Yes Rand Paul, there is an emergency at our border!

[Superfluous Man]

America and Americans are the victims.

How?

[Stratovarious]

I can't find the post but Devil21 NAILED it.

"Illegals" are the freest on the land, they owe no allegiance... so on and so forth.

If anybody can find that and post it would be greatly appreciated.

We sure as fk don't need them here, they can go back where they came, and
denounce their allegiance to 'no one' there.
I applaud those that do just that.

[Dr.3D]

Suppose for just a minute that congress was divided and the majority wanted to stop the minority from ever winning another election.

What better way to make that happen than to import extra voters from a country that has people who think the way the majority of congress thinks?

Would that constitute an emergency? Should the majority party be allowed to increase their numbers by uncontrolled immigration?

If the majority of congress wishes to make the United States into a socialist country, should they be able to encourage an invasion of people from a socialist country, to accomplish the task?

Imagine a castle in the dark ages where the gates are closed and the enemy is storming the gates and inside the castle there are those who think the enemy should be able to enter the castle and are trying to open the gates to accomplish their goal. Would it be a problem for the king to declare an emergency to get what is needed to keep the gates shut and the enemy out?

[Stratovarious]

How?

Yes , America and Americans are victims of illegal aliens.

[PAF]

Suppose for just a minute that congress was divided and the majority wanted to stop the minority from ever winning another election.

What better way to make that happen than to import extra voters from a country that has people who think the way the majority of congress thinks?

Would that constitute an emergency? Should the majority party be allowed to increase their numbers by uncontrolled immigration?

If the majority of congress wishes to make the United States into a socialist country, should they be able to encourage an invasion of people from a socialist country, to accomplish the task?

Imagine a castle in the dark ages where the gates are closed and the enemy is storming the gates and inside the castle there are those who think the enemy should be able to enter the castle and are trying to open the gates to accomplish their goal. Would it be a problem for the king to declare an emergency to get what is needed to keep the gates shut and the enemy out?

The problem becomes when government causes the problem in the first place and causes more problems with a supposed "fix". A fix that tremendously reduces liberty, costs tax payers more money, all of which does nothing but exasperate the problem. It is a viscous cycle, and if we continue to go along to get along, "take one up the sphincter for the team", the actual problem will never be solved.

[Dr.3D]

The problem becomes when government causes the problem in the first place and causes more problems with a supposed "fix". A fix that tremendously reduces liberty, costs tax payers more money, all of which does nothing but exasperate the problem. It is a viscous cycle, and if we continue to go along to get along, "take one up the sphincter for the team", the actual problem will never be solved.

So the solution is to open the gates and let the castle be taken?

[juleswin]

Suppose for just a minute that congress was divided and the majority wanted to stop the minority from ever winning another election.

What better way to make that happen than to import extra voters from a country that has people who think the way the majority of congress thinks?

Would that constitute an emergency? Should the majority party be allowed to increase their numbers by uncontrolled immigration?

If the majority of congress wishes to make the United States into a socialist country, should they be able to encourage an invasion of people from a socialist country, to accomplish the task?

Imagine a castle in the dark ages where the gates are closed and the enemy is storming the gates and inside the castle there are those who think the enemy should be able to enter the castle and are trying to open the gates to accomplish their goal. Would it be a problem for the king to declare an emergency to get what is needed to keep the gates shut and the enemy out?

Considering that they are already the majority, they are bound to win the elections. But does it say that the minority while they had control of the senate, house and executive did nothing about this problem? Do u really trust that they care about winning elections? or care about u?

[Stratovarious]

Suppose for just a minute that congress was divided and the majority wanted to stop the minority from ever winning another election.

What better way to make that happen than to import extra voters from a country that has people who think the way the majority of congress thinks?

Would that constitute an emergency? Should the majority party be allowed to increase their numbers by uncontrolled immigration?

If the majority of congress wishes to make the United States into a socialist country, should they be able to encourage an invasion of people from a socialist country, to accomplish the task?

Imagine a castle in the dark ages where the gates are closed and the enemy is storming the gates and inside the castle there are those who think the enemy should be able to enter the castle and are trying to open the gates to accomplish their goal. Would it be a problem for the king to declare an emergency to get what is needed to keep the gates shut and the enemy out?

