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“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Hey, welcome to the New and "Improved" Ron Paul Revolution, where principles and CONstitutional limitations are all well and good until they get in the way of desired outcomes. Then they and anyone demanding adherence to them can be thrown under the bus in the name of expediency and being "realistic."
Quit being sch a doe-eyed idealst and chasing your impractical, unrealistic utopian vision of liberty.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Has the political atmosphere in this nation ever been so polarized since the Civil War? Honest question.
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I will state again...
If we were engaged in actual war declared by Congress of the people, major typhoons shredding across the land, a meteor that would impact the continent... a true "emergency"...
But since this president, or republicans (certainly when they had control), has not called for an End to Incentives before or during this so-called "crisis", to me this is nothing but setting precedent and preparing to line the pockets of the Police-State-Industrial-Complex.
They get enough of my money, I am sick of my Rights and Freedoms continuing to be taken in the name of "government help me save me take more money from me".
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Even using the War Power Act, the President would need Congressional approval to use the troops for more than 60 days. But that's so they'd have a chance to authorize it. Congress has already had a chance to authorize this action and they didn't do it. Giving the Executive the additional authority to declare an emergency to over-ride Congressional authority basically gives the Executive a blank check to do whatever they want, regardless of any Congressional oversight.
I mean, you're using circular logic to get something that you think you want. But there'll be nothing to stop the next guy. So, you really shouldn't complain about it - you wanted it that way.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
No. I am saying that the court claiming that something is constitutional doesn't make it so.
Rand did not take an oath to uphold court rulings, he took an oath to uphold the Constitution.
It is a fact that Trump's national emergency declaration is unconstitutional. Even if a court ruled otherwise it wouldn't change that fact.
But but but if we just teach free markets and democracy South America, Africa, Asia would be a free market liberty loving paradise!....and Chicago too! /s
The caravan of mostly military aged males is a clear danger to our citizens and needs dealt with. Time is running out. People need to wake up and live in THE REAL WORLD. If we arent pragmatic an Austrian Utopia will never exist. Our founders would be ashamed of how liberals, libertines, commies etc have taken this nation down
Indeed there is an emergency--if they keep on coming in, it won't be long before we are in the situation that Venezuela is in or France. The democrats are making sure the illegals have everything they need, off the backs of the citizens. Of course that is the agenda. This should be clear to many people, unfortunately hatred blinds many.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Which is why I respect him and say he is the best statesman in Washington.
Unfortunately, in this political climate, with the weaponizing of the media and alphabet agencies against Conservative principles and traditional values, playing by the rules went out the window a long time ago. It’s honorable to defend the life of a victim who has a gun pointed to their head with a sheet of paper and pointing to laws, but sometimes you need to bring a bigger gun in order save their life.
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
The road to tyranny has, to date, been paved with scraps of the constitution which have been torn out in the name of expediency.
There is no reason at all to assume they'll start paving that road with something else.
The U.S. system used to be the best on earth. Poking holes in the constitution has not improved it. Not even once. Poking more holes in the constitution to see if that improves it is the definition of insanity.
He doesn't have to use the War Powers Act he is using the National Emergency Act. But the part of the Constitution I posted was to answer another question. So if you put what I said in context then you would see that it is not what I said, it is what Congress has allowed and abdicated. These are the loopholes President Trump is using to circumvent the nasty democrats.
If people in congress want to stop it, then they need to do so. You projecting things at me as though I have the power to do these things. I am just point out why I think Rand is wrong in this regard.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Congress does not have the authority to delegate to the president what the Constitution requires to be done by Congress. That would take a constitutional amendment.
Moreover, you keep claiming that Congress passed a law giving the president this authority, but you have not been able to find anywhere written in the law that this is the case.
Why do you keep claiming this, as if you know it to be true, when you actually are not aware of any evidence to support your claim?
Donnay go play with mike adams maybe he can help your crappy website.
TER, swordsmyth and i got this
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