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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You certainly managed to cram a hell of a lot of collectivism in that one little post.

    Did you know the more you publicly trash them, the less they'll read our good ideas and learn from them? What am I saying? Of course you do.
    When the polling data shows immigrants time and time again will vote against our Constitutional rights it is moronic to ignore it. Stating facts is not trashing, however referring to groups of people as "them" like you did some say that is a slur.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    There is absolutely zero chance of this happening after what Rand did today. He is getting savaged everywhere from the same Republican voters he needs to get elected and they will likely remember it.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    When the polling data shows immigrants time and time again will vote against our Constitutional rights it is moronic to ignore it. Stating facts is not trashing, however referring to groups of people as "them" like you did some say that is a slur.
    Do you want to know what's moronic? Let me enlighten you. Moronic behavior is grousing about how immigrants might vote someday while our own children are being indoctrinated with communism in a manner so effective no foreign school system could hope to compete with it.

    That is moronic behavior. Just about as moronic as cramming posts full of collectivism, then pointing fingers over the use of one innocent pronoun.

    'There are among us a great mass of people who have been reared for generations under a government of tyranny and oppression. It is ingrained in their blood that there is no other form of government. They are disposed and inclined to think our institutions partake of the same nature as these they have left behind. We know they are wrong. They must be shown they are wrong.'--Calvin Coolidge
    Who do we have left who is capable of teaching them? And can we not help our own people at the same time?

    Who is the moron? The person who thinks people foreign and domestic can learn a better way, and teaching them is a better cure? Or the person who let's the media circus distract them from that important work?

    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    There is absolutely zero chance of this happening after what Rand did today. He is getting savaged everywhere from the same Republican voters he needs to get elected and they will likely remember it.
    Nobody will remember this next month but the white nationalists and the constitutionalists. And the fact that the WNs disapprove would get him more votes, not less.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-04-2019 at 06:26 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  6. #34
    Of course we all know that the white nationals know what poison they are, and like to hang out with the supporters of their enemies just to make them look guilty by association. But I don't give much credit for that.

    Those other collectivists taught them how to do it. You know the ones I mean. The liberals.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  7. #35

    Post Bushbot Trumpkins - Headed for the Ash Heap of History

    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    There is absolutely zero chance of this happening after what Rand did today. He is getting savaged everywhere from the same Republican voters he needs to get elected and they will likely remember it.
    All your bases R belong to us, mark your time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    DACA S**thole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    LMAO , now it's a 'Constitutional thing' with you . ''It's the right thing to do''
    Notice how that "you" in your words could apply not just to me, but also to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, and everyone who supports this website's mission.

    So then where do you fit in? Are you just here to troll?

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    LMAO , now it's a 'Constitutional thing' with you . ''It's the right thing to do''


    Good lord do you deliver.

    A violation of the constitution is a violation of the constitution. And the more of those Republicans get away with now, the more Democrats get away with later. That's called 'precedence'.

    I thought the danger of Democrats getting away with even more $#@! later was what got your blood pressure up in the first place.

    All you want to do is find a way to jump from the frying pan to the fire.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    This is an "emergency" declaration. The keyword being "emergency".
    If the President can spend money however he wants, and it takes a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress to override the President's self-appropriations, then why have Congress at all?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If the President can spend money however he wants, and it takes a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress to override the President's self-appropriations, then why have Congress at all?

    It looks better.
    Chris

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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If the President can spend money however he wants, and it takes a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress to override the President's self-appropriations, then why have Congress at all?
    I do not believe the President should have that power unless it is an "emergency" in time of war which includes defending our borders from an invasion which is what we have.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I do not believe the President should have that power unless it is an "emergency" in time of war which includes defending our borders from an invasion which is what we have.
    It's not the President's job to be the judge of "time of war" either.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This makes me so proud.

    Rand is going to get attacked so hard on so many sides for this. And he's doing it anyway.
    I hope this doesn't mean he doesn't get to play golf with Trump anymore.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  17. #44
    I didn't know Rand Paul was wanting to retire from politics.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It's not the President's job to be the judge of "time of war" either.
    The President is empowered to repel invasions as the Commander in chief of the military.
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  19. #46
    Serious question: Why didn't Republicans fund the wall/fence when they had the majority in 2016?

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Serious question: Why didn't Republicans fund the wall/fence when they had the majority in 2016?
    And why didn't Trump make including $5 Billion for wall funding a criterion for signing the budgets they sent to him? Trump didn't decide to play that game until he was working with a Congress that he knew wouldn't do it.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This can't be right.