So true, however the Open Borders fan boys are going to continue to prove to us that Black is White,
Watch....

[PAF]

So the solution is to open the gates and let the castle be taken?

The solution is not easy, but is required. Otherwise all bets are OFF.

End Incentives.

Stay out of Foreign Affairs... Mexico, Venezuela, etc.

Allow Free Markets to operate, which means do not prosecute Contract Rights when businesses want to hire immigrants when Section 8 folks refuse to take those jobs. And certainly do not promote minimum wage regulated by International Labor Organization along that border which is exactly what USMCA will do.

Do not allow the Fed to utilize Eminent Domain, which takes Property Rights away from rightful owners giving more power to .gov.

Continue to educate others where the media fails and to endorse the site mission.

[Dr.3D]

Considering that they are already the majority, they are bound to win the elections. But does it say that the minority while they had control of the senate, house and executive did nothing about this problem? Do u really trust that they care about winning elections? or care about u?

Could it be those who voted that majority into the congress don't want Trump to have a free hand at doing anything through congress? It happened the other way around when Obama was president. Could be, people feel the deadlock is all they have to keep the government from having a free hand.

The way it is currently, those in the majority need to be sure they win the elections in the future or the fight between those who oppose them will continue.

I don't trust the govenment as far as I can throw them. If they really cared about us, and 33 out of 50 states allow the use of marijuana and yet it's still illegal at the federal level, who do they represent? Obviously it's not us.

[Stratovarious]

The solution is not easy, but is required. Otherwise all bets are OFF.

End Incentives.

Stay out of Foreign Affairs... Mexico, Venezuela, etc.

Allow Free Markets to operate, which means do not prosecute Contract Rights when businesses want to hire immigrants when Section 8 folks refuse to take those jobs. And certainly do not promote minimum wage regulated by International Labor Organization along that border which is exactly what USMCA will do.

Do not allow the Fed to utilize Eminent Domain, which takes Property Rights away from rightful owners giving more power to .gov.

Continue to educate others where the media fails and to endorse the site mission.

The solution is 'not easy' when you have open borders fanatics trying to convince Patriots that
Globalism is a good thing.

[Dr.3D]

The solution is not easy, but is required. Otherwise all bets are OFF.

End Incentives.

Stay out of Foreign Affairs... Mexico, Venezuela, etc.

Allow Free Markets to operate, which means do not prosecute Contract Rights when businesses want to hire immigrants when Section 8 folks refuse to take those jobs. And certainly do not promote minimum wage regulated by International Labor Organization along that border which is exactly what USMCA will do.

Do not allow the Fed to utilize Eminent Domain, which takes Property Rights away from rightful owners giving more power to .gov.

Continue to educate others where the media fails and to endorse the site mission.

Meanwhile, the gates are open and the castle is being taken.

Education takes time and by the time people are educated, the battle will be over.

[PAF]

Could it be those who voted that majority into the congress don't want Trump to have a free hand at doing anything through congress? It happened the other way around when Obama was president. Could be, people feel the deadlock is all they have to keep the government from having a free hand.

The way it is currently, those in the majority need to be sure they win the elections in the future or the fight between those who oppose them will continue.

I don't trust the govenment as far as I can throw them. If they really cared about us, and 33 out of 50 states allow the use of marijuana and yet it's still illegal at the federal level, who do they represent? Obviously it's not us.

The system is designed to control and keep the people at bay, fighting and pitting against each other. I wrote a lengthy post earlier in this thread about the importance of education, namely, ending Common Core and the FedDeptEd, which neither party will do. Unless there is groundswell as big as that stupid wall.

[PAF]

Meanwhile, the gates are open and the castle is being taken.

Education takes time and by the time people are educated, the battle will be over.

So is the proposal to give everything up to the very corrupt "powers that be" that is causing it? Build the wall anyway? So that labor will be regulated further, while giving up Private Property to the Fed?

[Dr.3D]

The system is designed to control and keep the people at bay, fighting and pitting against each other. I wrote a lengthy post earlier in this thread about the importance of education, namely, ending Common Core and the FedDeptEd, which neither party will do. Unless there is groundswell as big as that stupid wall.

In the meantime, while people are being educated about ending Common Core and the liberal government indoctrination system, which party would you like to see, maintain control?

