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    Stossel: Bad Laws Cause Homeless Crisis

    February 2019


    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    There always was, and there always will be homeless people.
    There is, and there always will be, poor people.
    His Name was Seth Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    There always was, and there always will be homeless people.
    There is, and there always will be, poor people.
    "The poor ye have always with you"

    But some policies increase their numbers while others reduce them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "The poor ye have always with you"

    But some policies increase their numbers while others reduce them.
    There will always be a floor, though. I met many, many, many homeless. Shelters aren't the answer. Nothing is.

    And America has a relatively low number of homeless people. Lots of that due to Socialist Policies.

    However, I am starting to wonder about the benefits. It is still very hard for me to justify an able bodied man, who will not work, or putting to work somebody is neither able or mentally capable (as in retarded), to work. And if a near retarded man can sort bolts in a shipyard, then a depressed or bi-polar guy can too.

    But to point to America's homeless, and cry "shame!" is kind of silly to me. Lots of homeless people prefer it, in a strange sort of way. I mean they have their shacks, far away, their "friend" in whatever town they hadn't burned all the bridges but one. Some homeless, IMHO, are beyond redemption. Death will take them soon enough. And nobody will cry at their funeral, I guarantee it. Stray cat incineration.

    There is already so much help for homeless people. Tons of it. Many of them require rules about drugs. Because let's face it, drugs and alcohol destroy people. Even those that do not require rules, still often go unused. And then there are the places that have absolutely had to ban people for being very violent. I saw violent crazy $#@! at Occupy, and none of it was political.* It was all a bunch of protesters throwing a party for a bunch of people who were "family" that hated each other, and hated their situation, and most of all hated themselves because they lived in the world they hated. Some days (a couple?) had over 10 fights.

    I met a bunch of other homeless too. All sorts. I met some people you would never guess. Very clean cut, lived in a well regulated tent city. Yeah, that guy quit his job and became homeless, rather than pay alimony and child support, IIRC.



    *In three months, I would say I saw about 100 fights. Only one I remember was political, and it was over someone hanging the American Flag over the camp, and somebody else tore it down.
    Last edited by UWDude; 03-09-2019 at 10:17 PM.
    His Name was Seth Rich.

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    Homeless people are not even allowed in the next county over from me . There is very little of that here . They could go off in the woods on govt land and live evidently without being found which must be where they are. Around here anyone wants to eat is going to work , nobody gives a $#@! about your mental illnesses .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    There will always be a floor, though. I met many, many, many homeless. Shelters aren't the answer. Nothing is.

    And America has a relatively low number of homeless people. Lots of that due to Socialist Policies.

    However, I am starting to wonder about the benefits. It is still very hard for me to justify an able bodied man, who will not work, or putting to work somebody is neither able or mentally capable (as in retarded), to work. And if a near retarded man can sort bolts in a shipyard, then a depressed or bi-polar guy can too.

    But to point to America's homeless, and cry "shame!" is kind of silly to me. Lots of homeless people prefer it, in a strange sort of way. I mean they have their shacks, far away, their "friend" in whatever town they hadn't burned all the bridges but one. Some homeless, IMHO, are beyond redemption. Death will take them soon enough. And nobody will cry at their funeral, I guarantee it. Stray cat incineration.

    There is already so much help for homeless people. Tons of it. Many of them require rules about drugs. Because let's face it, drugs and alcohol destroy people. Even those that do not require rules, still often go unused. And then there are the places that have absolutely had to ban people for being very violent. I saw violent crazy $#@! at Occupy, and none of it was political.* It was all a bunch of protesters throwing a party for a bunch of people who were "family" that hated each other, and hated their situation, and most of all hated themselves because they lived in the world they hated. Some days (a couple?) had over 10 fights.

    I met a bunch of other homeless too. All sorts. I met some people you would never guess. Very clean cut, lived in a well regulated tent city. Yeah, that guy quit his job and became homeless, rather than pay alimony and child support, IIRC.



    *In three months, I would say I saw about 100 fights. Only one I remember was political, and it was over someone hanging the American Flag over the camp, and somebody else tore it down.
    That is the most lucid post I have ever read from you. Very well said.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    There will always be a floor, though. I met many, many, many homeless. Shelters aren't the answer. Nothing is.

    And America has a relatively low number of homeless people. Lots of that due to Socialist Policies.

    However, I am starting to wonder about the benefits. It is still very hard for me to justify an able bodied man, who will not work, or putting to work somebody is neither able or mentally capable (as in retarded), to work. And if a near retarded man can sort bolts in a shipyard, then a depressed or bi-polar guy can too.

    But to point to America's homeless, and cry "shame!" is kind of silly to me. Lots of homeless people prefer it, in a strange sort of way. I mean they have their shacks, far away, their "friend" in whatever town they hadn't burned all the bridges but one. Some homeless, IMHO, are beyond redemption. Death will take them soon enough. And nobody will cry at their funeral, I guarantee it. Stray cat incineration.

