Illegal Aliens : Victimless Crimes ? A Call for Open Borders ?

[Stratovarious]

As we know, for starters;
Most Illegals draw welfare, I can't see how Americans are
not direct victims of this fact.

Would an 'Open Society' (George Soros), Open Border Policy somehow
stop the diseased, the leaches , the felons, the gangs, the terrorists from invading ?
Only hard workers doing jobs that 'Americans' won't do will come?

[TheCount]

I'm not following you. Are you saying that there are victims of immigration?

[juleswin]

I'm not following you. Are you saying that there are victims of immigration?

Yes, there are people who cannot compete in the employment market with the mostly low skilled, non english speaking, third worlder illegal immigrants. Not every American is in the position to compete with these people.

[TheCount]

Yes, there are people who cannot compete in the employment market with the mostly low skilled, non english speaking, third worlder illegal immigrants. Not every American is in the position to compete with these people.

They're the victims of crimes? Is it a crime for me to compete with them in the labor market as well? To which law enforcement agency should I turn myself in?

[axiomata]

Yes, there are people who cannot compete in the employment market with the mostly low skilled, non english speaking, third worlder illegal immigrants. Not every American is in the position to compete with these people.

The only Americans that cant compete with low skilled, uneducated, non English speakers is recent immigrants of the same background and characteristics, who dont work as hard.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not following you. Are you saying that there are victims of immigration?

Just as there is a victim when someone trespasses and squats on private property.

[juleswin]

The only Americans that cant compete with low skilled, uneducated, non English speakers is recent immigrants of the same background and characteristics, who dont work as hard.

Sucks for them, hopefully nobody on this forum is speaking up for those lazy moochers.

[Stratovarious]

I'm not following you. Are you saying that there are victims of immigration?

iM NoT sure what you mean .' '.

[Schifference]

Yes, there are people who cannot compete in the employment market with the mostly low skilled, non english speaking, third worlder illegal immigrants. Not every American is in the position to compete with these people.

I suggest that the Caucasian person is the one that will find difficulty getting a low paying job. If they cannot speak Spanish they will not be able to communicate with boss or other employees. Also they would probably be targeted even if they do speak Spanish because the Latino will want one of their friends working there instead of the Gringo.

[juleswin]

They're the victims of crimes? Is it a crime for me to compete with them in the labor market as well? To which law enforcement agency should I turn myself in?

To be a victim doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed. If some manufacturer is negatively affected by some tariff, they are the victim of said tariff and tariffs are not criminal. You may not care for these people but people who cannot compete with illegal immigrants are victims of illegal immigration.

[Stratovarious]

They're the victims of crimes? Is it a crime for me to compete with them in the labor market as well? To which law enforcement agency should I turn myself in?

Did you volunteer to reimburse the welfare dept for at least one familie's welfare?

[juleswin]

I suggest that the Caucasian person is the one that will find difficulty getting a low paying job. If they cannot speak Spanish they will not be able to communicate with boss or other employees. Also they would probably be targeted even if they do speak Spanish because the Latino will want one of their friends working there instead of the Gringo.

A caucasian person? many black people can't speak spanish. But still, their command of the english language and a little bit of competence in a work skill should give said caucasian person advantage over the low skilled, non english speaking third worlder. Just saying

[Schifference]

A caucasian person? many black people can't speak spanish. But still, their command of the english language and a little bit of competence in a work skill should give said caucasian person advantage over the low skilled, non english speaking third worlder. Just saying

No. Some places all the workers speak Spanish.

[Schifference]

Low paying jobs Hmm. Hike the minimum wage up and that equates to a pay cut for any person making more than the minimum. Soon jobs will be a thing of the past.

[juleswin]

No. Some places all the workers speak Spanish.

True, but are they the only people hiring in town? They can move to greener pastures and I still say that a low skilled caucasian person has by far a better chance at employment than any illegal, non english speaking third worlder of the same or higher skill set.

[Stratovarious]

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[juleswin]

Blsht.

