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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Only after disaster can we be resurrected."
Heil Honkler!
That was naturalization, which is about citizenship, not just being present in the land.
Nothing I've said in this thread about immigration has suggested that all immigrants should be citizens.
Also, I never mentioned "historical makeup." When I referred to the bloods, languages, and cultures of America, I was obviously talking about what obtains today. I think the reason you brought up historical makeup is so that you could somehow translate the criteria of the 1790 Naturalization Act to 2019. But to do that you have to skip over what has come between then and now, including other acts related to naturalization, like the 14th Amendment. Now, like it or not, you're stuck with nonwhite citizens as an existing given. And the bloods, languages, and cultures of those nonwhites are just as much the blood, language, and culture of America as those of any whites are.
ETA: Also, while the Naturalization Act of 1790 did use "blood" (in the sense that you clearly intend) to exclude some people from citizenship, like blacks, Asians, and American Indians, it still didn't recognize any unique "blood" as that of this country, and as far as I know also included no criteria at all limiting citizenship to people with one specific language and culture.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 03-09-2019 at 04:30 PM.
The mere act of coming here ultimately resulted in the Indian tribes losing their homeland. Is that enough to constitute being a victim or is it not?
OK, forget about history. The United States is still (barely) a majority white, English speaking country and I would like to keep it that way.
"Only after disaster can we be resurrected."
Heil Honkler!
Coming here without our permission is a crime, which is why I still call them Illegal Immigrants, not this Undocumented Citizen propaganda speak thats spouted by the Ministry of Truth.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Yep. We can have open borders, or welfare, but not both. Right now, it seems that the US is Mexico's Welfare System. They dont send us their best and brightest, we get the "cream of the crap" not the "cream of the crop". If we didnt have our Welfare / Warfare State, I would be more accepting of totally Open Borders as that is what it means to be truly free. We just are not at that point yet. Right now, we are headed toward whats called the Cloward Piven Strategy, which, in short, embraces Socialism and full on Welfare. They pointed out that overloading a state's Welfare System can collapse that society, especially when the cultures are incompatible. The incompatibility that I think is currently taking place is that people migrating here do not have any value of our culture, only our welfare, thus, they import their own culture to the point where it systematically replaces our own culture. If we did not offer welfare, then those that wanted to come here would be coming because they wanted to be a part of our culture, not replace it with Welfare, which is what we are getting.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Thats reasonable. Just apply for citizenship. No waiting, reasonable limitations, such as no outstanding warrants in your home country, things like that. My frustration with our current situation is that is what is happening, they DO have outstanding warrants and come here to escape and avoid taking responsibility for their actions at home. Not that their countries are perfect, but if youre wanted for murder, why do they think they can just come here?
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
''We are Mexico's welfare system'' I love it, so true.
Alex Jones had guests on some time back, or it may have been Mike Rivero, collapse the system
through welfare, then rebuild in socialism etc......
We can't have open borders though in my view, who has open borders that is a utopia today ?
Doesn't that just give everyone a nice warm, fuzzy , puppy-dog feeling.
You might want to give the parents a call and explain how this works.
The last Mother's son in this video was shot/killed at a traffic stop by an
illegal that had been convicted and deported 4 times prior.
Everything you just said opposes liberty and the NAP.
Just because the leftists breathe air does not mean that we should not. Just because communists eat food does not mean that we should not. Just because the opposition believes in the right to freely travel does not mean that we should not.
Even RP has commented about the duopoly, which is meant to divide and pit.
Liberty and the NAP support the right of freedom of travel.
To "demand permission", or become "documented" by the state, otherwise one is termed "illegal", is nothing but STATIST rhetoric.
Perhaps "Liberty 101" is not over certain individual's heads.
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I can't stand when people shout at their top of their lungs STATIST solutions while using a timid undertone tell us welfare can't be ended or is and impractical solution.
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
I dont think it does. Change the scale and see if things change at all. Instead of country, lets try the scale of just a single persons home. Should a single person have Self Authority to say who they will or will not allow into their home? Should a person have the Self Authority to invite people into their home with some reasonable restrictions? Such as having a party and saying "please stay out of my office", or "introduce yourself when you come inside"?
I dont think there is anything Aggressive about being Defensive. We arent going into their country telling them how to live; we are telling them there are some reasonable restrictions if they want to come into our homes. What is happening is that the Govt is declaring that you may not lock your front door, say no to them taking your food or other possessions, and, wants to give them Permission to Vote so they can vote on evicting you from your own house so they can live there for free at your expense. Why? Because we arent dumb enough to vote for them, but the immigrants that stand to prosper by stealing from you and I stand to gain immensely.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Anarchists don't believe in groups or group territory.................................except when it comes to foreigners, foreigners are allowed to have groups and group territory.
They also believe it is better to live under a communist regime imposed by foreigners and complain than to establish a minimal government to keep the communists out.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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