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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    And that is precisely the problem.

    You two are talking past each other. In Strat's mind, the fact that those things will continue to motivate immigrants to come here even without a taxpayer funded safety net for them is a bad thing. That it is a bad thing is so obvious to him that he just takes it for granted. This dogma needs no defense. He wants to know how you would stop them from coming here in pursuit of such incentives as you list, and doesn't understand how you could possibly be fine with it.
    Ah, I see.

    @Stratovarious , let me start off by saying that there are countless data, and articles with each persons own perspectives, some more right/wrong than others, that readers with certain mind sets gravitate to. I stay informed by reading tid-bits of news here and there, but I don't immerse myself in reading every single thing, because there is no need to. I avoid analysis paralysis at all cost. I do, however, read bills and legislation, which is much more useful and accurate than msm slant/motive.

    I have learned that anything can be interpreted to reflect ones view. Take for instance, JBS Episode 39. While I agree with much of it, the first point was "immigration", and how it contributed to leading us to where we are. Sure, I get that. But human beings are not born to live under a rock. I enjoy traveling here and abroad. I want the freedom to travel, or reside if I am fortunate enough, anywhere that I choose without restriction. I do not see travel or "immigration" as the fundamental problem. When I travel, I do so as freely as I can, while still abiding by the NAP. I have formed many friendships throughout, and contribute to their local economies.

    I have learned that when people are empowered, no matter where they originate from, they more than typically do want to stand on their own. It is crutches, government involvement and lack of education that almost always gets in the way.

    Lack of proper education is the reason we are at this impasse, as well as being taught to take advantage of others. Human beings only know what they are taught and what they experience. Few people have the motivation to really critically think outside the box on their own. TPTB know this, which is why there is no desire or effort to change the education system.

    In my view, building walls, more police state, legislation to limit/prevent people from traveling freely, does not address the problem. They are control mechanisms designed to empower the state. Cases can be made that stopping immigration, even for a short time, would slow the radical change we are experiencing. But would it? Would Americans have a sudden change of heart? Would they think to themselves, "Gee, we have a Wall, let's stop having babies by different fathers and move out of Section 8!!!"? With the educational system this government forces down our throats, anybody with a rational mind would see that the answer is no.

    Also consider that trump (R) won the WH, when the congress and senate were run by R's. Yet FedDeptEd/Common Core stayed completely intact. Were immigrants responsible for that?

    TPTB do not relinquish power, they seek more of it. If/when the wall is built, and it becomes proven that it is ineffective in eliminating socialism, what next? More government solutions at tax payer cost? TSA Domestic Blueprint which is now underway? DNA biometrics to distinguish them from us? How much more do you want to fund the MIC, foreign AND domestic, before you are personally adversely affected? Is sacrificing your own freedom/liberty worth it to restrict another human beings freedom/liberty? Or perhaps instead, such as in my case, talk to people, form groups, teach and demonstrate what freedom/liberty mean, so that we can achieve RP, WB, the site and OUR own mission.


    "Natural Incentives". Wow, what a term. Deranged people have a natural incentive to shoot up a store over a pack of smokes. I prefer to advocate Natural Rights and the NAP, which apply to ALL people, not just "Americans".
    Last edited by PAF; 03-07-2019 at 09:51 AM.
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  3. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I can imagine the Roman Senate having similar useless and pointless philosophical arguments even as they were getting overrun by Visigoths and Vandals.
    The Visigoths and Vandals ultimately assimilated into Roman culture and became Christian so in the end none of that mattered to the average Roman. It was just the people at the top who were in trouble. Also the sack of Rome could have easily been avoided if not for the arrogance and stupidity of its leaders. Their biggest mistake? Turning against the very barbarians they had previously hired as mercenaries.



    Yep. They created their own demise for the purpose of imperial war and then lit the fuse of their own demise by trying to take out what they now viewed as a threat. Sound familiar? But again, the "barbarian hordes" were actually quite civilized, already Christianized, and only destroyed the homes of the elite and left the common Romans pretty much alone. And the seat of Roman power wasn't even at Rome at that point.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  4. #243
    So this Wall business...


