Reality Check: Rep. Omar’s Comments On Israel Were Not Anti-Semitic

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http://truthinmedia.com/reality-chec...-anti-semitic/

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Video link did not work for me yet, have not validated claim:

Trump’s former defense secretary made the same critiques of U.S.-Israel policy as Rep. Ilhan Omar — but the reaction was a lot different pic.twitter.com/3KQBm7200I

— NowThis (@nowthisnews) March 10, 2019




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[spudea]

except that's not the comments or statement she is being criticized for. Major fail from Ben Swann. Why didn't he share her twitter history?

[spudea]

Video link did not work for me yet, have not validated claim:



— NowThis (@nowthisnews) March 10, 2019

Please show where Mattis shares the same view that Americans are loyal to Israel due to lobbying dollars, or please delete the lies.

[Stratovarious]

I didn't see anything anti semitic and wtf cares anyway, the racism today is against White males.
Israel just uses this garbage to insure the billions keep flowing and their control of US warships
is theirs, as well as make sure that Israel's war crimes are ignored and don't hamper either.

[Stratovarious]

Please show where Mattis shares the same view that Americans are loyal to Israel due to lobbying dollars, or please delete the lies.

Cynthia McKinney , former Congresswoman.

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spudea, have not yet been able to watch tweet embedded video but this story is in MSM news now and a report/claim can very well be fakenews ( almost regular event in media lately). But even if it is a false claim, you cannot discuss it without knowing what the claim was. If you are certain it is a false claim, perhaps you can share her tweets that you believe were hate speech.
Criticism of a foreign country's policies (and its lobbies ) can be legit as long as there is not a collectivist view about all people of a religious/ethnic group etc. I have seen some some of her tweets so far and not convinved of hate speech content or intent.

[spudea]

spudea, have not yet been able to tweet embedded video but this story is is MSM news now and a report/claim can very well be fakenews ( almost regular event in media lately) but even if it is a false claim you cannot discuss it without knowing what the claim was. If you are certain it is a false claim, perhaps you can share her tweets that you believe were hate speech.
Criticism of a foreign country ( its lobbies ) can be legit as long as there is not a collectivist view about all people of a religious/ethnic group etc. I have seen some some of her tweets so far and not convinved of hate speech content or intent.

the video is of the same comments in the linked RFP thread that you posted, so you know the comments from Mattis do not equate to the comments of Omar as the linked tweet claims.

Omar's anti-Semitic comments are over a month old, Ben Swann completely ignores the complete history of her comments.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...-anti-semitism

If your not going to do the bare minimum of checking the information you are posting, please don't post. Or continue posting, I don't care, you just further reveal that you are not an objective person.

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Ok, assuming you have thoroughly cehcked all contents of WE link you posted. Can you point out which part specifically is hate speech/bigotry/anti-semitic so there are no assumptions?

Sometimes criticism of our closest ally Israel, its alleged war crimes against people of other races and its lobbies is wongly conflated with "bigoted speech" also and we should be able to distinguish between the two with examination of evidence behind such claims.


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[Brian4Liberty]

Here’s a very long and detailed explanation of the issue. If you read the entire article, despite all of the contortions and caveats to the contrary, the shortest summary would be that if you say anything negative about Israel, you are probably an anti Semite, and will be accused of it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-anti-semitism

[Swordsmyth]

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swordsmyth, where do you stand on the topic of this discussion, do you agree with ADL & Trump that IO's anti-Israel , lobbies money influence statements are 'anti-semitic'?

[spudea]

the shortest summary would be that if you say anything negative about Israel, you are probably an anti Semite, and will be accused of it.

That's not even close. She's not in hot water for criticizing Israel policy or actions, she's in hot water because her use of anti-Semitic tropes, i.e. Americans only support Israel because of Jewish money.

“The Jews have shown real genius in profiting by politics.” Adolf Hitler, 1922.
“Pro-Israel?, "It's all about the Benjamins, baby.” Rep. Omar, 2019.

[Swordsmyth]

swordsmyth, where do you stand on the topic of this discussion, do you agree with ADL & Trump that IO's anti-Israel , lobbies money influence statements are 'anti-semitic'?

