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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    lol


    Originally Posted by Stratovarious Your solution is not even close to 'enough' .

    How are you going to 'end' our Natural Incentives ?

    Turn us into a 3rd world shthole?

    Yea, that would work.


    Saudi Arabia is a place where loads of people travel to for work, it is a socialist paradise for natives and foreigners get 0 benefits. Remove all the welfare benefits in this country and foreigners would still want to come here to work. And by people, I am talking about third world people.

    I read all the time that ending welfare would stop the flow of illegals. Good luck with that. People will always migrate to the more prosperous region in the world.
    Last edited by juleswin; 03-06-2019 at 02:10 PM.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    socialist paradise
    Now there's an oxymoron.

    I'm pretty sure not every Saudi figures they live in paradise.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    It was also an emergency the last 2 years but Trump did nothing until the people voted the democrats in the house. I think its on Trump for missing his opportunity to build the wall.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to juleswin again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  6. #34
    At least republicans were able to repeal obamacare...

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Now there's an oxymoron.

    I'm pretty sure not every Saudi figures they live in paradise.
    I dunno what to tell you, they have the policies people like Bernie are proposing for the US as in they have govt provided free education, healthcare, housing, food, jobs etc etc and low taxes to boot. Yes, it is also a paradise in more ways than one. Remember, I did not say its a perfect society.

    How about this, most of the Saudis I hung out with wouldn't trade places with u
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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    .

    See
    CBP Reports Over 76,000 Unauthorized Border Crossings in February

    March 05, 2019

    ”More than 76,000 migrants crossed the U.S.-Mexico border without authorization in February, breaking records for the fourth time in five months. Border enforcement authorities warned Tuesday that the border is hitting a breaking point: Government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed. The numbers from February are more than double than levels from the same period last year. “The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters.”

    It is absolutely stunning that while our southern border is being invaded by tens of thousands of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminal foreigners from Central America, and American citizens are suffering the devastating social and economic impact of such an invasion, we have Republican members in Congress who pretend there is no invasion and refuse to assist our president in repelling said invasion.

    JWK


    It was February of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, some socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to continue the invasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.
    And so Trump tries to "fix" the problem by further destabilizing Venezuela causing an even greater surge of displaced Central American people. Oh the irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yes, they do. Worked for Obamacare....

    Sadly, it works all too well even on good, well-meaning, otherwise reasonable people who you'd have thought knew better than to allow it to work.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And so Trump tries to "fix" the problem by further destabilizing Venezuela causing an even greater surge of displaced Central American people. Oh the irony.
    THAT is exactly the plan, as TPTB rake more in dollars and control, while we get to pay for it all.

    Short mental retention people have.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Saudi Arabia is a place where loads of people travel to for work, it is a socialist paradise for natives and foreigners get 0 benefits. Remove all the welfare benefits in this country and foreigners would still want to come here to work. And by people, I am talking about third world people.

    I read all the time that ending welfare would stop the flow of illegals. Good luck with that. People will always migrate to the more prosperous region in the world.
    The countries they leave already have welfare programs.


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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    ...

    I read all the time that ending welfare would stop the flow of illegals. Good luck with that. People will always migrate to the more prosperous region in the world.
    I agree, ending welfare won't stop or even touch our 'Natural Incentives' , I've never heard an American
    gasp; ''OMG they're going to let me immigrate to Africa or even Australia, Britain etc,'', for that matter.


    There is no 'cutting' our natural incentives, that's why PAF and everyone else will decline to answer the question.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    At least republicans were able to repeal obamacare...

    Lock her up!
    I do not consent.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I agree, ending welfare won't stop or even touch our 'Natural Incentives' , I've never heard an American
    gasp; ''OMG they're going to let me immigrate to Africa or even Australia, Britain etc,'', for that matter.


    There is no 'cutting' our natural incentives, that's why PAF and everyone else will decline to answer the question.

    Strat, "end or cutting natural incentives"... I can not answer because I do not know what you mean by that.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Strat, "end or cutting natural incentives"... I can not answer because I do not know what you mean by that.
    He means that it's not enough to let people immigrate here and not go on welfare, he wants to make sure they don't immigrate here at all, and he's afraid that even without welfare some people would still want to do that. He wants to know how you would take away all the other incentives, aside from government freebies, that might draw them here.

    Also, on a side note, he also wants you to know that he's not at all against immigration in general, but only against illegal immigration.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Strat, "end or cutting natural incentives"... I can not answer because I do not know what you mean by that.
    Isn't that the best kind of argument--made with nebulous terms he can redefine in an emergency?

    I also noticed he predicted you wouldn't answer " the question" in a post which contained no questions.

    I guess all those tricks make him right. I have to guess, because I don't know what he said, or if he said anything at all.
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    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    He means that it's not enough to let people immigrate here and not go on welfare, he wants to make sure they don't immigrate here at all, and he's afraid that even without welfare some people would still want to do that. He wants to know how you would take away all the other incentives, aside from government freebies, that might draw them here.

    Also, on a side note, he also wants you to know that he's not at all against immigration in general, but only against illegal immigration.

    Personal attacks and lies, great platform sm......

    Libel again.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    He means that it's not enough to let people immigrate here and not go on welfare, he wants to make sure they don't immigrate here at all, and he's afraid that even without welfare some people would still want to do that. He wants to know how you would take away all the other incentives, aside from government freebies, that might draw them here.

    Also, on a side note, he also wants you to know that he's not at all against immigration in general, but only against illegal immigration.