    * Enter "Legally", which means they are eligible for government programs, and if they work, pay FED government taxes.

    * "Punish business owners" who hire "illegal" immigrants, which violates Private Contract Rights.

    * Utilize "Eminent Domain" along an entire state affecting 3 million people, which violates Private/Business Property Rights.

    * Grows government, hires more government, at tremendous dollar/liberty cost, violation of RP/site mission.

    * USMCA "in the works" which "balances out" labor, by way of International Labour Organization (UN) and Government Tribunals.


    I can see why this Big Beautiful Wall is being promoted on RonPaulForums. ****NOT****
    Last edited by PAF; 03-07-2019 at 10:41 AM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  5. #244

    Our forefathers view on restricting immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    There was a time people on this site were so anti statist that they rejected drunk driving laws.


    Of course you are talking about anarchists as opposed to those who support and defend our constitutionally limited system of government.



    Aside from that, is it not in the best interests of the United States and her citizens to regulate immigration and reject various classes of foreigners who are a threat to the general welfare of the United States?


    One of our forefathers touched upon this subject during our nation's RULE OF NATURALIZATION, FEB. 3RD, 1790


    Mr. BURKE thought it of importance to fill the country with useful men, such as farmers, mechanics, and manufacturers, and, therefore, would hold out every encouragement to them to emigrate to America. This class he would receive on liberal terms; and he was satisfied there would be room enough for them, and for their posterity, for five hundred years to come. There was another class of men, whom he did not think useful, and he did not care what impediments were thrown in their way; such as your European merchants, and factors of merchants, who come with a view of remaining so long as will enable them to acquire a fortune, and then they will leave the country, and carry off all their property with them. These people injure us more than they do us good, and, except in this last sentiment, I can compare them to nothing but leeches. They stick to us until they get their fill of our best blood, and then they fall off and leave us. I look upon the privilege of an American citizen to be an honorable one, and it ought not to be thrown away upon such people. There is another class also that I would interdict, that is, the convicts and criminals which they pour out of British jails. I wish sincerely some mode could be adopted to prevent the importation of such; but that, perhaps, is not in our power; the introduction of them ought to be considered as a high misdemeanor.

    So, as it turns out, allowing the kind of foreigners who are now invading our borders to stay here should be considered as a "high misdemeanor" which happens to be an impeachable offense!


    JWK


    Make no mistake. There is a very real war taking place on American soil and it is being won by socialists, communists and anarchists, who have successfully obstructed the American People from securing the border of their country.

  6. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So this Wall business...


    * Enter "Legally", which means they are eligible for government programs, and if they work, pay FED government taxes.

    * "Punish business owners" who hire "illegal" immigrants, which violates Private Contract Rights.

    * Utilize "Eminent Domain" along an entire state affecting 3 million people, which violates Private/Business Property Rights.

    * Grows government, hires more government, at tremendous dollar/liberty cost, violation of RP/site mission.

    * USMCA "in the works" which "balances out" labor, by way of International Labour Organization (UN) and Government Tribunals.


    I can see why this Big Beautiful Wall is being promoted on RonPaulForums. ****NOT****
    Pretty much. And then you have people like @Swordsmyth who are against the wall except for when they are for it.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  7. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ah, I see.

    @Stratovarious , let me start off by saying that there are countless data, and articles with each persons own perspectives, some more right/wrong than others, that readers with certain mind sets gravitate to. I stay informed by reading tid-bits of news here and there, but I don't immerse myself in reading every single thing, because there is no need to. I avoid analysis paralysis at all cost. I do, however, read bills and legislation, which is much more useful and accurate than msm slant/motive.

    I have learned that anything can be interpreted to reflect ones view. Take for instance, JBS Episode 39. While I agree with much of it, the first point was "immigration", and how it contributed to leading us to where we are. Sure, I get that. But human beings are not born to live under a rock. I enjoy traveling here and abroad. I want the freedom to travel, or reside if I am fortunate enough, anywhere that I choose without restriction. I do not see travel or "immigration" as the fundamental problem. When I travel, I do so as freely as I can, while still abiding by the NAP. I have formed many friendships throughout, and contribute to their local economies.