I think she is anti-American and so is AIPAC.

[Swordsmyth]

That's not even close. She's not in hot water for criticizing Israel policy or actions, she's in hot water because her use of anti-Semitic tropes, i.e. Americans only support Israel because of Jewish money.

“The Jews have shown real genius in profiting by politics.” Adolf Hitler, 1922.
“Pro-Israel?, "It's all about the Benjamins, baby.” Rep. Omar, 2019.

But is her statement untrue?
Was Hitler's? (I DO NOT SUPPORT HITLER IN ANY WAY BUT THE DEVIL HIMSELF SPEAKS THE TRUTH FROM TIME TO TIME)

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I think she is anti-American and so is AIPAC.

But you also think all Dem Socialists, Hillary, Obama etc are 'anti-American' right?
But that is not the topic of this discussion and you can ignore this rhetorical question. Let me repeat the question that related to the topic of this discussion:

Do you agree with recent claims by ADL and others that IO's statements about Israel lobby's influence over US politicians are 'anti-semitic'?

[Swordsmyth]

But you also think all Dem Socialists, Hillary, Obama etc are 'anti-American' right?

She is more so than most.

But that is not the topic of this discussion and you can ignore this rhetorical question. Let me repeat the question that related to the topic of this discussion:

Do you agree with recent claims by ADL and others that IO's statements about Israel lobby's influence over US politicians are 'anti-semitic'?

I haven't seen all of her statements but I don't think some of them are, if I knew of any that were I would say so.

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I haven't seen all of her statements but I don't think some of them are, if I knew of any that were I would say so.

Ok, so you haven't seen any of her statements that were so. I haven't either.
Perhaps Trump & ADL more thorough readers than many of us here.

She is more so than most.

Ok, you must be infnormed enough to render such a graduated verdict. So if I may follow up on this to leverage your know how on this matter.

Do you view her to be more or less 'anti-American' than lobbies/billionaires like AIPAC/Sheldon Adelson who fund US politicians to influence US foreign policy on US taxpayers funded interventions, wars abroad?

[Swordsmyth]

Ok, you must be infnormed enough to render such a graduated verdict. So if I may follow up on this to leverage your know how on this matter.

Do you view her to be more or less 'anti-American' than lobbies/billionaires like AIPAC/Sheldon Adelson who fund US politicians to influence US foreign policy on US taxpayers funded interventions, wars abroad?

More, that is a high bar to exceed but I believe she manages it.

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Do you view her to be more or less 'anti-American' than lobbies/billionaires like AIPAC/Sheldon Adelson who fund US politicians to influence US foreign policy on US taxpayers funded interventions, wars abroad?

More, that is a high bar to exceed but I believe she manages it.

That is somewhat stunning assuming you have good knowledge of AIPAC type lobbies funding influence on US foreign interventions & wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya etc and its huge costs to Americans. And this view after reading only some of her statements, must be something really damning there in the statement that you did read.

[Swordsmyth]

That is somewhat stunning assuming you have good knowledge of AIPAC type lobbies funding influence on US foreign interventions & wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya etc and its huge costs to Americans. And this view after reading only some of her statements, must be something really damning there in the statement that you did read.

I didn't make an issue of who was "more anti-American", you did, and I said it was a "high bar to exceed", it is her connections to radical muslim groups that put her over the top, Israel wants to use America without regard for any damage they cause us but the radical muslims want to destroy us totally.

[Mach]

I think she is anti-American and so is AIPAC.

Good answer.......

[TheTexan]

You can tell by the hood she wears on her head that she is obviously anti-semitic.

And probably a terrorist.

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I didn't make an issue of who was "more anti-American", you did,..

These are your words, I was trying to clarify what standards were being used for such verdicts.

I think she is anti-American and so is AIPAC.

She is more so than most.

and I said it was a "high bar to exceed", it is her connections to radical muslim groups that put her over the top, Israel wants to use America without regard for any damage they cause us but the radical muslims want to destroy us totally.

