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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    What's surprising about that? When he was a candidate maybe Trump left some question about whether or not he would be sufficiently zionist. But since getting elected he's proven to be one of the most ardent allies of their cause. Whatever doubts they had about him, he's more than covered over by now.
    A lot of this is not surprising to us since we have been weary of the power Israel has over our own media, all branches of government, and especially our foreign policy, but it's most surprising because the "Trump is 'Hitler', Trump is a 'Nazi', Trump is a 'dictator' MSM pro Israeli lobby has been pushing these notions since he announced he was running, but I guess they are preparing for or are ready to fold up both the MSM and the Congress in order to take a whack at him.

    This battle is continuing to intensify as we speak. Congress is literally in the process now in making resolutions against Omar:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ar-controversy



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    That shouldn't be surprising though. Trumps always been a huge supporter of Israel.
    Yes he has, that is true. It's the arrangements of the chess pieces that is interesting.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    No other ideology has killed so many people so fast.
    No other ideology has been more misrepresented and misunderstood..

    There has never been a Communist country
    ,,ever. There is a lot of communist sounding rhetoric used by megalomaniacs that incite crowds.. Nationalism and Religion are also similar tools,,often and commonly used.

    the mere mention of "communism" is a Red Flag,,that sends many into Religious or Nationalist fits of panic.

    Great for inciting crowds of the ignorant.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Champuckett View Post
    Again, why is it the socialist, along with Omar, the only ones to stand up to the Israeli lobby crap?
    It's strange no doubt.

    As strange as American Jews support of the old USSR, while within the USSR, Jews were persecuted unmercifully.

    Don't ask me to figure it out...

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It's strange no doubt.

    As strange as American Jews support of the old USSR, while within the USSR, Jews were persecuted unmercifully.

    Don't ask me to figure it out...
    The enemy of my enemy... Pandering to certain classes.

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    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It's strange no doubt.

    As strange as American Jews support of the old USSR, while within the USSR, Jews were persecuted unmercifully.

    Don't ask me to figure it out...
    I'm also trying to wrap my head around what is happening. If someone wants to lay out what and why this is happening in the manner that it is, I am all ears.

    It could simply be a case of members of the asylum being let loose and now trying to run the asylum with Cortez, Tlaib, and Omar. They want inclusivity and outside voices to stand united in diversity against evil Trump, but now that they did that, those same members are tearing apart everything in literal weeks. So now we are seeing scandals and resolutions being raised in rapid response.

    The problem is, when you look at what is happening abroad right now in Israel, the "just accept it for what it is" is starting to wear thin.

  9. #37
    Like the busted up clock that is right twice a day, I doubt she even understands why she is right on this. She's probably just opposing the neocons because it's the other team.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Like the busted up clock that is right twice a day, I doubt she even understands why she is right on this. She's probably just opposing the neocons because it's the other team.
    She just pi$$ed off half of her entire party. She'll learn how the media, and her party, are just superficial. They'll turn on her - its happening right now. They're working on Trump's second term.

    Gulag Chief:
    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"



  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Ok so she's a socialist so what. Right there she's already shown more balls than any other congress creature except Rand.

    She took on Rep. Juan Vargas in a Tweet:





    ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ CALLS ON LEADERS TO DENOUNCE 'BLATANT' ISLAMOPHOBIC ATTACKS ON ILHAN OMAR
    https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-...n-omar-1350023


    Last month she claimed to be a puerto rican jew so whatever she is up too I would not trust her .
    Do something Danke

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Last month she claimed to be a puerto rican jew so whatever she is up too I would not trust her .
    The reason I don't trust her is because she's a commie. Whether she has some Jewish background or not doesn't affect that (though if she's lying about it for political gain, that does).

    There are plenty of Jews out there who are not zionists, and who agree with criticisms of the Israel lobby, and with criticisms of Israel's mistreatments of Palestinians, such as the criticisms made by AOC and Omar. The fact that they happen to be Jews is no reason not to trust them.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The reason I don't trust her is because she's a commie. Whether she has some Jewish background or not doesn't affect that (though if she's lying about it for political gain, that does).

    There are plenty of Jews out there who are not zionists, and who agree with criticisms of the Israel lobby, and with criticisms of Israel's mistreatments of Palestinians, such as the criticisms made by AOC and Omar. The fact that they happen to be Jews is no reason not to trust them.
    I think she is a commie and a liar .
    Do something Danke

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Champuckett View Post
    A lot of this is not surprising to us since we have been weary of the power Israel has over our own media, all branches of government, and especially our foreign policy, but it's most surprising because the "Trump is 'Hitler', Trump is a 'Nazi', Trump is a 'dictator' MSM pro Israeli lobby has been pushing these notions since he announced he was running, but I guess they are preparing for or are ready to fold up both the MSM and the Congress in order to take a whack at him.

