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    Yes Rand Paul, there is an emergency at our border!

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    CBP Reports Over 76,000 Unauthorized Border Crossings in February

    March 05, 2019

    ”More than 76,000 migrants crossed the U.S.-Mexico border without authorization in February, breaking records for the fourth time in five months. Border enforcement authorities warned Tuesday that the border is hitting a breaking point: Government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed. The numbers from February are more than double than levels from the same period last year. “The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters.”

    It is absolutely stunning that while our southern border is being invaded by tens of thousands of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminal foreigners from Central America, and American citizens are suffering the devastating social and economic impact of such an invasion, we have Republican members in Congress who pretend there is no invasion and refuse to assist our president in repelling said invasion.

    JWK


    It was February of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, some socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to continue the invasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.
    Last edited by johnwk; 03-06-2019 at 07:06 AM.



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    Sounds like stocks and bonds. Down some days, up others.

    I'm sure they know about that proposed wall, maybe they figure they'll get in before it's built.

    My solution is to End Incentives, which todays anti-freedom/anti-fiscal republicans refuse to mention or tweet.

    I'd bet once talk of that wall stops the numbers would go back to declining like it has been for decades.

    The side effect would be to protect private/business property owners from government eminent domain, and allow businesses to hire those that legal Americans on Section 8 don't want. I am a firm supporter of Contract Rights; I oppose minimum wage, and taxes which only grows the Fed. Because once "documented" they become eligible for government programs.

    Gee, I wish I was president right about now.


    Edit: The only "crisis" I see is government getting in the way of EVERYTHING.
    Last edited by PAF; 03-06-2019 at 07:39 AM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post

    I'd bet once talk of that wall stops the numbers would go back to declining like it has been for decades.

    Did you miss the 12-20 million who invaded our borders during those "decades"? Had our border been protected, as Congress promised 35 years ago in return for amnesty for 2 million illegal entrants, we wouldn't be suffering the devastating social and economic impact of illegal border crossings today.


    JWK



    Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Did you miss the 12-20 million who invaded our borders during those "decades"? Had our border been protected, as Congress promised 35 years ago in return for amnesty for 2 million illegal entrants, we wouldn't be suffering the devastating social and economic impact of illegal border crossings today.

    JWK

    Did you know that millions of Americans do that too, who are now Ex-Pats all over the world, many of which are considered by "statists" to be "illegal" because they live off the grid? I know of some, and plan to do the same.

    There is always an influx of people all over the world, it really looks like a tangled bunch of string.

    Oh, and by the way, I do support freedom to travel freely, no papers please. Unless a crime against another person or property has been committed, you have NO business knowing who I am, where I am going, or what is in my pocket. That Natural Right which applies to ALL people is actually outlined in the 4th Amendment.

    Do you believe in Freedom, Fiscal Responsibility and Private Contract Rights? Or do you believe people should be "documented" so that they can apply for tax payer benefits down at the government office?
    Last edited by PAF; 03-06-2019 at 08:11 AM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    ”More than 76,000 migrants crossed the U.S.-Mexico border without authorization in February, breaking records for the fourth time in five months. Border enforcement authorities warned Tuesday that the border is hitting a breaking point: Government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed. The numbers from February are more than double than levels from the same period last year. “The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters.”
    Those words "without authorization" reveal the source of the problem, which is that we have laws requiring people to get authorization to cross the border, thus requiring government resources to enforce those laws. The bureaucrats tasked with that are overwhelmed by the burden these laws create. If there were no such laws, they would not be overwhelmed trying to enforce them, and we wouldn't need them at all.

    We should adopt Ron Paul's proposal of allowing people to cross the border without even having to show passports to anyone. That would instantly solve the problem.

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    Granted likes of Ann Coulter who called MAGA gov shutdown efforts for $5B Wall funding a 'scam' clearly crossed the line, if there is a genuine emergency, do POTUS/Congress under US Constitution have authority to make a "high energy" push to reroute this $38B money from foreign border emergency to America-First domestic emergency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Did you miss the 12-20 million who invaded our borders during those "decades"? Had our border been protected, as Congress promised 35 years ago in return for amnesty for 2 million illegal entrants, we wouldn't be suffering the devastating social and economic impact of illegal border crossings today.