    I have learned that when people are empowered, no matter where they originate from, they more than typically do want to stand on their own. It is crutches, government involvement and lack of education that almost always gets in the way.

    Lack of proper education is the reason we are at this impasse, as well as being taught to take advantage of others. Human beings only know what they are taught and what they experience. Few people have the motivation to really critically think outside the box on their own. TPTB know this, which is why there is no desire or effort to change the education system.

    In my view, building walls, more police state, legislation to limit/prevent people from traveling freely, does not address the problem. They are control mechanisms designed to empower the state. Cases can be made that stopping immigration, even for a short time, would slow the radical change we are experiencing. But would it? Would Americans have a sudden change of heart? Would they think to themselves, "Gee, we have a Wall, let's stop having babies by different fathers and move out of Section 8!!!"? With the educational system this government forces down our throats, anybody with a rational mind would see that the answer is no.

    Also consider that trump (R) won the WH, when the congress and senate were run by R's. Yet FedDeptEd/Common Core stayed completely intact. Were immigrants responsible for that?

    TPTB do not relinquish power, they seek more of it. If/when the wall is built, and it becomes proven that it is ineffective in eliminating socialism, what next? More government solutions at tax payer cost? TSA Domestic Blueprint which is now underway? DNA biometrics to distinguish them from us? How much more do you want to fund the MIC, foreign AND domestic, before you are personally adversely affected? Is sacrificing your own freedom/liberty worth it to restrict another human beings freedom/liberty? Or perhaps instead, such as in my case, talk to people, form groups, teach and demonstrate what freedom/liberty mean, so that we can achieve RP, WB, the site and OUR own mission.


    "Natural Incentives". Wow, what a term. Deranged people have a natural incentive to shoot up a store over a pack of smokes. I prefer to advocate Natural Rights and the NAP, which apply to ALL people, not just "Americans".
    Exactly.

    The whole purpose of the fed "educational" system was to make compliant factory workers. People are taught incorrect history, and led down the "correct" political path dictated by the rulers.

    Immigrants have always been used by a chosen few, who lavished hate and lies upon them for political reasons- this includes Europeans as well as dem bad brown people from south of the border. The term "illegal immigrant" is fairly new and became incorporated so that more 'Murikans could run around with their hands in the air screeching about "illegals".

    The answer has always been no entitlements, a reasonable way to enter & leave the country, a reasonable way to obtain citizenship, and the ability of people to freely hire whomever they want.

    The Wall was never about "protecting" Americans- it's about enslaving Americans even more, just like The Patriot Act, which was hidden in the shadows waiting for the right event to come along. Ironically, we now have the big PA promoter sitting on SCOTUS.
    There is no spoon.

  8. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Pretty much.
    You'll hear them say they're not against immigration - just illegal immigration. Until you press them on it.
    You'll hear them say they're a drain on our government programs - but then they're still against it, even if absent those programs.
    You'll hear them say they're going to vote for more government - but then you tell them that THEY want more government. They'll say we need create more government to prevent THEM from creating more government.
    You'll hear them say the immigrants are bringing illegal drugs - but when we'd remove that incentive, they still don't want them.
    Even if you removed every artificial incentive, they still don't want them to come - but they can't explain why - they just want you to be afraid.


    Really, their arguments make no logical sense. They just want you to fear "other peoples" instead of focusing the blame on their government.

    If they really believed any of their justifications and moralizations, they'd welcome these people when those justifications and moralizations were removed. But they still won't. They're collectivists to the core and the State is their god.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  9. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ah, I see.

    @Stratovarious , let me start off by saying that there are countless data, and articles with each persons own perspectives, some more right/wrong than others, that readers with certain mind sets gravitate to. I stay informed by reading tid-bits of news here and there, but I don't immerse myself in reading every single thing, because there is no need to. I avoid analysis paralysis at all cost. I do, however, read bills and legislation, which is much more useful and accurate than msm slant/motive.