    This battle is continuing to intensify as we speak. Congress is literally in the process now in making resolutions against Omar:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ar-controversy
    The 'Power' they have in the media has prove completely useless, yet Trump
    continues to lick the boot.
    Putting Israel first has put America Last.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Agreed.

    Hell, I'm sure that before we know it she'll be up there passionately defending free markets and the 2nd Amendment.
    She's coming around!
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No other ideology has been more misrepresented and misunderstood..

    There has never been a Communist country
    ,,ever. There is a lot of communist sounding rhetoric used by megalomaniacs that incite crowds.. Nationalism and Religion are also similar tools,,often and commonly used.

    the mere mention of "communism" is a Red Flag,,that sends many into Religious or Nationalist fits of panic.

    Great for inciting crowds of the ignorant.
    LOL

    "That wasn't real communism"
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    "That wasn't real communism"
    and this ain't close to a free republic.

    More blood has been spilled fighting this vaporous boogieman than fighting for resources.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I think she is a commie and a liar .
    that's redundant.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  20. #47
    She's probably thinking, they cant attack me anymore than they have.

    Might as well drop the defacto ban on criticizing izrael or AIPAC.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

  21. #48
    If only most of our politicians didn't have dual-citizenship with Israel, then maybe they'd start criticizing them. But alas, they do not.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    If only most of our politicians didn't have dual-citizenship with Israel, then maybe they'd start criticizing them. But alas, they do not.
    Can you provide a good source to substantiate the claim that most of our politicians have dual-citizenship with Israel?

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Can you provide a good source to substantiate the claim that most of our politicians have dual-citizenship with Israel?
    "Honorary" citizenship
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    At least she has the sex appeal of a lemur.
    We all have our kinks.
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  26. #52
    When Will the Goyim Learn?

    https://www.takimag.com/article/when...e-goyim-learn/

    by Christopher DeGroot

    March 08, 2019

    Just as many men still fail to understand that to criticize women or to disagree with them is misogynistic by definition, so many people, even in 2019, still think that one can criticize Israel, or question Jewish influence on U.S. foreign policy, without being anti-Semitic. Some way to treat God’s chosen people! How many Goldberg reviews will it take for the ungrateful goyim to learn?

    The latest anti-Semitism controversy was started by Rep. Ilhan Omar. “It’s all about the Benjamins,” the pesky brown woman tweeted on Feb. 10. People were charmed, of course, by the reference to P. Diddy’s celebrated work of high culture, but the implication that U.S. foreign policy on Israel is determined by Jewish lobbyists was proof of Omar’s wickedness.

    Then, on March 3, Omar plunged another knife into enlightened hearts. “Our democracy is built on debate….” she tweeted. “I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve my country in Congress or serve on committee.”

    Happily, the good men and women of Congress know better, and accordingly, back on Jan. 3, Sen. Marco Rubio made sure to sponsor a bill that advocates punishing any U.S. company or contractor that boycotts Israel.

    Needless to say, there were haters and spoilsports, as there always are when it comes to progress.

    “By all means, opponents of boycotting Israel should be heard—but so should their opponents,” wrote Sen. Rand Paul. “Legislation to end boycotts goes against the very principles America was founded upon.”

    “It’s absurd,” remarked Sen. Bernie Sanders, “that the first bill during the shutdown is legislation which punishes Americans who exercise their constitutional right to engage in political activity.”

    “They forgot what country they represent,” said Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaiband, who thinks “a refresher on our U.S. Constitution is in order.”

    In response, Senator Rubio displayed his characteristic heroism: “This ‘dual loyalty’ canard is a typical anti-Semitic line,” he tweeted. “#BDS [Boycotts, Divestments and Sanctions] isn’t about freedom & equality, it’s about destroying #Israel.”

    A cynical realist might say that what the Jews and the Palestinians each want is power, and that therefore they have long been committed to destroying each other. The billions the U.S. gives Israel every year, he might add, has less to do with concern for the Israelis, human rights, or any other lofty thing, than with keeping wealthy political donors happy and maintaining power over geopolitical rivals and threats in the Middle East.

    These are complicated subjects, but luckily, contra Ilhan Omar, they need not be debated. We can simply look to David Marcus of The Federalist for a model of how to deal with the situation. Regarding Omar’s claim that “Jews are using their money to buy off the American government’s support of Israel,” Marcus writes:

    This claim is absurd on its face and makes reference to centuries-old claims that greedy Jews are subverting decent society with their big bags of shekels.

