Starting in 2021, Americans will need to register to travel to EU

[Swordsmyth]

Americans will need to register online and pay a fee before traveling to Europe starting in 2021.
U.S. nationals crossing the pond will need a passport and a credit or debit card to apply for a European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS) permit.
The travel authorizations are valid for three years and an unlimited number of entries.

More at: https://thehill.com/policy/internati...o-travel-to-eu

[Pauls' Revere]

But millions of refugees don't? Huh?

[Swordsmyth]

But millions of refugees don't? Huh?

#WhiteGenocide

[invisible]

invaders!
socialists!
communists!
criminals!
rapists!
terrorists!
anarchists!
leftists!
welfare leeches!

more biometrics!
more government!
more eminent domain!
walls!
culture police!
track and spy on everyone!

I remember when Ron Paul talked about the importance of having a free and open society, and setting the example for other countries to follow.
karma

[Swordsmyth]

invaders!
socialists!
communists!
criminals!
rapists!
terrorists!
anarchists!
leftists!
welfare leeches!

more biometrics!
more government!
more eminent domain!
walls!
culture police!
track and spy on everyone!

I remember when Ron Paul talked about the importance of having a free and open society, and setting the example for other countries to follow.
karma

I remember when he talked about securing our borders and controlling who came here.

[invisible]

I remember when he talked about securing our borders and controlling who came here.

Yes. Without inflamatory collectivist language, and without an expansion of government and the police state. He spoke about it in a civil manner that was respectful of other peoples and cultures.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes. Without inflamatory collectivist language, and without an expansion of government and the police state. He spoke about it in a civil manner that was respectful of other peoples and cultures.

"No Visas from terrorist nations", that sounds "inflammatory" and "collectivist" by your standards and he absolutely called for increased border security and the tracking and expulsion of Visa overstays, is that an "expansion of government" and the "police state"?

[invisible]

"No Visas from terrorist nations", that sounds "inflammatory" and "collectivist" by your standards and he absolutely called for increased border security and the tracking and expulsion of Visa overstays, is that an "expansion of government" and the "police state"?

When a terrorist organization announces that they want to attack the US, not letting people come in from that country is wise policy for providing a strong national defense. Nothing inflammatory or collectivist there at all. Enforcing existing immigration laws can be done without furthering the police state or expansion of government. Removing "incentives" for illegal immigration is part of shrinking government that should be done anyways. Ron Paul spoke extensively about how anything beyond that is both destructive to our freedom, and isolationist. He spoke extensively about engaging constructively with the rest of the world as a means of exporting freedom and democracy by leading and providing an example, rather than at the point of a gun. Being tough on immigration, having secure borders, and providing for a strong national defense can be accomplished without the hate and fear-mongering, this was absolutely part of Ron Paul's platform. What happens when the rest of the world decides that all Americans are "invaders", "socialist", "communists", "welfare leeches", "anarchists", "criminals", "rapists", etc, etc, etc? Is this really what we want to sow, and thus reap? Ron Paul spoke extensively that our policy towards the rest of the world should be the golden rule.

[Swordsmyth]

When a terrorist organization announces that they want to attack the US, not letting people come in from that country is wise policy for providing a strong national defense. Nothing inflammatory or collectivist there at all.

Really?
Tarring the entire country with the terrorist brush because of a few individuals isn't "collectivist" or "inflammatory"?
I'll be sure to remember that when I call other countries socialist hellholes that we don't want to accept any immigrants from.
Thanks.

Enforcing existing immigration laws can be done without furthering the police state and expansion of government.

Ron said we should enforce existing immigration laws, so I guess he wants to further the police state or expansion of government, I agree with him.

Removing "incentives" for illegal immigration is part of shrinking government that should be done anyways. Ron Paul spoke extensively about how anything beyond that is both destructive to our freedom, and isolationist. He spoke extensively about engaging constructively with the rest of the world as a means of exporting freedom and democracy by leading and providing an example, rather than at the point of a gun. Being tough on immigration, having secure borders, and providing for a strong national defense can be accomplished without the hate and fear-mongering, this was absolutely part of Ron Paul's platform.

You must have some active measures and Ron advocated for active measures, you can't and don't want to remove the most important natural incentives, they actually grow if we enact any of Ron's platform.

What happens when the rest of the world decides that all Americans are "invaders", "socialist", "communists", "welfare leeches", "anarchists", "criminals", "rapists", etc, etc, etc? Is this really what we want to sow, and thus reap? Ron Paul spoke extensively that our policy towards the rest of the world should be the golden rule.

If we don't invade them and impose socialism/communism on them or leech off their welfare systems or try to cause anarchy or commit crimes and rape their women then we won't need to worry about that, if we do any of those things then we will deserve what we get until we change.

[invisible]

Please do not continue the dishonesty of claiming that I said the opposite of what I said. My words are plain enough, and so are Ron Paul's. Enjoy your evening.

[Swordsmyth]

Please do not continue the dishonesty of claiming that I said the opposite of what I said. My words are plain enough, and so are Ron Paul's. Enjoy your evening.

LOL

[TheTexan]

Good. I don't want to visit their stupid country either.

[Swordsmyth]

Please do not continue the dishonesty of claiming that I said the opposite of what I said. My words are plain enough, and so are Ron Paul's. Enjoy your evening.

I see the one part I misread and will alter my response:

Originally Posted by invisible

Enforcing existing immigration laws can be done without furthering the police state and expansion of government.

Good, then we need to enforce them.

[Zippyjuan]

Americans will need to register online and pay a fee before traveling to Europe starting in 2021.
U.S. nationals crossing the pond will need a passport and a credit or debit card to apply for a European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS) permit.
The travel authorizations are valid for three years and an unlimited number of entries.

More at: https://thehill.com/policy/internati...o-travel-to-eu

How dare a country restrict who can enter! (US restrictions are even tighter).

[Swordsmyth]

How dare a country restrict who can enter! (US restrictions are even tighter).

If you think I object you are sadly mistaken.