    JWK



    Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK
    It was also an emergency the last 2 years but Trump did nothing until the people voted the democrats in the house. I think its on Trump for missing his opportunity to build the wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    .

    See
    CBP Reports Over 76,000 Unauthorized Border Crossings in February

    March 05, 2019

    ”More than 76,000 migrants crossed the U.S.-Mexico border without authorization in February, breaking records for the fourth time in five months. Border enforcement authorities warned Tuesday that the border is hitting a breaking point: Government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed. The numbers from February are more than double than levels from the same period last year. “The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters.”

    It is absolutely stunning that while our southern border is being invaded by tens of thousands of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminal foreigners from Central America, and American citizens are suffering the devastating social and economic impact of such an invasion, we have Republican members in Congress who pretend there is no invasion and refuse to assist our president in repelling said invasion.

    JWK


    It was February of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, some socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to continue the invasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.
    We are going to end up with a system far worse than Socialism and it will be brought to you with help by so called libertarians. The thing is the open border libertarians have to know this since the evidence is over overwhelming with a mountain of data proving it for years. The mainstream libertarians also seem to consistently give aid and comfort to the enemies of individual liberty to score a few virtue signalling points from the far left.

    The question is how much of the libertarian movement and their politicians are a complete sham - not who they say they are and how many libertarian politicians know the facts but are just trying to keep the gravy train flowing from the open border billionaires that fund them?



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    It was also an emergency the last 2 years but Trump did nothing until the people voted the democrats in the house. I think its on Trump for missing his opportunity to build the wall.


    So now that President Trump is trying to do something, you agree with those trying to stop him? What about our Country being overrun with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminal populations of other countries, and the devastating social and economic impact it is having on American citizens? There is always an "opportunity" to protect our borders from an ongoing invasion if those holding political power are inclined to consider the general welfare of the United States and her citizens. President Trump is trying to repel this ongoing invasion. Is he wrong for doing so?


    JWK




    American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    We are going to end up with a system far worse than Socialism and it will be brought to you with help by so called libertarians. The thing is the open border libertarians have to know this since the evidence is over overwhelming with a mountain of data proving it for years. The mainstream libertarians also seem to consistently give aid and comfort to the enemies of individual liberty to score a few virtue signalling points from the far left.

    The question is how much of the libertarian movement and their politicians are a complete sham - not who they say they are and how many libertarian politicians know the facts but are just trying to keep the gravy train flowing from the open border billionaires that fund them?

    Hmm. Let me think on this.


    @Brian4Liberty , it seems that we must BAN anybody to do with Ron Paul and the site mission, for we are the cause and preventing the real solution.

    I'll be damned, I never realized that I support keeping gravy trains flowing. Thanks for letting me know!


    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ....

    My solution is to End Incentives, which todays anti-freedom/anti-fiscal republicans refuse to mention or tweet.

    ...
    Your solution is not even close to 'enough' .

    How are you going to 'end' our Natural Incentives ?

    Turn us into a 3rd world shthole?

    Yea, that would work.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Your solution is not even close to 'enough' .

    How are you going to 'end' our Natural Incentives ?

    Turn us into a 3rd world shthole?

    Yea, that would work.



    Well golly, let me see if I can shed some light...

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for passing $1.3T globalist Omnibus.

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for banning bump stocks.

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for passing an "emergency spending bill" that funds globalist initiatives.


    With all of Trump the Almighty's glory, don't you think he'd get that same clean pass for announcing to the American People that this "CRISIS" requires executive action to at least temporarily cease Incentives???

    Or do think ALL Fiscal Conservatives who stand by Property Rights would immediately demand impeachment!?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Hmm. Let me think on this.


    @Brian4Liberty , it seems that we must BAN anybody to do with Ron Paul and the site mission, for we are the cause and preventing the real solution.

    I'll be damned, I never realized that I support keeping gravy trains flowing. Thanks for letting me know!


    I said, "how many libertarian politicians". You are a politician receiving donations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Well golly, let me see if I can shed some light...

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for passing $1.3T globalist Omnibus.

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for banning bump stocks.

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for passing an "emergency spending bill" that funds globalist initiatives.