It sure looks like the socialists will accomplish their goal and we will be stuck with them.

[PAF]

In the meantime, while people are being educated about ending Common Core and the liberal government indoctrination system, which party would you like to see, maintain control?

It sure looks like the socialists will accomplish their goal and we will be stuck with them.

I have not voted since '12, after seeing first hand how corrupt the system truly is. However, I contact my reps just about every week concerning bills on the floor.

That ball has been rolling for well over a hundred years. Most likely it will end bad, but I am not about to willingly give up Property Rights (SEE MY SIG), endorse businesses be prosecuted for hiring who they want, say ok to foreign meddling, or agree to USMCA, etc. That ain't gonna happen. If this country tanks because they can't see the big picture, then its time has long expired.

[johnwk]

Originally Posted by johnwk
Do you really believe uncontrolled immigration into the United States, which allows undesirable individuals into the United States, advances the general welfare of the United States?

Notice the word you chose there: "undesirable."

Desirability is subjective. Each individual has different desires. A central planning government can't manage the distribution of all the different things that different individuals desire in different ways. Only the free market can do that, and does very successfully everywhere that it is permitted to.

You may consider it undesirable for someone to be on your property. Meanwhile, I may consider it desirable for them to be on mine, perhaps as an employee, or a tenant, or a purchaser of it, or any other of the countless possibilities that are as individualized as we are.

It's not your place to impose your desires on me, or me to impose mine on you. And all our desires are most fully met (i.e. the general welfare is advanced) within the marketplace when we just let one another engage in commerce with other individuals according to our own choosing.

ETA: Also, you hit on another fatal flaw of your own position. Immigration restriction does not promote the general welfare. It plainly works against the welfare of those within our population who benefit from the presence of the immigrants whom immigration restriction excludes from America. Even if it did advance the welfare of some specific Americans, to the detriment of others, this would not constitute advancement of the general welfare. And since it does not promote the general welfare, it falls outside the scope of the powers delegated to Congress in Article I, Section 8.

Are you really suggesting there are no legitimate reasons for denying foreigners entry into the United States? I think your intention is to blow smoke and nothing more.


JWK

[johnwk]

Suppose for just a minute that congress was divided and the majority wanted to stop the minority from ever winning another election.

What better way to make that happen than to import extra voters from a country that has people who think the way the majority of congress thinks?

Would that constitute an emergency? Should the majority party be allowed to increase their numbers by uncontrolled immigration?

If the majority of congress wishes to make the United States into a socialist country, should they be able to encourage an invasion of people from a socialist country, to accomplish the task?

Imagine a castle in the dark ages where the gates are closed and the enemy is storming the gates and inside the castle there are those who think the enemy should be able to enter the castle and are trying to open the gates to accomplish their goal. Would it be a problem for the king to declare an emergency to get what is needed to keep the gates shut and the enemy out?

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of said invaders.


JWK


It was February of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to embrace the invasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.

[Stratovarious]

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of said invaders.


JWK


It was February of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to embrace the invasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.

''You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to johnwk again.''

[Swordsmyth]

Natural incentives are not a bad thing; they're a great thing! And the people who respond to natural incentives shouldn't be of concern to anyone except a xenophobic racist or a government tool. If immigrants respond to natural incentives only, then all of the collectivist problems that the government uses to instill fear in people disappears.

Leeches respond to natural incentives and then they destroy that which attracted them.

That is a good thing?

[Swordsmyth]

It couldn't be made more obvious when I told Swordy that Sadie made fantastic food at her restaurant and he followed up with there are other restaurants that I can go to LOL

You would sell our birthright for a mess of pottage, that is pathetic.

[PAF]

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of said invaders.


JWK

LOL I don't know where you live, but here in this affluent area which is mostly white European decent, they vote straight ticket Democrat, believe that TSA is a great thing, that we SHOULD be killing others overseas to protect our "freedoms" here, and believe that we should pay high taxes for the greater good.

And if you ask them about House Bill xx, they have NO clue what that means. But if House Bill xx whatever it means does get passed, the "politicians they elected care about us".

Yeah, that Wall is going to Free Us All!

[Stratovarious]

You would sell our birthright for a mess of pottage, that is pathetic.

