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    Thumbs up Rand Paul to introduce bill to end the Afghan war


    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1102937566955950081

    Rand is kicking ass!



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    GOOD!

    Unfortunately I don't think it will pass but we need to try anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    GOOD!

    Unfortunately I don't think it will pass but we need to try anyway.

    Have you contacted your senator to support this yet? I have.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    He's on fox next! Hurry hurry hurry. (7:15 ET)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Have you contacted your senator to support this yet? I have.
    I will, is there a link to a petition by Rand or the John Birch Society etc. to make it easier for everyone who reads this?
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    Rand Paul "coming up" on Fox news' Martha McCallum's show - next I think.

    "$50 Billion in savings per year"!
    Last edited by Valli6; 03-05-2019 at 06:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will, is there a link to a petition by Rand or the John Birch Society etc. to make it easier for everyone who reads this?
    Not that I am aware of, I have been reading house bills all day and have not had a chance to do much else.

    When I called Toomey's office I simply told them I wanted Toomey to Stand with Rand to End the Afghan War. I also told his office that if Toomey writes or co-sponsors ANY gun legislation that I would make it known and NOT vote for him next time around. Toomey is a snake.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    @Swordsmyth

    PS, if you dig something up please post it :-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    @Swordsmyth

    PS, if you dig something up please post it :-)
    I will, I hope The New American will have a JBS link when I go there.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Did i miss Rand? Can someone post it?

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    Rand starts @1:45
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will, I hope The New American will have a JBS link when I go there.
    It hasn't been assigned a number yet since it's just being introduced, but here it is:

    https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/sen...ar-afghanistan
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    I can't get these dang things to imbed here. Try this....

    https://www.abcfoxmontana.com/nation...6b2f6a54f.html

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and Sen. Tom Udall (D-NM) discuss new legislation introduced that would effectively end the US war in Afghanistan.
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    I need a youtube Ron. Anyone post the youtube of Rand on fox?

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    Huge! Wish Walter Jones was alive to be apart of this.



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    Paul and Udall were on The Lead with Jake Tapper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Huge! Wish Walter Jones was alive to be apart of this.
    Rand should dedicate it to him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    In the house the bill is called the Walter B Jones memorial bill i think i read that somewhere..

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    If you just move people around to other locations, how much money are you actually saving?

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...nuses-to-vets/

    A plan to end Afghanistan War: Declare victory and give $2,500 bonuses to vets

    WASHINGTON — Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is proposing giving all Iraq and Afghanistan veterans a one-time $2,500 payout and declaring victory in Afghanistan in what he is billing a cost-saving move for America.

    “It’s important to know when it’s time to declare victory and leave a war,” the Republican said in a Facebook video posted Tuesday morning. “I think that time is long past.”

    Paul, a Republican lawmaker known for his libertarian views and tense relationship with party leadership, said the payout to veterans would cost taxpayers more than $7 billion, but it would also be “an immediate savings of 83 percent when compared to the current yearly cost of nation building.”

    Pentagon estimates put the total costs of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 at around $6 trillion. Paul said ongoing overseas missions in the global war on terror total more than $50 billion annually.

    “We don’t need to be wasting that $50 billion, and there is no doubt much of it is wasted,” he said. “When are they (the Afghanistan government) going to pay for their own stuff? Why does Uncle Sam have to be Uncle Sap and pay for everything?”
    “It’s time to declare our mission over and the war won,” he said. “It’s time to build here and not there.”
    True you would save on "hazardous duty" pay- unless they went to another conflict zone like Iraq. There would be large one- time costs of moving everything you want out of the country. What exactly has been "won"?


    https://taskandpurpose.com/rand-paul...-victory-bonus

    On Tuesday, the Kentucky Republican announced his intent to introduce new legislation this week "to end a war that should have ended long ago" in a video message published to his Facebook page.

    "I supported going to war in Afghanistan in 2001, attacking those who harbored the 9/11 terrorists or helped to organize the attack ... and going after al-Qaeda," Paul said. "But we are many, many years past that mission. We have turned to nation-building at the cost of more than $50 billion spent a year in Afghanistan."

    "It's important when to know to declare victory and leave a war," he added. "I think that time is long past, but I think we can all agree that time has come."

    And that's exactly what Paul's new legislation, titled the AFGHAN Service Act, would do: declare "victory" in Afghanistan. After all, Paul says, "Osama bin Laden was killed eight years ago ... [ and Pentagon officials] say al-Qaeda is nearly wiped out."
    "Declare victory" in Afghanistan brings this image to mind:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If you just move people around to other locations, how much money are you actually saving?

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...nuses-to-vets/





    True you would save on "hazardous duty" pay- unless they went to another conflict zone like Iraq. There would be large one- time costs of moving everything you want out of the country. What exactly has been "won"?


    https://taskandpurpose.com/rand-paul...-victory-bonus



    "Declare victory" in Afghanistan brings this image to mind:

    LOL

    If we keep ending wars there won't be any to send them to.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    If we keep ending wars there won't be any to send them to.
    If you keep them in the military, they are still getting paid. Even if they are in the US. Only "hazard pay" bonuses may be lower. Trump wants even more money for the military than the most recent budget allowed so are we saving any money?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If you keep them in the military, they are still getting paid. Even if they are in the US. Only "hazard pay" bonuses may be lower. Trump wants even more money for the military than the most recent budget allowed so are we saving any money?
    Yes, there are lots of ways that it costs extra to deploy them abroad.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, there are lots of ways that it costs extra to deploy them abroad.
    So is anybody suggesting cutting the defense budget? I am not hearing anybody. That means that taxpayers will save nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So is anybody suggesting cutting the defense budget? I am not hearing anybody. That means that taxpayers will save nothing.
    It will be easier to suggest that when they have been brought home and people like you can't scream that the cuts will leave the troops high and dry without the money they need.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Should expedite that bill.




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