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    Trump reiterates claim that he wants more legal immigration

    For a month, Trump has made requesting more legal immigration to the country — beyond the already historically record levels of more than 1.2 million new legal immigrants a year — part of his stump speech.

    The push for more legal immigration was first made in off-the-cuff comments at his State of the Union address, where he said he wanted to admit “the largest numbers ever” of legal immigrants to the country.

    For the fourth time in a month, during a roundtable with business executives and U.S. job outsourcers like Apple CEO Tim Cook and IBM CEO Ginni Rometty, Trump said, again, he wanted to increase legal immigration levels to benefit the profits of corporations.

    “We want a lot of people coming in … We want to have the companies grow, and the only way they’re going to grow is if we give them the workers, and the only way we’re going to have the workers is to do exactly what we’re doing,” Trump said.

    The comments are a direct rebuke of the president’s commitments in 2015, 2016, and 2017, where he vowed to reduce overall legal immigration levels to boost the wages of U.S. workers and reduce the displacement of America’s working and middle class.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-gets-overrun/

    This is good news. The question is when is he going to act on this desire and reverse his previous actions of restricting legal immigration?

    If we want less illegal immigration, then increasing legal immigration would be the simplest way to accomplish that.



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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-gets-overrun/

    This is good news. The question is when is he going to act on this desire and reverse his previous actions of restricting legal immigration?

    If we want less illegal immigration, then increasing legal immigration would be the simplest way to accomplish that.
    AND

    Simultaneously, while Trump requests more foreign workers to take U.S. jobs, foreign nationals have shown up in record numbers to the southern border — most of whom want American jobs. The continuing increase in illegal immigration has seemed to some to be a result of Trump’s promotion of wanting more foreign workers.
    Funny how all the Trump-lovers are screaming at those who call the "emergency" act from Trump unconstitutional, while Mr. Bait & Switch Trump is the actual reason for the increase in immigrants at the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    AND



    Funny how all the Trump-lovers are screaming at those who call the "emergency" act from Trump unconstitutional, while Mr. Bait & Switch Trump is the actual reason for the increase in immigrants at the border.

    They also can't see that he is once again establishing precedent among the party of "R", a term that was unheard of before: "illegal". Of course this will align with "fair labor", reduction/elimination of Contract Rights, and set immigrants up to not only be eligible for government programs, but also supply tax money to the FED.

    Groooooowwwwwww gubermint!

    That Great Wall will ASSIST in that effort.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    AND



    Funny how all the Trump-lovers are screaming at those who call the "emergency" act from Trump unconstitutional, while Mr. Bait & Switch Trump is the actual reason for the increase in immigrants at the border.
    And notice in that quote, even this immigration restrictionist writer at Breitbart admits that most of the foreign nationals showing up at the southern border are there because they want American jobs. Not because they are trying to get on American welfare or engage in lives of crime here. If we let these foreign nationals in, they would be a boon to our economy, not a drag.

    And the only reason for these people to cross the border illegally is because no legal means of doing it is afforded to them.

    Just let them in legally, and voila, illegal immigration will practically disappear.

    But the immigration restrictionists won't have that, because, while most of them may say that they're only against illegal immigration, and not against legal immigration, they don't really mean it.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 03-08-2019 at 09:04 AM.

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    Get this through your thick dumbass skulls.

    Legal immigration, which involves several years of assimilation to become a citizen, is good

    Illegal immigration, which involves walking across a border, demanding rights and benefits while waiving the flag of the $#@!hole country that was fled, is bad.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Get this through your thick dumbass skulls.

    Legal immigration, which involves several years of assimilation to become a citizen, is good

    Illegal immigration, which involves walking across a border, demanding rights and benefits while waiving the flag of the $#@!hole country that was fled, is bad.
    My point exactly.

    Just let these people immigrate legally (which you yourself say is good), and the incentive for illegal immigration will practically disappear.

    My only quibble is that becoming a citizen should be left out of the equation. Just because somebody comes here and stays a long time, even the remainder of their life, doesn't mean they should necessarily become a citizen.