    There is already so much help for homeless people. Tons of it. Many of them require rules about drugs. Because let's face it, drugs and alcohol destroy people. Even those that do not require rules, still often go unused. And then there are the places that have absolutely had to ban people for being very violent. I saw violent crazy $#@! at Occupy, and none of it was political.* It was all a bunch of protesters throwing a party for a bunch of people who were "family" that hated each other, and hated their situation, and most of all hated themselves because they lived in the world they hated. Some days (a couple?) had over 10 fights.

    I met a bunch of other homeless too. All sorts. I met some people you would never guess. Very clean cut, lived in a well regulated tent city. Yeah, that guy quit his job and became homeless, rather than pay alimony and child support, IIRC.



    *In three months, I would say I saw about 100 fights. Only one I remember was political, and it was over someone hanging the American Flag over the camp, and somebody else tore it down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    That is the most lucid post I have ever read from you. Very well said.
    I agree!

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    Some people are homeless because they choose that lifestyle. They don't want to have to deal with paying bills.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 03-10-2019 at 11:24 AM.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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    Supreme Court confronts homeless crisis and whether there's a right to sleep on the sidewalk

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court meets Friday to consider for the first time whether the Constitution gives homeless people a right to sleep on the sidewalk.

    The justices are weighing an appeal of a much-disputed ruling by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that held last year that it was cruel and unusual punishment to enforce criminal laws against homeless people who are living on the street if a city doesn’t offer enough shelters as an alternative.

    The appeals court’s opinion quoted Anatole France’s famous comment that “the law, in all its majestic equality, forbids the rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges,” and from there, it announced a principle of human rights to strike down city laws that “criminalize the simple act of sleeping outside on public property.”

    As precedent, Judge Marsha Berzon cited parts of a 1968 Supreme Court opinion in which several justices questioned whether “chronic alcoholics” may be punished for being drunk in public if they cannot control themselves.
    “This principle compels the conclusion that the Eighth Amendment prohibits the imposition of criminal penalties for sitting, sleeping or lying outside on public property for homeless individuals who cannot obtain shelter,” she wrote for the three-judge panel. She described the ruling as “narrow … That is, so long as there no option of sleeping indoors, the government cannot criminalize indigent, homeless people for sleeping outdoors on public property.”
    The dissenters — and officials in California and the other eight western states covered by the 9th Circuit’s jurisdiction — said the ruling was anything but narrow.
    The ruling “shackles the hands of public officials trying to redress the serious societal concern of homelessness,” dissenting Judge Milan Smith wrote.
    Unless they can provide shelter for all, “local governments are forbidden from enforcing laws restricting sleeping and camping,” he said. “City officials will be powerless to assist residents lodging valid complaints about the health and safety of their neighborhoods.”
    Los Angeles and many other cities have asked the court to take up the case. The 9th Circuit has jurisdiction in nine western states from Alaska to Arizona.
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    There will always be a floor, though. I met many, many, many homeless. Shelters aren't the answer. Nothing is.

    And America has a relatively low number of homeless people. Lots of that due to Socialist Policies.

    However, I am starting to wonder about the benefits. It is still very hard for me to justify an able bodied man, who will not work, or putting to work somebody is neither able or mentally capable (as in retarded), to work. And if a near retarded man can sort bolts in a shipyard, then a depressed or bi-polar guy can too.

    But to point to America's homeless, and cry "shame!" is kind of silly to me. Lots of homeless people prefer it, in a strange sort of way. I mean they have their shacks, far away, their "friend" in whatever town they hadn't burned all the bridges but one. Some homeless, IMHO, are beyond redemption. Death will take them soon enough. And nobody will cry at their funeral, I guarantee it. Stray cat incineration.

    There is already so much help for homeless people. Tons of it. Many of them require rules about drugs. Because let's face it, drugs and alcohol destroy people. Even those that do not require rules, still often go unused. And then there are the places that have absolutely had to ban people for being very violent. I saw violent crazy $#@! at Occupy, and none of it was political.* It was all a bunch of protesters throwing a party for a bunch of people who were "family" that hated each other, and hated their situation, and most of all hated themselves because they lived in the world they hated. Some days (a couple?) had over 10 fights.

    I met a bunch of other homeless too. All sorts. I met some people you would never guess. Very clean cut, lived in a well regulated tent city. Yeah, that guy quit his job and became homeless, rather than pay alimony and child support, IIRC.



    *In three months, I would say I saw about 100 fights. Only one I remember was political, and it was over someone hanging the American Flag over the camp, and somebody else tore it down.

    I've been thinking if prisoners can work making whatever it is they make there, license plates, then you can paint fire hydrants, or curbs different colors, red, yellow, blue, etc...do something, nothing is free.
    Where is John Galt?


    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)



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