    With all of Trump the Almighty's glory, don't you think he'd get that same clean pass for announcing to the American People that this "CRISIS" requires executive action to at least temporarily cease Incentives???

    Or do think ALL Fiscal Conservatives who stand by Property Rights would immediately demand impeachment!?
    You forgot the clean pass for putting Saudi Arabia on the road to being a nuclear power.

    That wall is the distraction that keeps on distracting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    We are going to end up with a system far worse than Socialism and it will be brought to you with help by so called libertarians. The thing is the open border libertarians have to know this since the evidence is over overwhelming with a mountain of data proving it for years. The mainstream libertarians also seem to consistently give aid and comfort to the enemies of individual liberty to score a few virtue signalling points from the far left.

    The question is how much of the libertarian movement and their politicians are a complete sham - not who they say they are and how many libertarian politicians know the facts but are just trying to keep the gravy train flowing from the open border billionaires that fund them?

    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I said, "how many libertarian politicians". You are a politician receiving donations?

    You never mentioned "politician" until the last paragraph.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Well golly, let me see if I can shed some light...

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for passing $1.3T globalist Omnibus.

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for banning bump stocks.

    Trump, the Almighty, gets a clean pass for passing an "emergency spending bill" that funds globalist initiatives.


    With all of Trump the Almighty's glory, don't you think he'd get that same clean pass for announcing to the American People that this "CRISIS" requires executive action to at least temporarily cease Incentives???

    Or do think ALL Fiscal Conservatives who stand by Property Rights would immediately demand impeachment!?
    lol


    Originally Posted by Stratovarious Your solution is not even close to 'enough' .

    How are you going to 'end' our Natural Incentives ?

    Turn us into a 3rd world shthole?

    Yea, that would work.





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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You never mentioned "politician" until the last paragraph.
    That is what you responded to and now are trying to play this game in denying it like the open border clowns here always do.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Hmm. Let me think on this.

    [MENTION=1874]..., it seems that we must BAN anybody to do with Ron Paul and the site mission, for we are the cause and preventing the real solution.

    I'll be damned, I never realized that I support keeping gravy trains flowing. Thanks for letting me know!


    Also, no where did I say anything about banning people and the site mission. It is you open border clowns that are always talking about banning people. You types have a history here as bad as the far left in trying to censor speech. So there you have two things that are not really libertarian at all.

    A proven and continual scam being perpetuated in these forums year after year by those pretending to be libertarian but with ideology that reflects the polices of the authoritarian left.

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    75k last month alone. The ones that were caught. No worries. Life's good. End entitlements or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Also, no where did I say anything about banning people and the site mission. It is you open border clowns that are always talking about banning people. You types have a history here as bad as the far left in trying to censor speech. So there you have two things that are not really libertarian at all.

    A proven and continual scam being perpetuated in these forums year after year by those pretending to be libertarian but with ideology that reflects the polices of the authoritarian left.
    No, if course you aren't talking about banning libertarians from a libertarian site. But disrupting libertarian speech certainly seems to be why you're here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No, if course you aren't talking about banning libertarians from a libertarian site. But disrupting libertarian speech certainly seems to be why you're here.
    I have not promoted banning anyone from this site, regardless of their ideology, ever. That is your game.

    I have old news for you, open borders or a policy of opposing securing the border from an invasion is not libertarian. In fact failing to secure a nations borders would result in the death of the philosophy where ever it is implemented. Pointing that out is not disrupting libertarian speech, it is defending it. It is you that promote death of the philosophy here and therefore are disrupting my libertarian speech by pointing that fact out.

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    Fox News editorial: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/forg...cies-that-work

    Forget about a border wall – Trump and Congress should agree on these immigration policies that work

    The $5 billion President Trump wants to spend on a “big beautiful border wall” is not a wise use of your hard-earned tax dollars.

    On top of that, the president was insisting Friday that he was willing to partially shut down the federal government – costing even more tax dollars – to get that $5 billion. During his election campaign, candidate Trump told us repeatedly that Mexico would pay for the wall, but Mexican officials made clear then and now that this will never happen.

    Not only are there far better and more necessary ways to boost border security, but the wall won’t win back suburban voters who deserted Republican candidates in the November midterm elections and handed control of the House of Representatives to the Democrats.

