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Thread: [Edit: False] Maduro's Troops Set Fire To Trucks Carrying Aid

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Isn't Maduro head of the military?
    Yes he is the Commander in Chief and president of the country that doesn't mean they are his troops. They are the troops of the country which he is the leader of. Ever wonder why nobody refers to US troops as Obama/Bush/Trump's troops? do you think its a coincidence that this sort of naming is only used for enemies of the state?

    When u refer to the troops of a soverign state by as X President troops, it gives the implication that they are working for his interest i.e. sort like his private army. You delegitimize the whole army wrking to protect the country from foreign invasion. This is neocon propaganda and the fact that you do not know this is very telling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    The fact that you think this is necon propaganda is laughable. Chavez and Maduro have wrecked Venezuela with their socialist policies. The US had nothing to do with it.
    Me laughable? whatever happened to this place? You get an immediate response for the mods to change the title and change it back for the Jussie Smollet thread but not a word for this obvious propaganda title. Maduro troops? add to that the accusation that the Venezuelan troops set the aid on fire and you have the message the neocons what you to believe.

    Like I have always said, socialism is not the most efficient way to run a society but at the same time, it doesn't result in what we are seeing now. We have heard stories of people breaking into zoos to kill the animals for food. That is not a result of mere socialism, there has to be something else at play to turn Venezuela into what we are seeing now. We have other similar societies with higher levels of socialism and they are not doing nearly as bad. Why are we not seeing something similar with socialist Saudi Arabia? ever wonder why?
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Did I insinuate anything? I reported what I saw. Have a problem with that?

    That was supposed to be a neg rep but I accidently gave you a + rep.

    People that think what is happening in Venezuela is fake news are not libertarians. True libertarians understand the consequences of socialism and would be surprised if Venezuela WASN'T falling apart. Back when Chavez ordered price controls on food I predicted food shortages. About 6 months later what happened? Food shortages. Duh. Anyone trying to blame the failure of socialism on "US intervention" is an idiot. Or as my wife would say, "idiota".



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yes he is the Commander in Chief and president of the country that doesn't mean they are his troops. They are the troops of the country which he is the leader of. Ever wonder why nobody refers to US troops as Obama/Bush/Trump's troops? do you think its a coincidence that this sort of naming is only used for enemies of the state?
    Except when you're a dictator. Then they're "your troops".


    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Like I have always said, socialism is not the most efficient way to run a society but at the same time, it doesn't result in what we are seeing now.
    Talk about an understatement.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That was supposed to be a neg rep but I accidently gave you a + rep.

    People that think what is happening in Venezuela is fake news are not libertarians. True libertarians understand the consequences of socialism and would be surprised if Venezuela WASN'T falling apart. Back when Chavez ordered price controls on food I predicted food shortages. About 6 months later what happened? Food shortages. Duh. Anyone trying to blame the failure of socialism on "US intervention" is an idiot. Or as my wife would say, "idiota".
    Thanks for the +rep, Francis.

    Look, all I said was that from the interviews being broadcast from the street by CNN the entirety of the crowd did not look starving or malnourished to me. Quite the opposite. Take it however you want to. From what juleswin mentioned above they must have well stocked zoo's. The barbacoa seems to be keeping people pretty healthy.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Except when you're a dictator. Then they're "your troops".
    For the sake or argument lets take your statement about Maduro being a dictator to be true, then how come nobody calls the Saudi troops slaughtering the Yemeni's Bin Salman troops? ever wonder why that never happens? Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, some people say Turkey is one and yet you don't find this with any of their troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Talk about an understatement.
    Its not an understatement, there are loads of socialist countries doing just fine in the world. Socialism is the norm and not the exception.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Its not an understatement, there are loads of socialist countries doing just fine in the world. Socialism is the norm and not the exception.
    No there are not any socialist countries doing just fine! If they haven't collapsed it's only because they aren't socialist enough or they haven't had enough time to go broke.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    No there are not any socialist countries doing just fine! If they haven't collapsed it's only because they aren't socialist enough or they haven't had enough time to go broke.
    Or they haven't been attacked by the US right? But i see you have choosen to ignore the other points I made, is that you conceding those points? or are you thinking of a response?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Except when you're a dictator. Then they're "your troops".




    .
    Maduro's troops are firing on the Venezuelans while Venezuelan troops are abandoning their posts and heading into Columbia.
    *******

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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post

    https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/statu...32587407380480
    From goldenequity's post on a diff thread. Can we please get mods to pay attention to this thread header? I know the topic is not some red meat race stuff but this is even more important than that, this is at the roots of what the community is about. That is the topic of non interventionism, the idea to be left alone and to leave other alone too.

    The men guarding their borders are not Maduro's troops and they did not set the aid truck on fire. I have looked online and majority of the most vicious warmongering and neocon publications are not even saying that the troops lit the truck on fire. I have sent out PM, I have tagged your name and I have made several updates to this thread in order to accomplish my mission changing this misleading propaganda header and I will not give up until I get a response from the mods.

    @Brian4Liberty @Bryan
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  12. #40
    All this fuss over a 3rd world $#@!hole. SMDH.
    "The Patriarch"



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    All this fuss over a 3rd world $#@!hole. SMDH.
    That's precisely what I meant by "I don't care." I don't. Let them have their revolution or whatever is going on there. Means nothing to me.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Don't really care what is going on there. Stopped by to see mom and dad. They were watching CNN. Reporter was asking what troubles were. Everyone walking by in the street said "Lack of food and medicine!" Every street marcher was well nourished. To the point some were over nourished. Didn't see a starving individual in the bunch. Meh.
    I saw an assessment about a month ago too. There sure were a lot of manicured hands in those protest pictures.
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    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.