    Now if only Trump will actually follow through on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Get this through your thick dumbass skulls.

    Legal immigration, which involves several years of assimilation to become a citizen, is good

    Illegal immigration, which involves walking across a border, demanding rights and benefits while waiving the flag of the $#@!hole country that was fled, is bad.
    Well, Miss Insultress, get this through your "thick dumbass skull":

    Simultaneously, while Trump requests more foreign workers to take U.S. jobs, foreign nationals have shown up in record numbers to the southern border — most of whom want American jobs. The continuing increase in illegal immigration has seemed to some to be a result of Trump’s promotion of wanting more foreign workers.
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    Good grief.

    So much for the site mission.

    Now I know why so many left.


    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ender again.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Ohhhh. From what spudea said, I just assumed he (she?) was referring to immigration restrictionists as dumb asses. That's really the only sensible way to take it in context of claiming that legal immigration is good (assuming spudea was being sincere in saying that).

    Was that directed to us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Get this through your thick dumbass skulls.

    Legal immigration, which involves several years of assimilation to become a citizen, is good

    Illegal immigration, which involves walking across a border, demanding rights and benefits while waiving the flag of the $#@!hole country that was fled, is bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Ohhhh. From what spudea said, I just assumed he (she?) was referring to immigration restrictionists as dumb asses. That's really the only sensible way to take it in context of claiming that legal immigration is good (assuming spudea was being sincere in saying that).

    Was that directed to us?
    I'm not really sure at this point. I took spudea's comment literally, as in "legal" immigration should be advocated and "illegal" is bad, putting no responsibility on the .gov or the bureaucrats who give them free handouts.

    Undocumented ie: "illegal" should receive NOTHING. But be allowed to enter as long as they commit no crime against another.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    They also can't see that he is once again establishing precedent among the party of "R", a term that was unheard of before: "illegal". Of course this will align with "fair labor", reduction/elimination of Contract Rights, and set immigrants up to not only be eligible for government programs, but also supply tax money to the FED.

    Groooooowwwwwww gubermint!

    That Great Wall will ASSIST in that effort.

    Re-quoted, for consideration.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I'm not really sure at this point. I took spudea's comment literally, as in "legal" immigration should be advocated and "illegal" is bad, putting no responsibility on the .gov or the bureaucrats who give them free handouts.
    I took it literally too, meaning that those people who cannot now immigrate here legally, should be allowed to do so. Then it would be legal immigration, and not illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Undocumented ie: "illegal" should receive NOTHING. But be allowed to enter as long as they commit no crime against another.
    "Allowed" meaning it should be legal. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    "Allowed" meaning it should be legal. Right?
    Yes :-)

    I believe in the freedom to travel freely. Unless a crime has been committed against another human being or private property, nobody has a right to ask for "papers please" or where you are going. If a crime has been committed, there are already laws to address that.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Yes :-)

    I believe in the freedom to travel freely. Unless a crime has been committed against another human being or private property, nobody has a right to ask for "papers please" or where you are going. If a crime has been committed, there are already laws to address that.
    Exactly, so just like spudea, I think legal immigration is good, whereas making it illegal is bad.

    Assuming spudea really meant that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Exactly, so just like spudea, I think legal immigration is good, whereas making it illegal is bad.

    Assuming spudea really meant that.
    I am having great difficulty with legal/illegal.

    "Legal" is a legal term, which defines what is permissible, ie: conditions.

    "Illegal" is a also a legal term, which defines what is not permissible, ie: conditions.

    "Undocumented" is the proper term, which defines no conditions. Which is what liberty/freedom is all about.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am having great difficulty with legal/illegal.

    "Legal" is a legal term, which defines what is permissible, ie: conditions.

    "Illegal" is a also a legal term, which defines what is not permissible, ie: conditions.

    "Undocumented" is the proper term, which defines no conditions. Which is what liberty/freedom is all about.

