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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I guess the question is, does the Constitution prohibit the States from allowing non-citizens the local vote? If not, then that decision is reserved to the State.The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Well, if it's none of the business of Congress, they shouldn't have even had to vote on it.Yes, but that doesn't make it right and Congress condemning it isn't a violation of the 10thA.
It is wrong to allow them to vote at any level and it should be condemned.
That is true but it doesn't make it right.
Just because it is a power reserved for the states doesn't make it absolutely none of the business of Congress even to express an opinion about, state and local elections select officials who control the voting process in federal elections and allowing foreigners (and even illegals) to vote in them affects their integrity.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Congress does have the power to refuse to seat members and it should consider using that power against states that allow foreigners to vote and against states that allow practices like ballot "harvesting".
The resolution to condemn this should include a warning that they will do so.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
"Condemning is not harassing" -- until it is.
Look who's affecting the integrity of elections now.
If you don't like how our country is organized, then find one more in line with your ideas and stop trying to change America. We've gotten along fine with relatively DEcentralized power for our whole history.
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
Refusing to seat members from states that have destroyed the integrity of their election process isn't harassment either and insisting on election integrity doesn't undermine it.
If the founders had known that any state would be treasonous enough to allow foreigners and illegals to vote they would have made it a federal power to determine who was allowed to vote and defined it in the Constitution, our system of government is predicated on everyone "playing fair" and if certain states refuse to do so and are allowed to get away with it then the entire system will collapse and be replaced by a system that is less free and more centralized.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
So, to decentralize, we must centralize by voting Yay, violating the 10th.
This is another instance of standing on principle. But one must first agree with the fundamental, which is read my signature.
“Illegal” is a recent and statist term. Refer to Walter Block where the Fed (BLM) has no right to land. Land is open and free until homesteaded, at which point it becomes Private Property.
This is a country of immigrants, who freely traveled to escape their kings and bondage, sought a free life, hoping to own the fruits of their labor.
Those immigrants bartered, purchased and traded, forming communities, free to vote concerning their own local communities of which they live.
The problem is not with immigrants; the problem is the Fed, which provides free handouts and Welfare and the destruction of Private Property. Address the actual problem and the rest will resolve on their own.
Last edited by PAF; 03-14-2019 at 06:52 PM.
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
A yay vote doesn't violate the 10thA and even refusing to seat Congressmen as I suggested wouldn't either because the state would be free to continue to allow foreigners to vote or to set any other voter rules it wanted to.
Your "principle" is nonsense, this vote wouldn't have violated the 10thA.
Entering our territory in violation of our rules is illegal and it is an invasion, if you prefer the older term then call them invaders, I won't mind.
Land is free and open TO OUR CITIZENS until homesteaded, it is part of our territory ever since we established our control over it.
Those immigrants came in accordance with our rules at the time and they were closer to our political culture than current immigrants are, and yet they still contributed to a decay of our liberty culture so we tightened our rules about immigration in order t better protect the rights of our citizens.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
@Swordsmyth
No, SwordShill. That wasn’t until the Centralist Federalists took over to enslave the people once again, and then began the process of converting people like you, taxing, justifying, establishing “laws” which are not Natural Laws weakly outlined in the Bill of Rights.
I am no fan of the Constitution, but to abide by the Constitution one must vote it. Justin’s vote was in accordance to the Constitution plain and simple. You just don’t like the outcome is your problem. Because as always, you slant and try to convince to coerce the statist ways.
By the way - great article on Justin, who has among the highest Constitutional Freedom Scores of anybody, all they had to do was throw Soros’ name around here and there and now everybody wants to oust his ass. Just wonderful. /sarc
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
LOL, there were states/colonies with laws before the Constitution and they too would have ended up controlling immigration if the Constitution never existed.
The Constitution has nothing to do with this, voting to condemn allowing foreigners to vote in no way violates the 10thA.
Jeff Flake used to have a record just as good, as long as Amash keeps his record intact I will oppose ousting him but I will continue to point out any time that he is wrong.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Ok, here’s what I don’t “believe”, just to appease you. I will tell you what I know:
Had there not been a “Freedom Index Score” by which to gauge and prove based upon the facts, you would have rebuked every vote Justin ever made. Because he is a freedom fighter like me. And that really chaps your ass ;-)
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Read my sig. Really, really think about it. Once you have, try to think how it applies to immigrants, welfare, the Fed, eminent domain, free market, NAP.
Really, think hard about that. My sig is the foundation, and the solution, to every problem that we are facing.
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
You can't expect people to have complex philosophical thoughts about what rights are or where they come from. Most people here can't even figure out the freaking etymology of the word, much less apply it to principles.
All you should expect from that one is "Orange man gooder than Hillary man."
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
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