    I have learned that anything can be interpreted to reflect ones view. Take for instance, JBS Episode 39. While I agree with much of it, the first point was "immigration", and how it contributed to leading us to where we are. Sure, I get that. But human beings are not born to live under a rock. I enjoy traveling here and abroad. I want the freedom to travel, or reside if I am fortunate enough, anywhere that I choose without restriction. I do not see travel or "immigration" as the fundamental problem. When I travel, I do so as freely as I can, while still abiding by the NAP. I have formed many friendships throughout, and contribute to their local economies.

    I have learned that when people are empowered, no matter where they originate from, they more than typically do want to stand on their own. It is crutches, government involvement and lack of education that almost always gets in the way.

    Lack of proper education is the reason we are at this impasse, as well as being taught to take advantage of others. Human beings only know what they are taught and what they experience. Few people have the motivation to really critically think outside the box on their own. TPTB know this, which is why there is no desire or effort to change the education system.

    In my view, building walls, more police state, legislation to limit/prevent people from traveling freely, does not address the problem. They are control mechanisms designed to empower the state. Cases can be made that stopping immigration, even for a short time, would slow the radical change we are experiencing. But would it? Would Americans have a sudden change of heart? Would they think to themselves, "Gee, we have a Wall, let's stop having babies by different fathers and move out of Section 8!!!"? With the educational system this government forces down our throats, anybody with a rational mind would see that the answer is no.

    Also consider that trump (R) won the WH, when the congress and senate were run by R's. Yet FedDeptEd/Common Core stayed completely intact. Were immigrants responsible for that?

    TPTB do not relinquish power, they seek more of it. If/when the wall is built, and it becomes proven that it is ineffective in eliminating socialism, what next? More government solutions at tax payer cost? TSA Domestic Blueprint which is now underway? DNA biometrics to distinguish them from us? How much more do you want to fund the MIC, foreign AND domestic, before you are personally adversely affected? Is sacrificing your own freedom/liberty worth it to restrict another human beings freedom/liberty? Or perhaps instead, such as in my case, talk to people, form groups, teach and demonstrate what freedom/liberty mean, so that we can achieve RP, WB, the site and OUR own mission.


    "Natural Incentives". Wow, what a term. Deranged people have a natural incentive to shoot up a store over a pack of smokes. I prefer to advocate Natural Rights and the NAP, which apply to ALL people, not just "Americans".
    Correct: Open Borders is a bad thing.



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  11. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Ok, I get it now. You're just trolling a la TheTexan....
    I guess not, but I guess you have a mirror.

  12. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You'll hear them say they're not against immigration - just illegal immigration. Until you press them on it.
    You'll hear them say they're a drain on our government programs - but then they're still against it, even if absent those programs.
    You'll hear them say they're going to vote for more government - but then you tell them that THEY want more government. They'll say we need create more government to prevent THEM from creating more government.
    You'll hear them say the immigrants are bringing illegal drugs - but when we'd remove that incentive, they still don't want them.
    Even if you removed every artificial incentive, they still don't want them to come - but they can't explain why - they just want you to be afraid.


    Really, their arguments make no logical sense. They just want you to fear "other peoples" instead of focusing the blame on their government.

    If they really believed any of their justifications and moralizations, they'd welcome these people when those justifications and moralizations were removed. But they still won't. They're collectivists to the core and the State is their god.
    Sounds like the stuff you hear coming out of Progressive think tanks which can easily be debunked.

    You want to know why, here is why which is completely logical.

    - they do not want to be displaced becoming a stranger in their own community and unable to speak the language of the community.

    - they do not want to be discriminated against in their own community since they are now outnumbered.

    - they do not want to see the US end up with ethnic factions fighting one another in their communities or worse ethic or racial civil wars like the Balkans since immigration was not regulated.

    - they do not want rapists, murders and various other criminals escaping from their homelands into our communities since immigration was not regulated.