    The second claim is that American Jews who support Israel are engaged in dual loyalty. That their real allegiance is not to the United States but to Israel and Judaism. This is also an ancient and disquieting claim, one that Nazis used to great effect in convincing Germans that Jews weren’t really on their side.

    Neither of these vicious and pernicious claims has the slightest thing to do with actual American policy towards Israel—a subject on which Omar and Ocasio-Cortez are oddly quiet, for all their cackling about Jewish influence. Rather, they are blatant attacks on Jews that claim they are not acting in good faith.

    Marcus, you see, doesn’t make a substantive argument. He merely tells us that Omar’s claim is “absurd on its face” and references evil stereotypes about Jews. Strung-together assertions, emotionally charged historical references, criticism reduced to racist attack—this is real journalism, not to mention a fine example for our politicians.

    Also admirable is Marcus’ acute awareness that truth is determined by group identity:

    As bad as the anti-Semitism itself is, arguably worse is that they are telling Jews that it isn’t. They are arrogantly claiming to understand what anti-Semitism is better than Jews do themselves.

    Who gets to decide what is anti-Semitic? Who gets to decide what is racist, or sexist? Do the targets of the slurs and attacks get any say in this? If a black person tells a white person she said something racist and hurtful, is it appropriate to say, “That’s just a metaphor, and by the way my broader point is correct?” It obviously is not, and that’s something that Omar and AOC would undoubtedly agree with.

    Marcus has a habit of using that word “obviously,” and of making assertions about what things are prima facie. A generous man, Marcus spares readers the hard work of thinking, even as he affirms the intersectional insight that intent, context, and objectivity are all irrelevant. For again, truth is determined by our subjective, emotional responses to things. Thus, a person who wants to ask, “Why is it that Congress wouldn’t spend $4 billion for a wall to stop the invasion of our southern border, but voted to give $40 billion to Israel over ten years?” must realize that “they are arrogantly claiming to understand what anti-Semitism is better than Jews do themselves.”

    Writing in The American Conservative, Kelley Beaucar Vlahos notes that

    Rubio’s is the weakest of all the proposed anti-boycott bills to come down the congressional pike…in that it merely gives cover to state and local governments that want to punish entities that engage in the anti-Israel protest…. 26 states now have measures that require them to deny contracts to and divest from any companies that are involved in BDS.

    That only about half the Union sees fit to subordinate the Constitution to Israel is evidence that America is far from being made great again. Get to work, Javarnka!

    In better news, senators Ben Cardin and Rob Portman have provided the best pro-Israel legislation to date. In Vlahos’ words:

    Their proposal targets individuals, not just companies, so it could be much more dangerous. They even tried, unsuccessfully, to sneak it into the package of spending bills aiming to avoid the shutdown in December. The Israel Anti-Boycott Act focuses on expanding the 1979 Export Administration Act to prohibit any U.S. person involved in “interstate or foreign commerce” from engaging in “any boycott fostered or imposed by any international governmental organization against Israel.”

    The bill suggests that a non-binding 2016 United Nations Human Rights Council resolution supporting BDS stands in for the offending “international governmental organization.” From there it wouldn’t be difficult to see how this law could affect anyone remotely involved in the boycott. An earlier iteration involved prison time for violators. The sponsors have since softened it with an amendment, taking away jail time but imposing financial fines. But adding that nothing in their bill “shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment,” doesn’t necessarily make it so.

    Of course, one must make allowance for Ms. Vlahos’ deplorable bias; that is, her concern for American liberties and interests.

    Human resources departments across the land now require employees to pledge their faith in equality, diversity, and other impassioned delusions. In just the same way, let’s hope, blind allegiance to Israel will soon be required of all American citizens. Nor is reading John Podhoretz, or “prison time,” too harsh a penalty for heretics.

    On Wednesday, Speaker Pelosi met with Democrat Representatives behind closed doors. It’s difficult to believe, given the overwhelming presence of the fair sex, that the ostensibly strategic meeting quickly degenerated into a complaint session, and yet that is apparently what happened. Although black women are well-known for their temperance and gentleness, it’s said that a few were downright confrontational with poor Pelosi.

    Typical was Rep. Ayanna Pressley, who emphasized the need for “equity in our outrage,” a conviction she drove home seconds later with her trademark resting bitter face.

    “Islamophobia needs to be included” in the anti-Semitism resolution, she told some sycophants working as reporters later, adding, with her knack for cliché, “We need to denounce all forms of hate. There is no hierarchy of hurt.”

    Indeed, for since Omar is a Muslim, it follows that the criticism she received was motivated by Islamophobia. Nor did it go unnoticed that Omar has dark skin, being from Somalia, and that she is therefore a victim of racism, too.