    SwordSmyth has informed us that Justin Amash never decried Obama's use of executive power to legislate.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Serious question: Why didn't Republicans fund the wall/fence when they had the majority in 2016?
    That wouldnt of fueled his supporters anger enough to activate them politically. Make no mistake, Trump couldnt care less about the wall or border security. Political football is what this issue is, as is most of what he does.
    Last edited by TomtheTinker; 03-04-2019 at 07:42 AM.
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  24. #50
    I am sorry but Rand is wrong here. If he wanted to do something about it, he and others in Congress need to change the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Congress abdicated this power to the President to declare a National Emergency.

    Taking this court will only drag it out that much longer, but when it gets to court, a Judge is going to be reluctant to create a definition and interpret a law that Congress, itself, didn't bother to do in 1976.
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am sorry but Rand is wrong here. If he wanted to do something about it, he and others in Congress need to change the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Congress abdicated this power to the President to declare a National Emergency.

    Taking this court will only drag it out that much longer, but when it gets to court, a Judge is going to be reluctant to create a definition and interpret a law that Congress, itself, didn't bother to do in 1976.
    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Facts
    Facts. Rand wont be any good to Liberty movement if he has no political collateral or isnt re elected if he decides to run again.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am sorry but Rand is wrong here. If he wanted to do something about it, he and others in Congress need to change the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Congress abdicated this power to the President to declare a National Emergency.

    Taking this court will only drag it out that much longer, but when it gets to court, a Judge is going to be reluctant to create a definition and interpret a law that Congress, itself, didn't bother to do in 1976.
    Um, lots of emergencies got declared without money being allocated. Lots of them.

    How could Congress know they didn't like the law before Trump misinterpreted and abused it?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by jon4liberty View Post
    Facts. Rand wont be any good to Liberty movement if he has no political collateral or isnt re elected if he decides to run again.
    If the liberty movement is compromised of guys with opinions similar to yours, then there is no liberty movement.

    fAxTs
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    Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am sorry but Rand is wrong here. If he wanted to do something about it, he and others in Congress need to change the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Congress abdicated this power to the President to declare a National Emergency.

    Taking this court will only drag it out that much longer, but when it gets to court, a Judge is going to be reluctant to create a definition and interpret a law that Congress, itself, didn't bother to do in 1976.
    Changing that law may be a good idea.

    But there's no need to say that he has to support one or the other and can't support following the Constitution right now before that law gets changed (if it ever can), while also supporting changing that law.

    Also, I have seen no evidence that Trump's executive order is really pursuant to that law. Can you point to the part of it that you have in mind? Others here who have made claims similar to yours have not been able to do that.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Um, lots of emergencies got declared without money being allocated. Lots of them.

    How could Congress know they didn't like the law before Trump misinterpreted and abused it?
    Uh huh, yeah?

    Trump isn't the one that misinterpreted it.
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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by TomtheTinker View Post
    If the liberty movement is compromised of guys with opinions similar to yours, then there is no liberty movement.

    fAxTs

    You must spread somecReputation around...
    Chris

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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Uh huh, yeah?

    Trump isn't the one that misinterpreted it.
    Ford, Carter, Reagan, two Bushes, one Clinton and Obama all failed to do the unconstitutional end run around Congress' power of the purse because they all misinterpreted a law that only Trump can read?

    Uh huh?

    Care to explain how? Up to this challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Also, I have seen no evidence that Trump's executive order is really pursuant to that law. Can you point to the part of it that you have in mind? Others here who have made claims similar to yours have not been able to do that.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-04-2019 at 09:20 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Uh huh, yeah?

    Trump isn't the one that misinterpreted it.
    Since you are acting like you know the law, please show us where it authorizes Trump to reallocate funding to the construction of a border wall, so that we can read that part of the law for ourselves and see if we agree that it says what you think it does.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am sorry but Rand is wrong here. If he wanted to do something about it, he and others in Congress need to change the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Congress abdicated this power to the President to declare a National Emergency.

    Taking this court will only drag it out that much longer, but when it gets to court, a Judge is going to be reluctant to create a definition and interpret a law that Congress, itself, didn't bother to do in 1976.
    Had he decleared a state of emergency and used funds already allocated to say the military or homeland security to build the fence, then I will agree with u. But that is not what he did, he is setting a dangerous precedent that other presidents are going to use to enslave us.
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