    - they do not want terrorists or some foreign power flooding the country with people that want to kill us since immigration was not regulated.

    - they do not want to increase government spending to care for immigrants.

    - they do not want people that have no concept of liberty fundamentally changing this country politically by eventually voting for an anti-liberty political system.

    It is not all that hard to figure out.
    Last edited by kahless; 03-07-2019 at 12:59 PM.

  13. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ah, I see.

    @Stratovarious , let me start off by saying that there are countless data, and articles with each persons own perspectives, some more right/wrong than others, that readers with certain mind sets gravitate to. I stay informed by reading tid-bits of news here and there, but I don't immerse myself in reading every single thing, because there is no need to. I avoid analysis paralysis at all cost. I do, however, read bills and legislation, which is much more useful and accurate than msm slant/motive.

    I have learned that anything can be interpreted to reflect ones view. Take for instance, JBS Episode 39. While I agree with much of it, the first point was "immigration", and how it contributed to leading us to where we are. Sure, I get that. But human beings are not born to live under a rock. I enjoy traveling here and abroad. I want the freedom to travel, or reside if I am fortunate enough, anywhere that I choose without restriction. I do not see travel or "immigration" as the fundamental problem. When I travel, I do so as freely as I can, while still abiding by the NAP. I have formed many friendships throughout, and contribute to their local economies.

    I have learned that when people are empowered, no matter where they originate from, they more than typically do want to stand on their own. It is crutches, government involvement and lack of education that almost always gets in the way.

    Lack of proper education is the reason we are at this impasse,
    as well as being taught to take advantage of others. Human beings only know what they are taught and what they experience. Few people have the motivation to really critically think outside the box on their own. TPTB know this, which is why there is no desire or effort to change the education system.

    In my view, building walls, more police state, legislation to limit/prevent people from traveling freely, does not address the problem. They are control mechanisms designed to empower the state. Cases can be made that stopping immigration, even for a short time, would slow the radical change we are experiencing. But would it? Would Americans have a sudden change of heart? Would they think to themselves, "Gee, we have a Wall, let's stop having babies by different fathers and move out of Section 8!!!"? With the educational system this government forces down our throats, anybody with a rational mind would see that the answer is no.

    Also consider that trump (R) won the WH, when the congress and senate were run by R's. Yet FedDeptEd/Common Core stayed completely intact. Were immigrants responsible for that?

    TPTB do not relinquish power, they seek more of it. If/when the wall is built, and it becomes proven that it is ineffective in eliminating socialism, what next? More government solutions at tax payer cost? TSA Domestic Blueprint which is now underway? DNA biometrics to distinguish them from us? How much more do you want to fund the MIC, foreign AND domestic, before you are personally adversely affected? Is sacrificing your own freedom/liberty worth it to restrict another human beings freedom/liberty? Or perhaps instead, such as in my case, talk to people, form groups, teach and demonstrate what freedom/liberty mean, so that we can achieve RP, WB, the site and OUR own mission.


    "Natural Incentives". Wow, what a term. Deranged people have a natural incentive to shoot up a store over a pack of smokes. I prefer to advocate Natural Rights and the NAP, which apply to ALL people, not just "Americans".
    False:
    Lack of intelligence is what drives idiots to fantasies of an Open Border Policy.

  14. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Sounds like the stuff you hear coming out of Progressive think tanks which can easily be debunked.

    You want to know why, here is why which is completely logical.

    - they do not want to be displaced becoming a stranger in their own community and unable to speak the language of the community.
    Pretext. We've had "little Italy" and "little Chinatown" and "little fill in the blank." By the 2nd or third generation English is the first language of all descendants of immigrants.

    - they do not want to be discriminated against in their own community since they are now outnumbered.
    Welcome to my world. It's been that way for 400 years.\

    - they do not want to see the US end up with ethnic factions fighting one another in their communities or worse ethic or racial civil wars like the Balkans since immigration was not regulated.
    Pretext. I got white lesbians moving into my neighborhood and I don't care. They're actually friendly and gave me some Rice Krispy treats for Halloween.