    What if I told him that my natural incentive would be that I would be willing trade with somebody. For example, I retire (ex-pat to Mexico) and in return have an able-bodied foreigner take my place here to work. Sort of what exchange students do, but actually productive :-)


    @Stratovarious , would you be in favor of that? I wouldn't want my natural tendencies to be infringed upon!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Strat, "end or cutting natural incentives"... I can not answer because I do not know what you mean by that.
    He doesn't want to turn America into a complete hellhole thereby naturally deincentivizing others from wishing to improve their lots in life by coming here. But he doesn't want others coming here so he's hoping a partial hellhole-- wall taxes, eminent domain, and unconstitutional executive action will keep them out.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    What if I told him that my natural incentive would be that I would be willing trade with somebody.
    That would only prove his point that you can't get rid of natural incentives like that, and we'd still end up with immigrants wanting to come here, which is unacceptable.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Isn't that the best kind of argument--made with nebulous terms he can redefine in an emergency?

    I also noticed he predicted you wouldn't answer " the question" in a post which contained no questions.

    I guess all those tricks make him right. I have to guess, because I don't know what he said, or if he said anything at all.

    He's stacking, Super just got nailed with libel, perhaps you and I are next :-O
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    He doesn't want to turn America into a complete hellhole thereby naturally deincentivizing others from wishing to improve their lots in life by coming here. But he doesn't want others coming here so he's hoping a partial hellhole-- wall taxes, eminent domain, and unconstitutional executive action will keep them out.
    But if we opted not to dissuade them from coming here by making it a hellhole first, then they would come here and, as he sees it, their presence would turn the place into a hellhole, thus eliminating the natural incentives that draw them here. It would be self-regulating that way.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    He doesn't want to turn America into a complete hellhole thereby naturally deincentivizing others from wishing to improve their lots in life by coming here. But he doesn't want others coming here so he's hoping a partial hellhole-- wall taxes, eminent domain, and unconstitutional executive action will keep them out.

    He's in favor of forced vaccinations, here and abroad?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Strat, "end or cutting natural incentives"... I can not answer because I do not know what you mean by that.
    We've had this conversation before PAF, as you can see , below is probably at least
    the second time I explained this to you;

    From earlier;
    ''I , personally (redundant I realize) came to the realization that cutting incentives is
    only part of the issue , another much larger part is the fact that we have way too many
    inherent NATURAL-INCENTIVES enticing illegals to come here.
    I also will add the fact that the freebie gifts are not going away anytime soon, we have
    a crisis , we can't keep out terrorists, diseased, felons, gang bangers, you name it,
    without better border security and a wall is going to be part of that security.''


    Great economy compared to MEXICO, much less beheadings and murders from drug cartel,
    licenses, voting rights, people already here to hide them.
    Terrorists can't wait to attack us, emergency rooms accept anyone, anchor babies, daca ,
    amnesty, beautiful women, personal rights.
    Bill of Rights , Constitution .

    Tell me again PAF, how we are going to eliminate 'natural incentives' .


    What country would you rather be living in , and why aren't you there?

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    He doesn't want to turn America into a complete hellhole thereby naturally deincentivizing others from wishing to improve their lots in life by coming here. But he doesn't want others coming here so he's hoping a partial hellhole-- wall taxes, eminent domain, and unconstitutional executive action will keep them out.
    Excellent , more libel. :facepalm:

  28. #54
    Gotta love the NANNY STATE, SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF SO called tos, Bravo, same
    as any forum with that uses censorship.

  29. #55
    Notice how in post #52 Strat articulated (if we can call it that) the same position that I attributed to him in the post where he claims I libeled him.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    What if I told him that my natural incentive would be that I would be willing trade with somebody. For example, I retire (ex-pat to Mexico) and in return have an able-bodied foreigner take my place here to work. Sort of what exchange students do, but actually productive :-)


    @Stratovarious , would you be in favor of that? I wouldn't want my natural tendencies to be infringed upon!



    This is your answer?

    lmao



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    We've had this conversation before PAF, as you can see , below is probably at least
    the second time I explained this to you;

    From earlier;
    ''I , personally (redundant I realize) came to the realization that cutting incentives is
    only part of the issue , another much larger part is the fact that we have way too many
    inherent NATURAL-INCENTIVES enticing illegals to come here.
    I also will add the fact that the freebie gifts are not going away anytime soon, we have
    a crisis , we can't keep out terrorists, diseased, felons, gang bangers, you name it,
    without better border security and a wall is going to be part of that security.''


    Great economy compared to MEXICO, much less beheadings and murders from drug cartel,
    licenses, voting rights, people already here to hide them.
    Terrorists can't wait to attack us, emergency rooms accept anyone, anchor babies, daca ,
    amnesty, beautiful women, personal rights.
    Bill of Rights , Constitution .

    Tell me again PAF, how we are going to eliminate 'natural incentives' .


    What country would you rather be living in , and why aren't you there?

    I can answer every question by answering the last:

    Because this corrupt government does not "allow" me to leave... lest I pay them 30% instead 10%, but only after turning 55, and only after filling out a 72T, and only after promising not to work, after that. And then after all that, I will have to travel to predetermined designated areas in order to find an exit point. And then show my papers, and then I may freely pass Go. Same in reverse.


    See why folks like you have to put up with the likes of me? Because this stupid government forces me on you!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Notice how in post #52 Strat articulated (if we can call it that) the same position that I attributed to him in the post where he claims I libeled him.
    Notice how you're making no sense whatsoever , we are talking about illegals , what is your topic?

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Notice how in post #52 Strat articulated (if we can call it that) the same position that I attributed to him in the post where he claims I libeled him.
    But he didn't say it was libel.

    He said it was libel.

    There's a difference. I think.
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    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
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    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Ron Paul opposes Trump's wall. Rand Paul opposes Trump's bid to grab more power in violation of the Constitution.
    Grab more power? Rand Paul doesn't know what he is talking about. The President is already authorized by Congress to reassign certain funds during a declared emergency.
    JWK

    There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

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