What connections IO has.. care to share reliable MSM links?
Similar claims were made about first Islamic looking POTUS Barack Hussein Obama during Trump's birther movement days or before that ( https://www.conservapedia.com/Obama%27s_Religion ) but later the whole thing was sort of rolled back as if it were fakenews propaganda for politics. MAGA used to call Obama founding father of ISIS before winning election. AIPAC type lobbies made similar noise until Obama sent largest aid package to Israel & expanded mideast wars and sort of became good America-Firster in such lobbies' eyes.

AIPAC/Adelson supported Israel has connections to radical islam, reportedly may have been allied with Radical Islamist ISIS to stage US intervention inducing projects in Syria and elsewhere. Have not heard you criticize that ever here.

[Swordsmyth]

These are your words, I was trying to clarify what standards were being used for such verdicts.

My words in response to YOUR QUESTION.
YOU brought up the trivial question of who is more anti-American.

What connections IO has.. care to share reliable MSM links?

Ilhan Omar to Keynote CAIR Fundraiser in Southern California

Similar claims were made about first Islamic looking POTUS Barack Hussein Obama during Trump's birther movement days or before that ( https://www.conservapedia.com/Obama%27s_Religion ) but later the whole thing was sort of rolled back as if it were fakenews propaganda for politics. MAGA used to call Obama founding father of ISIS before winning election. AIPAC type lobbies made similar noise until Obama sent largest aid package to Israel & expanded mideast wars and sort of became good America-Firster in such lobbies' eyes.

Those claims were true. O'Bummer even accidentally admitted to being a secret muslim.

AIPAC/Adelson supported Israel has connections to radical islam, reportedly may have been allied with Radical Islamist ISIS to stage US intervention inducing projects in Syria and elsewhere. Have not heard you criticize that ever here.

Then you have a short memory, I have criticized Israel's support of islamic terrorists in order to manipulate the US and give itself an excuse for attacking its neighbors many times.

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except that's not the comments or statement she is being criticized for. Major fail from Ben Swann. Why didn't he share her twitter history?

Which tweets did he miss?

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None of those PACs are lobbyists for a foreign State.

Unlike AIPAC which took over the role of the American Zionist Council after it was ordered by the DOJ to register as a foreign agent.

[Swordsmyth]

None of those PACs are lobbyists for a foreign State.

Unlike AIPAC which took over the role of the American Zionist Council after it was ordered by the DOJ to register as a foreign agent.

CAIR is a PAC for a foreign culture that is intent on conquering America.
The others are dedicated to destroying America so I don't see that them being domestic makes them any better.

[Brian4Liberty]

That's not even close. She's not in hot water for criticizing Israel policy or actions, she's in hot water because her use of anti-Semitic tropes, i.e. Americans only support Israel because of Jewish money.

“The Jews have shown real genius in profiting by politics.” Adolf Hitler, 1922.
“Pro-Israel?, "It's all about the Benjamins, baby.” Rep. Omar, 2019.

I was talking about the gist of the entire article. If a hypothetical person says something negative about Israel, “you are probably an anti-Semite and will be accused of it”, according to the article. But to go further, the sense of the article is that if a person says anything negative as a generalization about Jewish people, they are definitely an anti-Semite.

I’m not sure that Omar made any generalizations, other than to quote a song lyric, which creates the possibility that a tweet is intended to be humorous, clever or flippant. No doubt if given the chance, she would be happy to give reasons other than “Benjamins”. And back to the article, the author would no doubt say that such a discussion would be anti-Semitic. I believe there was another, much early tweet other than the “Benjamins” lyric quote from Omar though. Don’t remember what it said.

As to whether discussions of PACs and how much money they spend, is that an allowable discussion in a free society? Is “follow the money” now an anti-Semitic trope? And on the other side of the equation, is it allowable to take into account Rep. Omar’s background and motivations?

[juleswin]

swordsmyth, where do you stand on the topic of this discussion, do you agree with ADL & Trump that IO's anti-Israel , lobbies money influence statements are 'anti-semitic'?

Swordshill doesn't like it when someone critcizes Israel. Don't you know his daddy supports Israel 1000% and that is why he supports him