''You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.''

[Stratovarious]

LOL I don't know where you live, but here in this affluent area which is mostly white European decent, they vote straight ticket Democrat, believe that TSA is a great thing, that we SHOULD be killing others overseas to protect our "freedoms" here, and believe that we should pay high taxes for the greater good.

And if you ask them about House Bill xx, they have NO clue what that means. But if House Bill xx whatever it means does get passed, the "politicians they elected care about us".

Yeah, that Wall is going to Free Us All!

Are you here legally?

[Swordsmyth]

LOL I don't know where you live, but here in this affluent area which is mostly white European decent, they vote straight ticket Democrat, believe that TSA is a great thing, that we SHOULD be killing others overseas to protect our "freedoms" here, and believe that we should pay high taxes for the greater good.

And if you ask them about House Bill xx, they have NO clue what that means. But if House Bill xx whatever it means does get passed, the "politicians they elected care about us".

Yeah, that Wall is going to Free Us All!

You are in favor of letting those people import reinforcements.

An open border dooms us all.

[Stratovarious]

You are in favor of letting those people import reinforcements.

An open border dooms us all.

This is Fact,

Stay tuned.....

[Stratovarious]

You are in favor of letting those people import reinforcements.

An open border dooms us all.

It has become very obvious that the Open Borders
fanatics are giving the same idiot (not just idiotic)
memes, and arguments over and over again, they are of
a breed ;

Soro's Open Society, or truly, complete morons with
no upside to them whatsoever.

Notice that in a lot of 'discussions' they champion
many common traits as patriots, 2nd amendment,
1st amendment , property rights, due process,
on and on.

These are all red herrings, the fact is that the agenda
is to ruin us with Open Borders, just as you mentioned,
the are the Judas Goats; ''we are your friend'' , leading
us all to the slaughter.

The NWO is way , way behind schedule, this is their
key focus as we can see by the Billions Soros has sunk
into Open Society , this is the Trojan Horse, termites ,
destroying us from within, and not 'incrementally', rather
in an accelerated fashion, to get agenda 21/3000
up to speed.

The Roster is right before our eyes, notice that none
of them have come around in their thinking,
remember when I changed my mind or at least made it
clear that I was against the wall at first, well that is because
I'm an honest patriot, and it became very obvious that
there are way too many 'Natural Incentives' that will
keep the invasion alive as long as we allow it.

The Open borders 'idiots' came in here with a 'pat'
agenda.

[Swordsmyth]

It has become very obvious that the Open Borders
fanatics are giving the same idiot (not just idiotic)
memes, and arguments over and over again, they are of
a breed ;

Soro's Open Society, or truly, complete morons with
no upside to them whatsoever.

Notice that in a lot of 'discussions' they champion
many common traits as patriots, 2nd amendment,
1st amendment , property rights, due process,
on and on.

These are all red herrings, the fact is that the agenda
is to ruin us with Open Borders, just as you mentioned,
the are the Judas Goats; ''we are your friend'' , leading
us all to the slaughter.

The NWO is way , way behind schedule, this is their
key focus as we can see by the Billions Soros has sunk
into Open Society , this is the Trojan Horse, termites ,
destroying us from within, and not 'incrementally', rather
in an accelerated fashion, to get agenda 21/3000
up to speed.

The Roster is right before our eyes, notice that none
of them have come around in their thinking,
remember when I changed my mind or at least made it
clear that I was against the wall at first, well that is because
I'm an honest patriot, and it became very obvious that
there are way too many 'Natural Incentives' that will
keep the invasion alive as long as we allow it.

The Open borders 'idiots' came in here with a 'pat'
agenda.

Some may be shills but others are sincere in my opinion, they are just so dedicated to their alternate realities that they refuse to recognize actual reality and deal with it, they would rather worship the anarchy fairy under a communist regime than accept even the smallest and most basic government to preserve as much liberty as is actually possible.

I have had one open borders advocate learn and switch sides since I have been here, most of them are just too deep into their fantasy to be able to handle the pain giving it up would cause.

[PAF]

Are you here legally?

Have I committed a crime? Am I free to go?

[pcosmar]

Leeches respond to natural incentives and then they destroy that which attracted them.

That is a good thing?

That's Politics.