    Granted, advocating for the wall may garner votes in Republican primaries – but it will lose votes for GOP candidates in general elections. So the wall is not only bad policy – from a Republican point of view, it is bad politics.

    To be clear, border security is critical. No serious policymaker is suggesting open borders – letting everyone who wants to come to the U.S. enter our country without limit.

    President Trump’s claim that opponents of his wall are calling for open borders and want to allow gangs of rapists, murderers and terrorists to stream across our southern border to attack Americans and flood our communities with dangerous illegal drugs is hype.

    The scary images conjured up by the president are designed to create a crisis atmosphere where no crisis exists, so his wall can gain public support and so he can pressure Congress to approve funding for the wall.

    But let’s get real: There are already more than 650 miles of barriers on our southern border. Building a wall would not address needs such as: more robust training for the Border Patrol; new infrastructure and additional personnel at ports of entry; physical barriers where they make sense at key locations along the border; and a border policy that strengthens commerce and our nation’s economic competitiveness.

    The truth is that far from there being a crisis on our border, unauthorized immigration is actually down 13 percent from its peak in 2007.

    Instead of demanding his wall, President Trump should demand that Congress provide the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Office of Field Operations – which oversees immigration and commerce at the country’s 328 ports of entry – with funds for more staffing.

    CBP is short at least 1,100 officers at ports of entry, the Government Accountability Office reported earlier this year.

    A wall won’t halt the flow of illegal drugs at ports of entry. Despite what the president tweets, CBP statistics show that 81 percent of hard drugs intercepted along the southwest border between 2012 and 2016 were seized at ports of entry.

    Last year, CBP seized 118,021 pounds of cocaine, heroin, meth and fentanyl at ports of entry, compared with 20,000 pounds seized between ports.

    In other words: you can build a wall to the sky, but it won’t stop drugs from getting into our communities.

    And understaffing at ports of entry is not only a security problem. It is also an economic one.

    CBP estimated in 2014 that every additional individual field officer at a port of entry would result in annual benefits of $2 million to America’s gross domestic product.

    The added flow of commerce for each additional field officers would yield $640,000 saved in opportunity costs and create 33 new jobs.

    Intelligent border security could be the foundation for a sensible compromise that President Trump could forge with congressional Republicans and Democrats to advance America’s security and economic interests – and perhaps even unite us.

    Such a deal also could encourage economic growth by making it easier for talented innovators and graduates with advanced degrees to come to the U.S. and stay here.

    As the global battle for talent intensifies, we need legal ways for more entrepreneurs from around the world to set up shop here in America.

    We also need paths for more individuals such as skilled farmworkers and construction laborers to fill positions that will boost economic growth. Both political parties want a strong economy, and a sound legal immigration process is core to that pursuit.

    Men, women and children don’t flee their homelands unless their situation is untenable. As part of an immigration deal, the U.S. should increase its investment in the security and economic development of Central American countries to discourage people from fleeing in the first place.

    At the same time, drawing on our compassion and respect for human dignity – not to mention U.S. and international law – we should welcome refugees and hear the claims of asylum seekers. American leadership should include moral leadership.

    Finally, undocumented men and women who are working hard and contributing to America – starting with Dreamers brought here as children and people with temporary protected status – should have a way to earn full legalized status and eventual citizenship. It’s the right thing to do morally and politically, and it’s in the best interest of our economy and our security.

    Instead of using a battle over wall funding to continue to polarize us, President Trump and Congress should start the era of divided government that begins in January by coming together and solving major challenges.

    The president just scored a major victory by working with Republicans and Democrats to pass criminal justice reform in the First Step Act. With some foresight and deal-making, he could do the same on immigration.
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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    No one believes that pile of garbage. The average voters are extremely pissed about border. If elections were held today the libertarian wing would be completely routed over this including Rand whether right or wrong on Presidential powers. Yet is perceived by the voters that they are still running around using cuck language and virtue signaling one another like it is years ago.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I have not promoted banning anyone from this site, regardless of their ideology, ever. That is your game.