    - they do not want rapists, murders and various other criminals escaping from their homelands into our communities since immigration was not regulated.
    Pretext. Violent crime has continued to go down all the while people are freaking out more and more about immigration.





    - they do not want terrorists or some foreign power flooding the country with people that want to kill us since immigration was not regulated.
    Pretext. All of the foreign terrorists have been let in through legal means. No cases of Habib coming in through Mexico and hijacking a plane. The evidence points to Habib being brought in by the CIA.



    - they do not want to increase government spending to care for immigrants.
    And yet they oppose H1B visas which only go to gainfully employed immigrants who have to leave the country if they lose their job. Another pretext.

    - they do not want people that have no concept of liberty fundamentally changing this country politically by eventually voting for an anti-liberty political system.
    And so they support face scanning cameras and unbridled presidential power, fundamentally changing the country as far as liberty is concerned, to "save" us from anti liberty voters. Ummmm....okay.

    It is not all that hard to figure out.
    If you say so.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    False:
    Lack of intelligence is what drives idiots to fantasies of an Open Border Policy.
    And what exactly is an "open border policy?" Being against Trump's unconstitutional power grab? Not supporting the idea that just because Trump has fallen flat on a phony political promise that he never intended to keep anyway that this somehow translates into an emergency? Do you even understand Trump's "wall fence" proposal? It's not eve going to go across the entire border! And much of it will be "vehicle barriers" that anybody can walk across. The "migrant horde" that everyone was freaking out about walked right up to the existing wall! What's causing mass migration from Central America is the United States destabilizing Central American countries. And guess what Trump is doing right now in Venezuela? He is destabilizing it for the oil! Good grief!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If you say so.
    It's just fear... They've allowed themselves to be guided by their fear. The State LOOOVES that. Collectivism and Fear. The two most powerful tools of the State. On display.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  17. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And what exactly is an "open border policy?" Being against Trump's unconstitutional power grab? Not supporting the idea that just because Trump has fallen flat on a phony political promise that he never intended to keep anyway that this somehow translates into an emergency? Do you even understand Trump's "wall fence" proposal? It's not eve going to go across the entire border! And much of it will be "vehicle barriers" that anybody can walk across. The "migrant horde" that everyone was freaking out about walked right up to the existing wall! What's causing mass migration from Central America is the United States destabilizing Central American countries. And guess what Trump is doing right now in Venezuela? He is destabilizing it for the oil! Good grief!
    ^^^THIS^^^

    Good grief, people- the problem is NOT immigrants- the problem is our own government. If you can be kept afraid of a non-problem like immigrants, then you won't notice the real problems, like setting up the world for full on war- maybe even nuclear.

    WAKE UP.
    There is no spoon.

  18. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    It's just fear... They've allowed themselves to be guided by their fear. The State LOOOVES that. Collectivism and Fear. The two most powerful tools of the State. On display.
    It's just fear...

    Open border idiots, are afraid Diseased Felons, rapists, and terrorists might be encumbered
    at the border.
    Those are the most powerful tools of Globalist Socialists, scare idiots into
    fearing that these criminals won't be allowed to turn America into the cesspool they
    built and plan to leave behind.



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  20. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^^THIS^^^

    Good grief, people- the problem is NOT immigrants- the problem is our own government. If you can be kept afraid of a non-problem like immigrants, then you won't notice the real problems, like setting up the world for full on war- maybe even nuclear.

    WAKE UP.
    The only problem with illegal aliens is illegal aliens.

  21. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    It's just fear...

    Open border idiots, are afraid Diseased Felons, rapists, and terrorists might be encumbered
    at the border.
    Those are the most powerful tools of Globalist Socialists, scare idiots into
    fearing that these criminals won't be allowed to turn America into the cesspool they
    built and plan to leave behind.
    WALL IDIOTS are afraid of anything .gov tells them to be afraid of.

    And, yes, the most powerful tool of gov is fear- and Wall Idiots want America to remain the cesspool that was built especially for them to be locked into for the rest of their lives.