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  16. #43
    Thank you very much.

    I would have preferred "Venezuelan troops guard border while opposition protester accidentally burns aid truck" but at this point I will take anything that removed Maduro's troops and the idea the Venezuelan troops burnt the aid truck from the header
    Last edited by juleswin; 02-24-2019 at 02:21 PM.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  17. #44
    Lol @ header edit. I love this place. LMAO!

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Inb4 you get buried in false flag replies.
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post

    https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/statu...32587407380480
    A false flag is a covert operation designed to deceive; the deception creates the appearance of a particular party, group, or nation being responsible for some activity, disguising the actual source of responsibility.
    Oh look, it is a false flag, so The count do you ever get tired of being on the wrong side?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Moderator please change the header to the thread. For one, its not Maduro's troops, its Venezuelan troops.
    Maduro is the commander in chief of Venezuela's armed forces.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-24-2019 at 02:54 PM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yes he is the Commander in Chief and president of the country that doesn't mean they are his troops.
    Yes, that's what it means.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Maduro is the commander in chief of Venezuela's armed forces.
    And? do u ever see other instances where the Army is named after the CIC of the country? Or is this sort of nomenclature reserved only for enemies of the empire?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Yes, that's what it means.
    Then what is stopping you from calling American troops Trump's troops? Lemme guess, its different somehow right? The neocons have put a target on them so lets go ahead and smear the legitimate Venezuelan military by referring to them as Maduro's troops. Go ahead, try and convince the mods to change it back
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Then what is stopping you from calling American troops Trump's troops?
    Nothing. That's what they are.

    They do not fight for the American people. They fight for the regime, and whatever interests the regime serves, which are never the interests of the American people in general.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Nothing. That's what they are.

    They do not fight for the American people. They fight for the regime, and whatever interests the regime serves, which are never the interests of the American people in general.
    And yet you don't call US troops Trump troops, the point I am making is this, when someone goes out of their way to call the legitimate military of a country by the name of their leader, they are doing it cos they have an agenda. Regime change agenda, oil steal, genocide and so on.

    The problem is this, every once in a while the interest of the leader and the interest of the people happen to line up. Take Syria for example, the military have protected millions of civilians from the being captured by the Wahhabhi foreign terrorist, I bet you those guys are glad they had a military and a leader who wants to protect them.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    And yet you don't call US troops Trump troops
    Pardon?

    I just said I do.

  27. #53

    Lightbulb Trumpanista Gorillas

    Random Guyido's troops may be refereed to as Trumpanista Gorillas.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    when someone goes out of their way to call the legitimate military of a country by the name of their leader, they are doing it cos they have an agenda. Regime change agenda, oil steal, genocide and so on.
    It's the exact opposite. There is nothing legitimate about any states or their militaries.

    Where agendas are apparent is not when these militaries are labelled by what they really are, which is tools of the illegitimate regimes whose commands they obey, but when they are falsely labelled as things like the "American military" or the "Venezuelan military." This is propaganda designed to make these governments appear to have legitimacy they lack, as if they represent the people of those countries as opposed to subjugating them.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Pardon?

    I just said I do.
    And any examples of you doing this on this forum?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    And any examples of you doing this on this forum?
    Post #50 in this thread.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    It's the exact opposite. There is nothing legitimate about any states or their militaries.

    Where agendas are apparent is not when these militaries are labelled by what they really are, which is tools of the illegitimate regimes whose commands they obey, but when they are falsely labelled as things like the "American military" or the "Venezuelan military." This is propaganda designed to make these governments appear to have legitimacy they lack, as if they represent the people of those countries as opposed to subjugating them.
    When I say legitimate military, I am talking in the context of the state i.e. they are the legitimate army of the state. We can argue in a different thread whether the state is legitimate or not but for the particular discussion the question is irrelevant. The brave men and women guarding the Venezuelan border against foreign invasion are the legitimate military of the Venezuelan state.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Post #50 in this thread.
    What I am really looking for is a post u made on this forum(before today) with you typing out the phrase "Trump's troops" in it. That is real evidence not you saying that its what you think about US troops.

    This is not me putting words into your mouth. Hopefully this helps
    Last edited by juleswin; 02-24-2019 at 04:03 PM. Reason: clarifying my post due to a rep message
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  34. #59
    Its starting to look like a false flag.

  35. #60

    Journalists Across Globe Report Maduro's Troops Set Fire To Aid Shipment

    Maduro’s response to trucks of humanitarian aid had been “masked thugs, civilians killed by live rounds, and the burning of trucks carrying badly-needed food and medicine.”

    At least two people were killed and around 300 injured in violent clashes at border crossings, while humanitarian aid destined for Venezuela was set on fire, seemingly by troops loyal to Mr Maduro.


    Mr Maduro's use of troops to violently block the entry of humanitarian aid meant he would propose to the international community that all options remain open to oust him.


    Venezuela's Juan Guaido says 'all options open' after soldiers set fire to aid convoys in deadly border clashes

    At least two people were killed and trucks loaded with foreign aid were set ablaze after Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro deployed troops and armored vehicles to turn back humanitarian assistance at border crossings with Colombia and Brazil.



    Maduro’s militia halted and set ablaze two trucks loaded with aid driven through barricades on a border bridge, sending a pall of black smoke into the sky over the Santander crossing linking Cucuta and Urena

    “People are saving the bulk of what’s on the first truck, and looking after the humanitarian aid that Maduro the dictator ordered burned,” opposition lawmaker Gaby Arellano told reporters.
    [/QUOTE]

    But they're all probably wrong, and the CIA actually did it.
    *******

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    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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