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    Bernie Sanders pitches progressive track record to New Hampshire voters

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/03...pshire-voters/

    Presidential hopeful cites his then-‘radical’ 2016 platform

    PUBLISHED: March 10, 2019 at 8:48 pm | UPDATED: March 10, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    CONCORD, N.H. — Bernie Sanders — undaunted by President Trump’s plan to attack Democratic “socialism” — launched his New Hampshire campaign Sunday insisting that his “radical” ideas from the run-up to 2016 are right for 2020, embraced “across the board” by his party’s candidates now.

    Among a field of like-minded Democrats vying for a chance to unseat Trump in the 2020 election, Sanders is trying to win potential voters on the idea that he was the first to advocate for those progressive ideals.

    “Those ideas that we talked about four years ago that seemed so very radical at that time, well, today, virtually all of those ideas are supported by a majority of the American people and have overwhelming support from Democrats and independents,” Sanders told hundreds of rallygoers in the ballroom of a Concord hotel in his first return to the Granite State since announcing his second run. “They’re ideas that Democratic candidates all across the board are supporting.”

    Sanders picked up where he left off during his last run for president, wagging his finger at wage inequalities, the nation’s top one percent of earners, advocating for free tuition and universal health care — and condemning the superdelegate system within the Democratic National Convention, which helped Hillary Clinton lock the nomination in 2016. The DNC voted last August to limit their powers and not allow their votes on the first ballot.

    Sanders supporters hadn’t forgotten Sunday that their candidate didn’t receive delegations of certain states like West Virginia, despite winning every county, in the 2016 primary.

    “I won’t donate at all to the Democratic party,” said Shaun Sutliff, 61, of Adams, Mass., who added that he’d only support the party if they completely ended the superdelegate system, which gives party officials, Democratic members of Congress and others a thumb on the scale in choosing the nominee. “I’ll donate directly to Bernie, absolutely, but not to the party.”

    Sutliff said the 77-year-old senator from Vermont has been consistent in his support for progressive reform and can break out in a field that includes other progressive leaders such as U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren. New Hampshire is seen as a must-win for both Warren and Sanders.

    “I have respect for Liz Warren, but Bernie’s been walking the walk and talking the talk longer than any of them,” said Sutliff. “He doesn’t filter what he says depending on the audience.”

    Carolyn Kegel, 23, of Concord, added that she has backed Sanders because he’s been the most vocal on progressive issues.

    “I think for me personally, he was the first candidate that really grabbed my attention and he was the first I heard speaking out on these things,” Kegel said. “Like he was saying, in 2016 his ideas were considered radical and nobody was really speaking about them. But he’s been quietly doing this work for a while and for me, that sort of longevity and history and record is really important.”

    In recent polling, Sanders leads the field of Democratic candidates who have announced, trailing only former Vice President Joe Biden, who hasn’t yet declared.

    Trump has begun his 2020 bid by condemning socialism and claiming that each Democratic candidate has moved closer and closer to its ideology. Cody Bowman, a 24-year-old undecided voter from Newmarket N.H. said a path to presidency for a candidate who identifies with socialism, such as Sanders, isn’t easy.

    “I think it’s difficult, for sure,” he said. “I think it’s possible, but it’s not the most conventional message in the United States. People hear ‘socialism’ and they kind of wig out.”



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    “Those ideas that we talked about four years ago that seemed so very radical at that time, well, today, virtually all of those ideas are supported by a majority of the American people and have overwhelming support from Democrats and independents,” Sanders told hundreds of rallygoers in the ballroom of a Concord hotel in his first return to the Granite State since announcing his second run.
    LOL
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    Bernie will set a record in vote getting there .
    Do something Danke

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    Healthcare is super expensive in the US, so if Bernie were able to make healthcare free that would be a huge cost savings for everybody.
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    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    I'm not laughing...he's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sanders picked up where he left off during his last run for president, wagging his finger at wage inequalities, the nation’s top one percent of earners...

    Sadly, this will go over well with some here.

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    Only running so he can buy himself a 4th house.
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    I guess people didn't bother to check out how Bernie sold out his base last time.
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    The inculcation of socialism through government mandated education has achieved it's goal of destroying America. It cannot get better, only worse, as each successive generation is brainwashed into the ideology.


    Exclusive poll: Young Americans are embracing socialism

    Generation Z has a more positive view of the word "socialism."

    https://www.axios.com/exclusive-poll...75f7edc4a.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I guess people didn't bother to check out how Bernie sold out his base last time.
    To many progressives, Hillary no matter how bad you think she is was seen as the much lesser evil than Trump. Using this rationale many pragmatic progressives like the pragmatic libertarians who now embrace Trump are going to forget what happened to them and support Bernie and his progressive policies. Its really that simple when you try and put yourself in their shoes.

    How many here forgave Trump for what he did to the movement and now support him? Even a flawed, judas Bernie is more progressive than Trump.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I guess people didn't bother to check out how Bernie sold out his base last time.
    He's spent his entire career as a sell out. Theres never been a Democratic nominee that he didn't endorse. If any of these other Democrats get the nomination over him, we know exactly what hes going to do.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 03-11-2019 at 12:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    To many progressives, Hillary no matter how bad you think she is was seen as the much lesser evil than Trump. Using this rationale many pragmatic progressives like the pragmatic libertarians who now embrace Trump are going to forget what happened to them and support Bernie and his progressive policies. Its really that simple when you try and put yourself in their shoes.