    So much Freedom.
    There is no spoon.

  22. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Open border idiots, are afraid Diseased Felons, rapists, and terrorists might be encumbered
    at the border.
    Can't felonies, rapes, and terrorism, all be banned, treated as crimes in their own rights, and punished with appropriate losses of freedoms, without having to embed them into laws about immigration, which are used against innocent people who are guilty of none of those things?

  23. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Can't felonies, rapes, and terrorism, all be banned, treated as crimes in their own rights, and punished with appropriate losses of freedoms, without having to embed them into laws about immigration, which are used against innocent people who are guilty of none of those things?
    You'd think.

    Same as "driving under the influence" laws, "hate" laws, etc. Things should be a crime after the fact- otherwise we are all living in the Minority Report.
    There is no spoon.

  24. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    You'd think.

    Same as "driving under the influence" laws, "hate" laws, etc. Things should be a crime after the fact- otherwise we are all living in the Minority Report.
    For that matter, why not say that the government should just deport people who were born here too, since that will prevent some of them from committing crimes in America in the future.

    And really, why stop at deporting them, since that just means they'll still commit crimes elsewhere. Why not just kill them before they get a chance to hurt someone?

  25. #262
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  26. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    For that matter, why not say that the government should just deport people who were born here too, since that will prevent some of them from committing crimes in America in the future.

    And really, why stop at deporting them, since that just means they'll still commit crimes elsewhere. Why not just kill them before they get a chance to hurt someone?

    Unfortunately it is coming to that. In fact, some here have even told me to gtfo of this country and go live in another just for promoting the site mission.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  27. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    WALL IDIOTS are afraid of anything .gov tells them to be afraid of.

    And, yes, the most powerful tool of gov is fear- and Wall Idiots want America to remain the cesspool that was built especially for them to be locked into for the rest of their lives.

    So much Freedom.

    Hey! The wall idiots are fighting for their "right" to label peaceful, innocent people whom they've never even met, let alone possess any actual evidence against as "Diseased Felons, rapists and terrorists," and then to wall themselves up in their own little safe space to protect themselves from those scary others. It doesn't get much more "free" than that.

    Freedumb on display.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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  29. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Unfortunately it is coming to that. In fact, some here have even told me to gtfo of this country and go live in another just for promoting the site mission.
    Yeah, that line is the old stand by.

    Statists of all varieties do it.

    It's the same basic fallacy as those who tell you that if you don't think roads should be tax funded, then in order not to be a hypocrite you're obligated to go live in the woods somewhere apart from civilization.

  30. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Can't felonies, rapes, and terrorism, all be banned, treated as crimes in their own rights, and punished with appropriate losses of freedoms, without having to embed them into laws about immigration, which are used against innocent people who are guilty of none of those things?

    Didn't you read Strato's previous posts. If they're here "illegally" they definitely ARE guilty of those things. No exceptions.

    Freedumb.
    Last edited by CCTelander; 03-07-2019 at 02:31 PM.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  31. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You recognize that they aren't here to learn or support the site mission, right? They're here to spread their collective fear. Honest debate isn't part of the equation.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  32. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    For that matter, why not say that the government should just deport people who were born here too, since that will prevent some of them from committing crimes in America in the future.

    And really, why stop at deporting them, since that just means they'll still commit crimes elsewhere. Why not just kill them before they get a chance to hurt someone?

    Now you're getting it.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  33. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You recognize that they aren't here to learn or support the site mission, right? They're here to spread their collective fear. Honest debate isn't part of the equation.

    That's why I seldom spend a lot of time on them. Well, that and the fact that I just don't have all that much time to begin with.
    Last edited by CCTelander; 03-07-2019 at 02:32 PM.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  34. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Didn't you read Strato's previous oksts. If they're here "illegally" they definitely ARE guilty of those things. No exceptions.

    Freedumb.
    Right. But also, if they were here legally, they would still be guilty of them, which is why we need to keep the laws in place that make it illegal for them to be here.

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