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    Thumbs down Justin Amash Votes in Support of Illegal Immigrantís Right To Vote

    Michigan House Representative Justin Amash was the sole Republican to vote against legislation saying that allowing illegal immigrants to vote takes power away from American citizens.
    Today the U.S. House defeated a move that would have expressed ďthe sense of Congress that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of United States citizens.Ē
    The legislation was defeated nearly along party lines, with six Democrats voting in favor, and Rep. Justin Amash voting against it.

    More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/princi...right-to-vote/
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    WTF?

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    WTF?
    Ditto.

    Amash: I defend #liberty and explain every vote on Facebook.

    I'm not seeing the explanation yet.
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    I don't know what reasons he'll give for this. But I have seen Amash in the past refuse to play these games where Congress passes meaningless nonbinding resolutions like this.

    But also, just considering the intent behind it, it seems like it was designed to castigate localities allowing undocumented immigrants to vote in school board elections, and things like that, in response to San Francisco doing that. If this were an actual law threatening federal action against those localities to stop them from being able to their own laws in matters like that, forcing them instead to let the federal government decide their local laws for them, then it would be wrong to support that law. Amash may be showing that he takes that position by also voting against this nonbinding resolution. And I think it's noteworthy that all these tough sounding Republicans who want to portray themselves as immigration hawks by voting for this nonbinding resolution didn't choose to go that route instead and actually try to pass a real law.

    Again, I can't speak for Amash, but I admire giving the middle finger to all those symbolism-before-substance Republican do-nothings.

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    I can't find the actual text of the resolution in question. The roll-call was for a motion to recommit with instructions, supposedly for the purpose of adding an amendment with that resolution, but there was no vote on the amendment itself. So I'm not sure if the text of the resolution is even available anywhere official. If someone can find it, and explain how they got to it, that would be great.

    But, in looking for it, I saw that a similar (if not identical) resolution was already passed last fall. And Amash voted against that one too. Interestingly, and not surprisingly, that previous resolution passed overwhelmingly and received yea votes from a whole slew of Democrats who voted with their party against this motion to recommit.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...tion/1071/text

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    WTF?
    It's meaningless "Sense if the Congress" jack off posturing, and Amash is clearly not prepared to say the Congress has any sense.

    *yawn*
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    It’s purely a posturing and virtue signaling vote. Apparently it worked by getting most Democrats to reverse their vote from the previous time it came up. Abstaining from these votes would be perfectly reasonable.
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    Our country is going to hell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I don't know what reasons he'll give for this. But I have seen Amash in the past refuse to play these games where Congress passes meaningless nonbinding resolutions like this.

    But also, just considering the intent behind it, it seems like it was designed to castigate localities allowing undocumented immigrants to vote in school board elections, and things like that, in response to San Francisco doing that. If this were an actual law threatening federal action against those localities to stop them from being able to their own laws in matters like that, forcing them instead to let the federal government decide their local laws for them, then it would be wrong to support that law. Amash may be showing that he takes that position by also voting against this nonbinding resolution. And I think it's noteworthy that all these tough sounding Republicans who want to portray themselves as immigration hawks by voting for this nonbinding resolution didn't choose to go that route instead and actually try to pass a real law.

    Again, I can't speak for Amash, but I admire giving the middle finger to all those symbolism-before-substance Republican do-nothings.
    Maybe the Republicans are right to condemn this garbage but also right not to interfere in what is a state or local issue.

    Amash is wrong.
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    Voting is a god-given right given to every American.

    If illegals want the right to vote they should earn it the same way all of us did: by being born here.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Voting is a god-given right given to every American.

    If illegals want the right to vote they should earn it the same way all of us did: by being born here.
    They can vote in their home countries or they can follow our rules about how to get citizenship.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They can vote in their home countries or they can follow our rules about how to get citizenship.
    /\ /\ /\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They can vote in their home countries or they can follow our rules about how to get citizenship.
    Without rules, it would be just anarchy.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Without rules, it would be just anarchy.
    Which would be replaced by tyranny.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Which would be replaced by tyranny.
    Is it not the same thing?
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Is it not the same thing?
    As what?
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Is it not the same thing?
    Not really, but it will eventually lead to that, people will be looking for 'protection' .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Not really, but it will eventually lead to that, people will be looking for 'protection' .
    Security for Freedom, what's the saying , ''....they will get nor deserve neither'' , I think it might have been
    Benji, someone like that/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Amash is wrong.
    Amash is not wrong to refuse to play when Congress commences wasting time posturing.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-10-2019 at 06:12 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Smash is not wrong to refuse to play when Congress commences wasting time posturing.
    He didn't abstain, he voted the wrong way.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    As what?
    Anarchy is just another way to say tyranny.

    Without rules, it would just be chaos & madness. Order and rules are the only things that allow our lives to have meaning.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Anarchy is just another way to say tyranny.

    Without rules, it would just be chaos & madness. Order and rules are the only things that allow our lives to have meaning.
    Anarchy always leads to tyranny but it is not the same thing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Anarchy always leads to tyranny but it is not the same thing.
    And tyranny always leads to anarchy.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    And tyranny always leads to anarchy.
    True, but not so quickly as the other way.

    Catching the pendulum at secured liberty is extremely difficult and keeping it there is even harder, that is why we should not be so eager to give up what we have and gamble on anarchy.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    True, but not so quickly as the other way.

    Catching the pendulum at secured liberty is extremely difficult and keeping it there is even harder, that is why we should not be so eager to give up what we have and gamble on anarchy.
    Catching the pendulum isn't really even that hard. Just draft a constitution and call it a republic, problem solved. This is how America did it and look how great it worked for us.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Catching the pendulum isn't really even that hard. Just draft a constitution and call it a republic, problem solved. This is how America did it and look how great it worked for us.
    That is the basic idea but it is much more complicated, America was a reasonably good try building on lessons learned from past attempts.
    And look how it worked out, as you say.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And look how it worked out, as you say.
    Free'st country in the world. And with the lowest taxes (only 50%, compared to other countries' 55%-60%!)
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Free'st country in the world. And with the lowest taxes (only 50%!)
    Our overall level of freedom and cultural dedication to it is better than anywhere else but being king of the dunghill isn't enough, we need to move to a better neighborhood.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He didn't abstain, he voted the wrong way.
    Oh? Did it make any difference?

    Leave it to a partisan to get his panties in a knot over a symbolic vote that doesn't do one damned thing.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-11-2019 at 07:24 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

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