    How many here forgave Trump for what he did to the movement and now support him? Even a flawed, judas Bernie is more progressive than Trump.
    Pray tell me, what did President Trump do to the movement? You lost me there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    He's spent his entire career as a sell out. Theres never been a Democratic nominee that he didn't endorse.
    I absolutely agree. He didn't get his first pay check until he was 40. He has grifted his way through the political process for political gain, no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I absolutely agree. He didn't get his first pay check until he was 40. He has grifted his way through the political process for political gain, no doubt.
    He is quite literally to a T the definition of a career politician.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    He is quite literally to a T the definition of a career politician.
    Russian Collusion? Bernie spent his honeymoon in Soviet Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Pray tell me, what did President Trump do to the movement? You lost me there.
    While we were ridding high at CPAC, he came around to dismiss Ron Paul's ability to win also threatened to run third party if Ron Paul got the nomination. Imagine what would have happen had a man like Trump backed the movement? Technically, he was never a liberty person so I can't really say he backstabbed us. But he also gave money and support to Chuck Schummer, Clinton, Pelosi, Harry Reid etc etc all who have been working against the liberty movement but some of us were able to look beyond all of that and saw what he is offering now. if you asked me, I think he did worse to the Ron Paul movement than what Bernie did to the progressive movement.

    This is the same way pragmatic progressives will be able to forgive and forget what happened in 2016
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Russian Collusion? Bernie spent his honeymoon in Soviet Union.
    Idiot Millennial asks: "What's the Soviet Union?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    While we were ridding high at CPAC, he came around to dismiss Ron Paul's ability to win also threatened to run third party if Ron Paul got the nomination. Imagine what would have happen had a man like Trump backed the movement? Technically, he was never a liberty person so I can't really say he backstabbed us. But he also gave money and support to Chuck Schummer, Clinton, Pelosi, Harry Reid etc etc all who have been working against the liberty movement but some of us were able to look beyond all of that and saw what he is offering now. if you asked me, I think he did worse to the Ron Paul movement than what Bernie did to the progressive movement.

    This is the same way pragmatic progressives will be able to forgive and forget what happened in 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    AF coming to the rescue. Still looking for the video where he threatened to run third party if Ron Paul got the nomination. Had it saved on my youtube favorites but that video seems to have been removed by the poster.

    Big +rep to anyone who can post the link
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    While we were ridding high at CPAC, he came around to dismiss Ron Paul's ability to win also threatened to run third party if Ron Paul got the nomination. Imagine what would have happen had a man like Trump backed the movement? Technically, he was never a liberty person so I can't really say he backstabbed us. But he also gave money and support to Chuck Schummer, Clinton, Pelosi, Harry Reid etc etc all who have been working against the liberty movement but some of us were able to look beyond all of that and saw what he is offering now. if you asked me, I think he did worse to the Ron Paul movement than what Bernie did to the progressive movement.

    This is the same way pragmatic progressives will be able to forgive and forget what happened in 2016
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I think that was a bait and switch cover. Fred Trump was a Bircher and I believe President Trump knows what is going on and has for a very long time.

    I do not think Ron Paul had the temperament to deal with this political climate and his campaign taught a lot of people and made them wake up. Trump just bided his time. You cannot shut down a corrupted system over night and I believe Trump is striking, little by little, at the root.
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    Probably the strongest evidence that most Americans support Bernie's ideas is the fact that in 2016 both major parties nominated candidates to represent them who support Bernie's ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    He is quite literally to a T the definition of a career politician.
    Like Biden and Obama . It really is a Dem specialty . The graft runs so deep they never have to have a real job .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    Things can change quickly. In 2008, both Hillary and Obama were against gay marriage and Bush's wars. Never underestimate the swayability of large groups of people. The media is strong.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Things can change quickly. In 2008, both Hillary and Obama were against gay marriage and Bush's wars. Never underestimate the swayability of large groups of people. The media is strong.
    I understand but I also understand that Bernie is part of the propaganda, he is using the old trick of claiming that they have already won to demoralize us and get bandwagon jumpers to join "the winning team", the vast majority of Americans may not be liberty oriented enough but the outright commies like Bernie don't have a majority on their side.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Probably the strongest evidence that most Americans support Bernie's ideas is the fact that in 2016 both major parties nominated candidates to represent them who support Bernie's ideas.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The inculcation of socialism through government mandated education has achieved it's goal of destroying America. It cannot get better, only worse, as each successive generation is brainwashed into the ideology.


    Exclusive poll: Young Americans are embracing socialism

    Generation Z has a more positive view of the word "socialism."

    https://www.axios.com/exclusive-poll...75f7edc4a.html
    Don't let the propaganda get to you.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm not laughing...he's right.
    I disagree.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Sadly, this will go over well with some here.
    The left is often correct when they identify a problem, they just always have the wrong solution, the 1% and the .1% and the .01% and the .001% have stolen far more than their fair share to an ever greater degree ever since the creation of the Fed followed by the complete elimination of the gold standard and then ZIRP but the correct solution is to decrease government not increase it.

    The trade wars are another matter entirely but they have been used by the rich and powerful to steal from everyone else too.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I disagree.
    We'll see, I suppose.

    Just to be clear, I keep harping on this "freedom is not popular" theme for a two reasons:

    1 - I think too many of us operate in an echo chamber. I travel quite a bit and have contact with many people from all around the country and world. "Our" principles and philosophy is a tiny minority. Apathy, ignorance and collectivism is the norm.

    2 - To poke and prod the remnant into understanding just how precarious our condition is, and to make plans "outside the box" for our literal, life and death, survival.

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