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    Rand Paul vents fury at Pence

    According to reports Rand wasn't too pleased with Pence who went to see Senate Republicans about Trumps emergency declaration.

    He said if Pence was still a congressman he would oppose the President's move. Pence disagrees and Rand brought up DACA as an example where Obama took emergency actions.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...border-1189065



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    Is DACA mentioned in Article IV like building the wall is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Rand brought up DACA as an example where Obama took emergency actions.
    What exactly does "emergency actions" mean here?

    DACA wasn't part of any of Obama's declared national emergencies.

    Also, DACA wasn't really taking action, so much as deferring action, well within the president's prerogative to determine how best to prioritize the use of the limited law enforcement resources available to him, it seems to me. It wasn't at all like what Trump is trying to do, spending money in defiance of the way Congress allocated it according to its constitutional authority.

    I also don't see anywhere in the article that it quotes Rand Paul saying it like that. Maybe he did and it's just not quoted, because I see how they quote Pence getting defensive about how this isn't like DACA right after they mention Rand's opposition. But to be able to see if what Rand said made sense depends on being able to see what he really said.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-27-2019 at 09:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    Is DACA mentioned in Article IV like building the wall is?
    You should replace your avitar with one that expresses your belief that Ron Paul is wrong.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-27-2019 at 09:33 AM.

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    Maybe Rand should filibuster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Maybe Rand should filibuster?
    Get him a jug, a bucket, and a box of snickers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    Is DACA mentioned in Article IV like building the wall is?

    My sig sums it up but here is a link as well:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...08#post6758908


    Walter Block on borders:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fIBpTp5UKE


    Judge Nap on eminent domain:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehxRaPS7kuY


    It is not as simple as just putting a wall up. The actual border is the Rio Grande, where a wall cannot be built. The wall will cut into and divide private/business property, communities, which portions already have:


    Last edited by PAF; 02-28-2019 at 08:35 AM.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/u...ency-vote.html

    Mr. Pence faced some frustration from senators about Mr. Trump’s decision to make the declaration and the legal grounds for doing so, particularly from Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, according to three people familiar with the exchange who asked for anonymity to describe a private meeting.

    When Mr. Paul argued that Mr. Pence, a former representative, would have opposed Mr. Trump’s use of an emergency declaration and compared it to President Barack Obama’s use of an executive order to establish protections for young undocumented immigrants under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, Mr. Pence objected, according to one person. He argued that there was a difference between the two uses of executive power, according to two people.

    A spokesman for Mr. Paul said that the senator had raised concerns, along with other senators, about the declaration in an exchange, but did not raise the comparison to DACA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    According to reports Rand wasn't too pleased with Pence who went to see Senate Republicans about Trumps emergency declaration.

    He said if Pence was still a congressman he would oppose the President's move. Pence disagrees and Rand brought up DACA as an example where Obama took emergency actions.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...border-1189065
    From the link:

    "Sen. Paul had a friendly discussion with the vice president, that if we do go down this path it will damage our ability to be considered the party of rule of law," said a Paul spokesman.
    Twitter: B4Liberty@USAB4L
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Lightbulb Mexico landowners must share the burden. 50/50

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    It is not as simple as just putting a wall up. The actual border is the Rio Grande, where a wall cannot be built. The wall will cut into and divide private/business property, communities, which portions already have:


    IMO they need to re-survey the border, with a goal of half of the land being taken in Mexico. At least then "Make Mexico Pay for It" would have some meaning in real world terms. Crippling sanctions if Mexico landowners don't share the burden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    IMO they need to re-survey the border, with a goal of half of the land being taken in Mexico. At least then "Make Mexico Pay for It" would have some meaning in real world terms. Crippling sanctions if Mexico landowners don't share the burden.
    Likewise, that would entail not only affecting private and business owners land, some of which have been owned since before this government was even formed, but also forcing them into another country. And, forcing another country to pay for something, ie; crippling sanctions, if they do not "share the burden"... are you sure you want to go that route, considering this is a RP forum, and opposes the NAP?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Likewise, that would entail not only affecting private and business owners land, some of which have been owned since before this government was even formed, but also forcing them into another country. And, forcing another country to pay for something, ie; crippling sanctions, if they do not "share the burden"... are you sure you want to go that route, considering this is a RP forum, and opposes the NAP?
    I'd be OK with giving any Mexican landowner (and immediate family) who winds up on the US side of the border wall US Citizenship if they want it. Fast track, no bureaucratic BS. That's as fair as I can make it. Full rights of a US citizen including the right to be elected president. So a Mexican born US President would be possible.
    Last edited by RonZeplin; 02-28-2019 at 02:13 PM.
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    DACA S**thole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    I'd be OK with giving any Mexican landowner (and immediate family) who winds up on the US side of the border wall US Citizenship if they want it. Fast track, no bureaucratic BS. That's as fair as I can make it. Full rights of a US citizen including the right to be elected president. So a Mexican born US President would be possible.
    You DO remember that the president has to be a natural born citizen, right? Just being a citizen isn't enough, and for damn sure a citizen by declaration or statute of Congress doesn't meet the requirement.
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    In Washington you can see them everywhere: the Parasites and baby Stalins sucking the life out of a once-great nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    You DO remember that the president has to be a natural born citizen, right? Just being a citizen isn't enough, and for damn sure a citizen by declaration or statute of Congress doesn't meet the requirement.
    Yes you're right about natural born. Make them Naturalized US Citizens. No Mexican President, or anyone else foreign born, like GOP prez nominee Juan McCain of Panama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    DACA S**thole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?



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