    I have old news for you, open borders or a policy of opposing securing the border from an invasion is not libertarian. In fact failing to secure a nations borders would result in the death of the philosophy where ever it is implemented. Pointing that out is not disrupting libertarian speech, it is defending it. It is you that promote death of the philosophy here and therefore are disrupting my libertarian speech by pointing that fact out.
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    No one believes that pile of garbage. The average voters are extremely pissed about border. If elections were held today the libertarian wing would be completely routed over this including Rand whether right or wrong on Presidential powers. Yet is perceived by the voters that they are still running around using cuck language and virtue signaling one another like it is years ago.
    Either you're the only libertarian here, or the voters will defeat us libertarians because they all agree with you instead.

    Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

    If you wanted to be honest, you'd admit neither is true. If you wanted to be honest.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-06-2019 at 01:43 PM.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    No one believes that pile of garbage. The average voters are extremely pissed about border. If elections were held today the libertarian wing would be completely routed over this including Rand whether right or wrong on Presidential powers. Yet they are still running around using cuck language and virtue signaling one another like it is years ago.
    Average REPUBLICAN voters, maybe. The average voter, no. Fear is selling. At least to the target audience. Governments love to use fear to gain more powers. And people like you want to give it to them.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/...rder-wall.aspx

    Solid Majority Still Opposes New Construction on Border Wall

    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sixty percent of Americans oppose major new construction of walls along the U.S.-Mexico border -- the goal behind President Donald Trump's budget showdown with Democratic leaders that led to a record 35-day partial shutdown of the federal government.

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    60% oppose significant new construction on border walls
    57% opposed it in June, as the issue heated up ahead of midterm elections
    81% support a path to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally
    Perhaps as a result of the heightened political attention given to the issue of immigration, the percentage saying they feel strongly one way or another about expanding the walls has increased since last June's poll -- from 58% to 65%. More of that increase has come in strong opposition (five points) than in strong support (two points).
    Nineteen percent say that the border is the most important issue for them. (all voters). 35% say government/ poor leadership is the biggest issue.



    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ort-wall-poll/

    Trump fails to win support for border wall, new Quinnipiac poll finds


    President Trump has failed to convince Americans of the need for his border wall emergency declaration, according to a new poll Wednesday that found they oppose his move by two-to-one.

    Asked specifically about the need for a wall, the country is skeptical, with 55 percent opposed, the Quinnipiac University Poll found.

    Then asked about the president’s emergency move, which siphons money from the Pentagon to build more wall without new congressional approval, a staggering 66 percent give it a thumbs-down.

    ‘We didn’t want it in the first place and we certainly don’t want it built by emergency executive order,’ say wall-weary voters in big numbers,” said Tim Malloy, the poll’s assistant director.

    There is a curious gender gap in views about the need for the wall. Men are slightly in favor, 49 percent to 47 percent. But women are overwhelmingly opposed, 62 percent to 34 percent.
    More at links.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Average REPUBLICAN voters, maybe. The average voter, no. Fear is selling. At least to the target audience.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ort-wall-poll/

    More at links.
    I agree in bold to be specific. The same base of voters that the libertarian wing of the Republican party needs to win elections.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    No one believes that pile of garbage. The average voters are extremely pissed about border. If elections were held today the libertarian wing would be completely routed over this including Rand whether right or wrong on Presidential powers. Yet is perceived by the voters that they are still running around using cuck language and virtue signaling one another like it is years ago.
    They why did Democrats do better than Republicans in the election that just happened?

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I agree in bold to be specific. The same base of voters that the libertarian wing of the Republican party needs to win elections.
    What the libertarian wing of the GOP needs is to not be screwed at the convention so we can prove we can win a general election.

    Kissing the asses of xenophobes is unlikely to help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    They why did Democrats do better than Republicans in the election that just happened?
    Are you asking questions the Klingon can't answer? Prepare to be accused of censorship.

    Isn't shutting someone the hell up always considered censorship?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-06-2019 at 01:48 PM.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I agree in bold to be specific. The same base of voters that the libertarian wing of the Republican party needs to win elections.
    Ron Paul opposes Trump's wall. Rand Paul opposes Trump's bid to grab more power in violation of the Constitution.


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    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    They why did Democrats do better than Republicans in the election that just happened?

    Now just quit with the reason and logic, man! It soooo gets in the way of fear mongering propaganda.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Governments love to use fear to gain more powers. And people like you want to give it to them.
    Yes, they do. Worked for Obamacare....
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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