That's like saying a woman that can't carry 50lbs of bananas all day like her
co workers that can, should be paid the same.

Yea, because that is exactly what I said

[Schifference]

True, but are they the only people hiring in town? They can move to greener pastures and I still say that a low skilled caucasian person has by far a better chance at employment than any illegal, non english speaking third worlder of the same or higher skill set.

I disagree. You are a nurse yes? Could you see how an organization could hire in a bunch of Latino's to do cleaning and or CNA work? Once they have a bunch of Latino's working there when they need a new person a worker recommends a friend. Next thing all the Latino's run the place. Then they bitch and moan. As a nurse you can not call out the lazy person because you are one nurse and have 8 people working under you. You create a problem for one of them and next thing you are out of work or you are filling out A&I reports all the time. The lazy workers would get the good hard working nurse fired or scrutinized. The Caucasian nurse is not a team player.

[Stratovarious]

A caucasian person? many black people can't speak spanish. But still, their command of the english language and a little bit of competence in a work skill should give said caucasian person advantage over the low skilled, non english speaking third worlder. Just saying

Yea, because that is exactly what I said

I stand corrected, read too many msgs at once, but this top quote makes no sense at all;
A Caucasian
a black
the the Caucasian gets the job over the 3rd worlder?

What does the 'black' have to do with this statement , there is no grammar used there.

[TheCount]

To be a victim doesn't necessarily mean a crime was committed.

The title of the thread is right there at the top. It's also in your address bar.

[TheCount]

Did you volunteer to reimburse the welfare dept for at least one familie's welfare?

What does immigration have to do with welfare?

[Stratovarious]

What does immigration have to do with welfare?

What do illegals have to do with what ?

[TheCount]

What do illegals have to do with what ?

Exactly, nothing. I'm still not following you.

Are you saying that, if a person immigrates, but doesn't get welfare, they haven't committed a crime?

[Stratovarious]

Exactly, nothing. I'm still not following you.



Are you saying that, if a person immigrates, but doesn't get welfare, they haven't committed a crime?

lol , I'.m not following y0u .

You said something about 'immigrants' , the topic has nothing to do with 'immigrants' .

[TheCount]

lol , I'.m not following y0u .

You said something about 'immigrants' , the topic has nothing to do with 'immigrants' .

Well, if they're just passing through then I don't see what crime they're committing.

[Stratovarious]

Well, if they're just passing through then I don't see what crime they're committing.

Who's passing through?

: )

[Stratovarious]

Well, if they're just passing through then I don't see what crime they're committing.

What is your favorite Country that has no borders?

[Stratovarious]

Well, if they're just passing through then I don't see what crime they're committing.

Illegals cost us over 300 Billion per year in medical services.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-spending.html

[Swordsmyth]

Well, if they're just passing through then I don't see what crime they're committing.

The invaders don't just pass through, they remain as occupiers.

[Superfluous Man]

As we know, for starters;
Most Illegals draw welfare, I can't see how Americans are
not direct victims of this fact.

What about the ones who don't draw welfare, then is it a victimless crime?

Would an 'Open Society' (George Soros), Open Border Policy somehow
stop the diseased, the leaches , the felons, the gangs, the terrorists from invading ?
Only hard workers doing jobs that 'Americans' won't do will come?

Of course. Felonies are called felonies because they're already illegal on their own right. Likewise with terrorism. These crimes should be treated for what they are, and not embedded into immigration law. If someone's in a gang, then again, if they're criminals, then it's those crimes that are relevant, not their movement from one place to another. And if they're not guilty of crimes, then labelling them as being in a gang is irrelevant. When you say "leaches," assuming you mean people on welfare, then again, I see no reason that needs to be a reason not to let people come here who don't go on welfare. Should some people with diseases be quarantined from others? Sure. And that goes for Americans as well as immigrants. In that case it's the communicability of the disease that's the operative factor, not immigration in general. There's no reason that a healthy person who wants to immigrate here should be treated like someone with a contagious disease.