kim Hyok Chol was a core person in the 'denuclearization' talks but little was known of him.

    The embassy raid was no normal thievery. There were eight people in the embassy when it was raided at 3:00 PM local time. They were bound, bags were put over their heads and some were interrogated. The thieves left with computer hardware and the cellphones of the personnel.

    It now appears that the CIA was involved in the embassy raid. El Pais reports:
    Investigators from the Spanish police and National Intelligence Center (CNI) have linked an attack on the North Korean embassy in Madrid on February 22 to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
    At least two of the 10 assailants who broke into the embassy and interrogated diplomatic staff have been identified and have connections to the US secret service. The CIA has denied any involvement …
    Investigators from the General Information Office (CGI) and CNI ruled out the idea that the attack was the work of common criminals. The operation was perfectly planned as if it were carried out by a “military cell,” … The assailants knew what they were looking for, taking only computers and mobile phones. … Sources believe that the goal of the attack on the North Korean embassy was to get information on Kim Hyok Chol, the former North Korean ambassador to Spain.

    The Spanish language version of the El Pais report has additional details :
    After analyzing the recordings of the security cameras in the area, … Although the majority were Koreans, at least two of them have been recognized by the Spanish information services for their links with the American CIA. …

    The indications … point to the US espionage service, in probable cooperation with that of South Korea, … Spanish interlocutors have contacted the CIA to ask for explanations. The response was negative, but "unconvincing" …

    The Spanish version also includes a side-box with further details of the raid:
    One of the darkest aspects of the assault on the North Korean Embassy in Madrid is the interrogation … The head of the commando separated the diplomat from the rest of the hostages and locked himself alone with him. … the current head of the Pyongyang delegation in Madrid probably knows a lot about Kim Hyok Chol, head of the North Korean delegation in the nuclear negotiations …

    A U.S. raid of a foreign embassy in a third country is a diplomatic affront that will have consequences. …

    In 2005 a court in Italy ordered the arrest of 18 CIA agents who abducted an Imam off the streets of Milan to torture him in Egypt and elsewhere.

    The Spanish services seem to suspect that the sole point was to get information on Kim Hyok Chol. That may well be though I suspect that an attempt to find North Korea's diplomatic encryption codes was part of the task. … What is very unusual is the brute force way in which this was done. Was this thought to intimidate North Korea?

    Last edited by AZJoe; 04-18-2019 at 09:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Smooth move MAGA.
    The CIA has been an agency practicing as an independent contractor since WWII. Their rogue actions and defiant self governance CANNOT be blamed on anyone but the CIA it's self. They are loyal to no one but themselves, not even this nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    The CIA has been an agency practicing as an independent contractor since WWII. Their rogue actions and defiant self governance CANNOT be blamed on anyone but the CIA it's self. They are loyal to no one but themselves, not even this nation.
    The CIA may have the means to act outside of the chain of command leading up to the president. But that doesn't change the fact that much, if not most, of what they do is fully under his authority. And Trump, like every president before him, may have hated the CIA when it acted outside his authority, but he wouldn't ever want to lose the power to use it as a tool for his own ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The CIA may have the means to act outside of the chain of command leading up to the president. But that doesn't change the fact that much, if not most, of what they do is fully under his authority. And Trump, like every president before him, may have hated the CIA when it acted outside his authority, but he wouldn't ever want to lose the power to use it as a tool for his own ends.
    Nope... They have been acting without any loyalties to ANYONE since WWII unless "they" choose too themselves. If they have any loyalties at all it would be only with the MIC and the Global Bankers. Period.



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    CIA Blames Its Proxy For Its Raid On North Korea's Embassy In Spain

    The CIA is the main suspect in the military style raid on the North Korean embassy in Madrid. …The Spanish report in which Spanish government sources accuse the CIA said:
    At least two of the 10 assailants who broke into the embassy and interrogated diplomatic staff have been identified and have connections to the US intelligence agency. The CIA has denied any involvement but government sources say their response was “unconvincing.”

    That the CIA is the main suspect in the assault was reported on Wednesday in the Spanish mainstream paper El Pais. The paper made the extra effort to publish an abbreviated English language version. …

    Attacking a foreign embassy in a third country is far out of bounce of international law and diplomatic decency. …

    the favorite CIA outlet, the Washington Post [writes] It wasn't the CIA which did it… it was a CIA controlled 'regime change' organization. -
    A shadowy group trying to overthrow Kim Jong Un raided a North Korean embassy in broad daylight
    In broad daylight, masked assailants infiltrated North Korea’s embassy in Madrid, restrained the staff with rope, stole computers and mobile phones, and fled the scene in two luxury vehicles.
    The group behind the late February operation is known as Cheollima Civil Defense, a secretive dissident organization committed to overthrowing the Kim dynasty, people familiar with the planning and execution of the mission told The Washington Post. …
    People familiar with the incident say the group did not act in coordination with any governments. U.S. intelligence agencies would have been especially reluctant to do so given the sensitive timing and brazen nature of the mission. …

    The CIA agents, led by torture queen Gina Haspel, are snowflakes who would never break the law or cause some international outrage. It must have been some independent group:
    Any hint of U.S. involvement in an assault on a diplomatic compound could have derailed the talks, a prospect the CIA would likely be mindful of.

    Derailing the talks was (and is) exactly what Trump's National Security Advisor John Bolton wanted to do. We know that because the Post reported it on February 20, two days before the raid on the embassy and seven days before the Trump-Kim summit in Hanoi … Tasking the CIA to raid a North Korean embassy to spoil the talks is exactly a thing John Bolton would do. The Post's shameful attempt to make believe otherwise is laughable:…

    The agency declined to comment.

    We can of course fully believe the 'former' CIA analyst's assertion that the CIA would never do such a thing. Aside from Bolton's urge to sabotage the negotiations it would have had no motive. Except, of course, it would have had many:
    Experts say the computers and phones seized in the raid amount to a treasure trove of information that foreign intelligence agencies are likely to seek out from the group. …

    North Korean ambassador Kim Hyok Chol … is now the leader of the negotiations with the United States. To know everything about him is important. He may even be susceptible to blackmail:
    The assailants also possess a video recording they took during the raid, which they could release anytime ...

    The Spanish language version of the El Pais report had a side box that might explain the possible content of a video:
    One of the darkest aspects of the assault on the North Korean Embassy in Madrid is the interrogation to which the head of the command, who called himself The Entrepreneur, subjected the charge of business, leading the diplomatic delegation since the ambassador was expelled. The head of the commando separated the diplomat from the rest of the hostages and locked himself alone with him. It is not known what he intended, but the current head of the Pyongyang delegation in Madrid probably knows a lot about Kim Hyok Chol, head of the North Korean delegation in the nuclear negotiations before the US, with whom he coincided when the latter was ambassador in Madrid, between 2014 and 2017.

    Mentioning a video recording taken during the raid is supposed to sow 'fear and doubt' in and about the North Korean negotiator. …

    The 'former' CIA analyst in the Post piece 'predicts' that there will be more 'embassy raid' operations: …
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