    Things seemed to be getting quite out of hand, as if the identity-politics Democrats were sleeping on a volcano, when Rep. Cedric Richmond offered his two cents. Why, he asked, were they calling for a resolution against bigotry when there were more important matters to attend to, such as the treatment of young black men by the police?

    Still, it was a sympathetic point, as the only way to end the school-to-prison pipeline is to stop making young black men accountable for their singularly violent actions.

    In an interview after the meeting, Rep. Raúl Grijalva said of all the controversy concerning Omar, “What would be the appropriate level of punishment—a public flogging?” Ah, if only all goyim were so forward-thinking!

    “It is shameful that House Democrats won’t take a stronger stand against Anti-Semitism in their conference,” tweeted Prostitute-in-Chief Donald Trump. “Anti-Semitism has fueled atrocities throughout history and it’s inconceivable they will not act to condemn it!”

    Anyway, on Thursday the House of Representatives managed to pass a resolution that condemns anti-Semitism while being as inclusive of other groups’ sacrosanct resentments as possible. The highlight of the resolution is that it describes the many evils caused by “white supremacists,” but does not mention white people as victims of discrimination, save for “when the loyalty of President John F. Kennedy was questioned because of his Catholic faith.”

  27. #53
    Meghan McCain thinks it's 'Really, Really (REALLY) Scary'


    https://twitter.com/walid970721/stat...53188519137280

  28. #54
    I can't stand 'OAC' (New name)

    This is the stance that everyone that has been intimidated into recanting their criticism
    of Israel, stand up for what you believe , defend you position, particularly when you
    are right.
    Israel has been intimidating the world for 74 years with these three little 'gottchas' ;

    Anti Semite
    Holocaust
    We have a right to exist (but our neighbors don't)

    Boycott Israel , boycott anyone you choose to boycott.

    We should cut all aid to Israel until 'the band of thieves' gives back the land they robbed and
    end their WAR CRIMES.

    Shame on Trump for putting Israel ahead of the US and above the law.

  29. #55
    HAHAHA.... the hits keep comin...
    (this new State spox is way moare amusing than the heather bot. )


    https://twitter.com/walid970721/stat...91892411383809

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Meghan McCain thinks it's 'Really, Really (REALLY) Scary'


    https://twitter.com/walid970721/stat...53188519137280

    https://twitter.com/elivalley/status...23152651313152
    Eli laughs at the goyim. hahaha



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  32. #57
    stay vigilant trust no one keep yer antennae up




    https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/sta...27435984252928

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I can't stand 'OAC' (New name)

    This is the stance that everyone that has been intimidated into recanting their criticism
    of Israel, stand up for what you believe , defend you position, particularly when you
    are right.
    Israel has been intimidating the world for 74 years with these three little 'gottchas' ;

    Anti Semite
    Holocaust
    We have a right to exist (but our neighbors don't)

    Boycott Israel , boycott anyone you choose to boycott.

    We should cut all aid to Israel until 'the band of thieves' gives back the land they robbed and
    end their WAR CRIMES.

    Shame on Trump for putting Israel ahead of the US and above the law.
    .............

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” Cicero


    His name was Seth Rich.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    .............
    Cicero is great , but 'what' is your application with it ?

  35. #60
    4 major lessons from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's titanic upset in New York
    Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
    Wed June 27, 2018


    Related

    Shame on Dems that it took them 15 years to vote out a politician who had voted for the biggest blunder in US history (Iraqi Freedom War) even if he was a champion of our closest ally & only non-racist democracy in mideast.
    Wonder how much role voters' disgust with recent massacre of civilians in open air camp in mideast with US tax payers funded weapons played in this election upset.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the insurgent firebrand who Tuesday toppled the No. 4 Democrat in the House of Representatives, is a strong critic of Israel who denounced the killings of Palestinian protesters as a “massacre.”

    June 26, 2018 By Dave Goldiner
    This is a massacre.
    I hope my peers have the moral courage to call it such.
    No state or entity is absolved of mass shootings of protesters. There is no justification. Palestinian people deserve basic human dignity, as anyone else.
    Democrats can’t be silent about this anymore. https://t.co/wJGATOtDsR— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) May 14, 2018



    Ocasio-Cortez, 28, stunned the political world by decisively beating Joe Crowley, a Queens powerbroker who had been mentioned as a possible future candidate for Speaker of the House.
    With about 90% of precincts reporting, Ocasio-Cortez was ahead by 58%-to-42%, making Crowley the first incumbent Democrat to lose his seat this year.

    “Especially in New York people say this is political suicide,” Ocasio-Cortez told Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept, referring to her criticism of Israel. “But I had a lot of my constituents thanking me for taking that position. I had a lot of Jewish Americans who thanked me.”

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/404...rowley-israel/

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