    "Legal" just means it doesn't violate a law. If immigration is not illegal, it's legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    "Legal" just means it doesn't violate a law. If immigration is not illegal, it's legal.

    According to Natural Law, yes, I agree. But government/politicians define it much, much differently.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Well, Miss Insultress, get this through your "thick dumbass skull":
    advocating and encouraging people to do the right thing, follow the law and the process to come here and work legally does not in any way promote or advocate for people to do the wrong thing and violate our rules and immigration law.

    The immigration laws are the same as when Trump took office. Twisting this to suggest Trump is promoting illegal immigration is false.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    The immigration laws are the same as when Trump took office.
    Trump has now repeatedly said that he wants to change that and make it easier for more people to immigrate here legally.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Twisting this to suggest Trump is promoting illegal immigration is false.
    Has anybody done that?

    What Trump is promoting is legalizing much of the immigration that is currently illegal. But then it wouldn't be illegal any more, of course.

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    So if is good for the economy, my taxes will go down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    So if is good for the economy, my taxes will go down?
    If Congress passes more tax cuts, which they certainly should.

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    Lol, what a circus.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
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    To give credit where due, MAGA has shown strong leadership and is already building bridges with our closest neighbor.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtRe5cGXQAE444b.jpg
    Jared Kushner, Trump and his daughter Ivanka after Kushner received highest award Mexico gives to foreigners, Order of the Aztec Eagle, from Pena Nieto.
    30 Nov 2018




    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post





    It's going to be really funny when Trump's base figures out he's betrayed them. He's not the man many think he is. In fact I think I could like him but for (some) of his supporters.

    Although extreme conservatives like Ann Coulter, Tucker Carlson were reportdely banned from speaking at CPAC 2019, to be fair to win 2020 election MAGA seems to be making bit of a liberal/globlaist shift lately in its messaging apparently aimed to court hispanic, lgbt , semitic minority votes that GOP usually does not go out of its way to court.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
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    We're nowhere close to full. North of the Mexican border, this continent is vastly underpopulated. This lack of human resources is holding us back from our economic potential. Stopping people who want to work from coming here to do so is self-destructive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    advocating and encouraging people to do the right thing, follow the law and the process to come here and work legally does not in any way promote or advocate for people to do the wrong thing and violate our rules and immigration law.

    The immigration laws are the same as when Trump took office. Twisting this to suggest Trump is promoting illegal immigration is false.
    I wasn't twisting anything- just pointing out the whole "caravan" scare is because of The Donald.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am having great difficulty with legal/illegal.

    "Legal" is a legal term, which defines what is permissible, ie: conditions.

    "Illegal" is a also a legal term, which defines what is not permissible, ie: conditions.

    "Undocumented" is the proper term, which defines no conditions. Which is what liberty/freedom is all about.
    Exactly.

    Most people have no concept of the difference between "lawful" & "legal".
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Lol, what a circus.
    Yeah, pretty much.

    I think El Jefe' Naranjo is $#@!ing nuts...I'm done trying to figure out if this is more "Drunken Monkey" sparring, or the right hand reasoning that makes excuses for the migrant invasion, or just the rantings of an idiot.

    Bottom line is millions more are coming, more wages will be driven down, more displacement will take place, more trash and filth and crowding will take place, more third world socialists will be elected to power and more freedom will be lost.

    And the band played on...

  33. #29
    Supply and demand.

    Apparently those jobs reports and low unemployment numbers are making the Federal Reserve very nervous. Before you know it, wages will increase and the debt pyramid might collapse under inflation. Trump loves debt.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    We're nowhere close to full. North of the Mexican border, this continent is vastly underpopulated. This lack of human resources is holding us back from our economic potential. Stopping people who want to work from coming here to do so is self-destructive.
    1. continuing to subsidize population growth in cold weather climates synthetically will lead to destabilized energy use & availability-we call those shortages

    2. GATHERING MORE SLAVES into the city states strengthens
    "our" adversary

    spread out

    terraform mexico

    MAKE
    MEXICO
    GREAT
    AGAIN


    SINCERLY,

    Me

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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