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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Hillary Clinton paid for the fake dossier. Last time I checked she didn't get elected president. Or are you in some alternative universe? And let's be real about something. In all crime families there are rivalries and assassinations political or otherwise. Hillary was supposed to be president when Obama one but he outflanked her. That doesn't mean Obama wasn't controlled.
    What if Obama signed the authority for the FISA warrant? Want to bet he did?
    What if Obama knew everything going on during that time? I recall the Strock-Page text about the POTUS wants to know everything going on.

    Obama is just as guilty as Hillary with regards to the Russian hoax.

    We are in uncharted waters every year. But these waters are somewhat familiar. There was an investigation of the Clintons that Hillary deemed a "vast right wing conspiracy" but ultimately turned own Bill getting caught committing adultery and lying about it. There's been an investigation of Trump that is deemed a "deep state conspiracy" but ultimately it so far has turned on Trump getting caught paying hush money to cover up adultery. The republican house impeached Clinton but they didn't have enough votes in the senate to remove him and ultimately they helped boost Clinton's popularity through sympathy. The democratic house will likely impeach Trump but they will not have enough votes in the senate to remove him and ultimately they will help boost Trump's popularity through sympathy. Donald Trump is the second coming of Bill Clinton.
    yeah, no. I disagree.
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  3. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They've never done it before. Their whole modus operandi has been letting Republicans take each successive bite out of the Constitution, because Republicans only howl when Democrats set those precedents.

    It's not like the first nibble voided the whole thing. No, they know how to boil a frog. Keep denying the water temperature just went up a few more degrees. You aren't fooling any of us, but maybe you can keep yourself fooled.
    O'Bummer spent money without Congressional approval and without the emergency law.
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  4. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    What if Obama signed the authority for the FISA warrant? Want to bet he did?
    What if Obama knew everything going on during that time? I recall the Strock-Page text about the POTUS wants to know everything going on.

    Obama is just as guilty as Hillary with regards to the Russian hoax.
    I'm not an Obama fan. I'm just pointing out that Hillary paid for the dossier. And I don't play the "what if" game. If Obama signed for the FISA warrant just provide a reference and I'll believe you. No need to bet on it.

    yeah, no. I disagree.
    You can disagree all you want but you don't have any factual or logical reason for that disagreement. This impeachment game with Donald is playing out exactly the same as it did with Bill. It's all boiling down to lying about adultery and party pushing for impeachment has the political strength for the impeachment but not for the removal.
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  5. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm not an Obama fan. I'm just pointing out that Hillary paid for the dossier. And I don't play the "what if" game. If Obama signed for the FISA warrant just provide a reference and I'll believe you. No need to bet on it.
    Your smart not to bet on it.


    You can disagree all you want but you don't have any factual or logical reason for that disagreement. This impeachment game with Donald is playing out exactly the same as it did with Bill. It's all boiling down to lying about adultery and party pushing for impeachment has the political strength for the impeachment but not for the removal.
    Bill, while President, had sex with a White House intern in the Oval Office and then lied to it under oath.
    Trump, while not a politician, had sex with a porn star.

    Both were stupid. The first one could be construed as criminal.
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  7. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Your smart not to bet on it.
    I don't bet. I also see no relevance to the point that you seem afraid to actually back up with evidence.


    Bill had sex with a White House intern in the Oval Office.
    Trump, while not a politician, had sex with a porn star.

    Both were stupid. The first one could be construed as criminal.
    1) Having consensual sex with an intern in the Oval Office is not criminal. Not even in the least. It can't be construed as criminal.

    2) You don't have to commit a crime to be impeached. Andrew Johnson was impeached for not being hard enough on the South during reconstruction. Impeachment is a political process masquerading as a legal process. The SCOTUS has long held that impeachment is political, not legal. There are enough democratic votes to impeach Trump. There are not nearly enough democratic votes to remove him from office even with republican defectors.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  8. #426
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I don't bet. I also see no relevance to the point that you seem afraid to actually back up with evidence.




    1) Having consensual sex with an intern in the Oval Office is not criminal. Not even in the least. It can't be construed as criminal.
    How about lying about it under oath?
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  9. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    How about lying about it under oath?
    How about using campaign donations to bribe the woman to lie about it?
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  10. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    How about lying about it under oath?
    Yes that's criminal. So is using campaign funds to pay hush money. Donald could have been out of this mess months ago if he had listened to Rudy Giuliani. Rudy said that Trump paid Stormy Daniels but he used personal money. But nooooooo! Christian conservatives had a fit. "Trump couldn't have lied to us." (Yeah he did). So Trump threw Rudy under the bus. The rest is history.

    That said, even if nothing Trump did was illegal that doesn't matter when it comes to impeachment. Again....consider the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. And finally, Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath until he was forced to testify under oath. So far Trump hasn't had to testify under oath. It remains to be seen if he will escape that trap the rest of his presidency. Here is Judge Andrew Napalitano explaining how Trump's political and legal issues are at cross purposes.

    https://insider.foxnews.com/2018/05/...stormy-daniels
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #429
    I would like to thank everyone (jmdrake, acptulsa, Superflous Man, and everyone else) for the spirited discussion earlier today. I do take what is posted to heart and do appreciate the other points of view.

    I just want to be clear that I respect Rand sticking to principles, as well as my friends here. My difference in opinion may be because I sense a greater threat happening now then others do (whether I am wrong or right is debatable), and I really feel like there is a war happening within the government. My prescription for handling it differs from how others would, and I can appreciate that. I can understand the concern about precedents and stooping to a low level just because the other side is. That said, I sill support Trump’s decision to proclaim an emergency and seek wall funding through doing so (75,000 illegals apprehended at the border in February alone) because I fear that if Trump is removed and the left wins the next election, we are in for a very scary future here in this country. That may not be a good enough reason for some, but it is for me at this time.

    Again, thank you all for the debate!
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  12. #430
    12 Minutes about his Opposition to the Emergency Declaration from Senator Rand Paul
    Around 2:50 Rand calls out the hypocrisy of the media and the democrats for never standing up to Obama for doing the same thing.
    Last edited by Valli6; 03-05-2019 at 09:35 PM.

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