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    Law of Moses Says Girls Must Marry Their Rapist, So Can Devout Jews Uphold US Laws?

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    Law of Moses Says Girls Must Marry Their Rapist, So Can Devout Jews Uphold Constitution and US Laws?


    The question has been asked, can an elected US Representative who happens to be Muslim be faithful to an oath to uphold the US Constitution? That is because some insist that Sharia Law and the Constitution are incompatible. The kerfuffle arose most recently when Fox News commentator Jeanine Pirro was taken to task for suggesting that because Rep. Ilhan Omar was Muslim, she could not be faithful to her oath to uphold the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land.


    Pirro said:


    "Is her adherence to this Islamic doctrine indicative of her adherence to Sharia law, which is in itself antithetical to the U.S. Constitution?"


    The simple answer to this would be to merely point at the many Muslim majority countries which have long histories of secular government and law. If being a Muslim and secular law were incompatible, these types of countries would not exist.


    Turkey, Indonesia, Kosovo, and Albania are a few examples of Muslim majority states that do not practice Sharia Law. Indonesia, although it has the world's largest Muslim population, recognizes six official religions.


    Thus, the contention that a devout, practicing Muslim is fundamentally at odds with the US system of Constitutional law is false, and it equates all Muslims with the extremist elements which push for theocratic states whom, ironically, been funded and supported by the US and Israel as opponents to secular regimes such as that of Bashar al Assad's in Syria.


    But to delve into the question further, how many other religions could be interpreted to be fundamentally at odds with our familiar system of Constitutional and common law? Is a devout Jew who adheres to the Torah, in which the Law of Moses is described at great length as the supreme law of the "One God," in the same predicament?


    For example, among the 613 Commandments commonly accepted as emanating from the Hebrew Bible, the Torah, are the strictures:



    • The rapist must marry his victim if she is unwed — Deut. 22:29
    • Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
    • Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27
    • The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
    • Not to tattoo the skin — Lev. 19:28

    With respect to the stoning of an unmarried couple which have had sex, the book is very clear, at Deut. 22:23 and Deut. 22:24:


    "If there be a damsel that is a virgin betrothed unto a man, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die"
    Of course it would be ridiculous to say that all devout Jews favor the stoning of unmarried couples who have had sex. The fact is that all religions are subject to the interpretation of their adherents, more literal or less, more severe or less severe. If Sharia Law were the inevitable outcome of a Muslim majority or even a determined Muslim minority, then countries like Turkey would not exist. No one is getting stoned in Turkey or being forced to grow their beards.


    Where we do find such extremist interpretations, they are more often than not propagated by extremist radical factions which have their origins in US foreign meddling for the purpose of toppling legitimate secular governments, such as the Taliban in Afghanistan, an outgrowth of the Mujihadeen supported by the Carter administration, or ISIS in Syria.


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    Notice how the thread title reverses what the Law of Moses actually says. It doesn't require the woman who is raped to marry her rapist. It requires the rapist to marry her. The obligation is put on the criminal, not the victim. The assumption is that the woman and/or her father, who is responsible for her, agrees to it. In the ancient near eastern context, this is not as strange as it may sound to you, since it would generally be preferable to her remaining unmarried.

    And how does this have anything to do with being able to uphold US laws? Is there a law that prohibits marriage between a rapist and his victim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Notice how the thread title reverses what the Law of Moses actually says. It doesn't require the woman who is raped to marry her rapist. It requires the rapist to marry her. The obligation is put on the criminal, not the victim. The assumption is that the woman and/or her father, who is responsible for her, agrees to it. In the ancient near eastern context, this is not as strange as it may sound to you, since it would generally be preferable to her remaining unmarried.

    And how does this have anything to do with being able to uphold US laws? Is there a law that prohibits marriage between a rapist and his victim?
    You seem to know a bit about this.

    As for your point, it is a distinction without a difference. If the man must marry the girl then obviously the girl must marry him too. How about no one marrying anyone and the rapist going to jail?
    Last edited by James_Madison_Lives; 03-12-2019 at 01:14 PM.
    His name was Seth Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    You seem to know a bit about this.

    As for your point, it is a distinction without a difference. How about no one marrying anyone and the rapist going to jail?
    It is in the context of the current culture. When the "Law of Moses" came about, there was no child support. There was marriage. Married men were expected to support their families, and that was the only way to get a man on the hook. That makes a distinct difference.

    Whether or not a politician can rectify the letter of ancient laws with modern realities depends, I suppose, on how fundamentalist they are. And determining that is a job for the voters, in this country. I probably wouldn't endorse an evangelist for dog catcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    You seem to know a bit about this.

    As for your point, it is a distinction without a difference. If the man must marry the girl then obviously the girl must marry him too. How about no one marrying anyone and the rapist going to jail?
    The penitentiary system is pretty modern. In the old days it was the last or similarly quick punishment or execution. When something like this happened in a small village not many people had the heart to execute someone. No one except a psychopath wants that job.
    Last edited by RJB; 03-12-2019 at 04:00 PM. Reason: My spell check bout phone system instead of penitentiary system

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    If the man must marry the girl then obviously the girl must marry him too.
    That is not obvious to me. The text doesn't say that she has to if she doesn't want to, or if her father doesn't want her to. But if she and/or her father do want the rapist to take on the duty of caring for her and her children for the rest of his life as her husband, then the rapist is obligated to do so.

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    With respect to the stoning of an unmarried couple which have had sex, the book is very clear
    So the obvious workaround is to call it “rape”, and then the punishment is reduced to marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So the obvious workaround is to call it “rape”, and then the punishment is reduced to marriage.
    Reduced?


    I kid.



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    Parents are also required to stone their fat kids to death in public.

    No way would that work in America. There wold be no one left.
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