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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Good question.
    We know it can be either and/or both. In the case of the bolivar I think it was both.
    Attacking national currencies is certainly easily done. We've watched it with the Russian ruble (failed) and the Turkish lira (succeeded).
    It's just one of the arrows they shoot into the backs of targeted economies.





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    What if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    All of this talk about hyperinflation in Venezuela. Who to blame? Probably printing too much money would be the cause.

    So as a thought experiment, imagine if right from the start, Chavez had implemented a tax on exported oil, to be paid only in silver and gold. It would be up to the oil companies to procure the silver/gold for paying the tax. Then, instead of various degrees of socialism and communism, he had simply produced gold and silver coins as currency, and used those to pay a “welfare” payment to the poor people of Venezuela. No other government benefits or services, just silver/gold coins directly to the poor.

    If we can imagine that, then it would also be easy to imagine that US bombs would be droppping on Venezuela during the Bush administration, or at the very latest during the Obama years. That would not be allowed to stand.

    But even further, the rulers of Venezuela, who ever that might be, would never allow that to stand, unless they were allowed to liberally wet their beaks in the process.

    /end thought experiment, it would never work in reality.
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    Pence, Guaidó Fail to Secure Lima Group Approval for US Military Intervention in Venezuela

    CARACAS, VENEZUELA – On Sunday, the US-backed and self-declared “interim president” of Venezuela, Juan Guaidó, announced that he would meet with the Lima Group on Monday to “formally propose” keeping “all options open” for the “liberation” of Venezuela. The Lima Group, composed of the US and its allies and client states in the Americas, have all recognized Guaidó as the “legitimate” leader of Venezuela.

    The likelihood that Guaidó would use this meeting to request US-backed military intervention in Venezuela, a long-time aspiration of the Trump administration, increased substantially after the vice president of the Venezuelan government led by Nicolás Maduro, Delcy Rodríguez, announced that the government had credible information that Monday’s Lima Group meeting would approve “an international coalition” to invade Venezuela in order to topple Maduro and his Chavista government. The Lima Group meeting is also likely to result in the imposition of new sanctions targeting Venezuela, according to recent statements made by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

    Some members of the Lima Group, however, have already announced that they are unwilling to endorse a military response to the Venezuelan crisis. On Monday, Peru’s Vice Foreign Minister Hugo de Zela Martínez stated at the beginning of the Lima Group conference that “the use of force, in any of its forms, is unacceptable” and that “the use of force is not a solution for what’s happening in Venezuela.”

    Martínez further asserted that Peru and other members of the bloc were still pushing for a negotiated solution to the crisis and would consider only further diplomatic or economic actions to increase pressure on the Maduro-led government. Ultimately, the resolution of the crisis – according to Martínez – will come only if Maduro steps down and “free, fair and just elections” follow. The European Union also echoed Martínez’s comments on Monday, stating that military intervention in Venezuela “must be avoided.”

    Such resistance from the Lima Group may have been unexpected from the United States, given the bloc’s willingness to endorse Guaidó after he swore himself in last month in a move that shocked and alienated many of his political allies within the Venezuelan opposition. Given recent statements from Guaidó and top US officials– as well as the recent death threat against Maduro voiced by US Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) via Twitter – it seems that if the US is determined to use military means to topple Maduro, it will likely have to do so unilaterally or clandestinely.

    Following the Monday meeting between Guaidó and US Vice President Mike Pence, military intervention was allegedly not discussed by the pair and Pence affirmed the US’ commitment to Guaidó’s parallel government and his push for “freedom” in Venezuela.

    The US regime-change roadmap

    Recent statements made by the Russian government suggest that the US is planning to go the latter route. On Friday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova stated that the ministry had obtained evidence that “US companies and their NATO allies are working on the issue of acquiring a large batch of weapons and ammunition in an Eastern European country for their subsequent transfer to Venezuelan opposition forces.” Zakharova also stated that the large planned weapons cache would include “heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, portable missile launchers and ammunition for light weapons and artillery systems.”
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    He says there is inflation, but doesn’t say what caused the inflation. Was inflation of the Venezuelan currrency caused by sanctions, or by deficit spending and creating too much worthless fiat currency?
    Perhaps both Central Banks and the Fractional Reserve Lending practices legalized by every country around the world? And any who want Honest Money, the US immediately starts a WAR with?
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    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

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    Guaido Could Face 30-Year Jail Term for Violating Travel Ban - Venezuelan Court
    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201902...supreme-court/


    On 5 January, Guaido was elected as the president of the opposition-controlled National Assembly, which all other government branches have refused to recognize since 2016. On 23 January, two days after the Venezuelan Supreme Court annulled his election, Guaido declared himself the country's interim president. Incumbent President Maduro, who was sworn in for his second presidential term on 10 January after winning the May election, which part of the opposition boycotted, called Guaido's move an attempt to stage a coup orchestrated by Washington.

    The United States immediately recognized Guaido as Venezuela's leader, after which some 50 other countries followed suit. Russia, China, Cuba, Bolivia and a number of other states have, in the meantime, voiced their support for the legitimate government of the constitutionally elected Maduro. Mexico and Uruguay have refused to recognize Guaido, but have declared themselves neutral and promoted a crisis settlement via dialogue.

    "He is a person hiding from justice. What is happening with runaways, who are reentering the country and found by the authorities?
    They must be caught and sent to a prison … He may face up to 30 years in jail", the deputy judge said.

    He added that the prosecution was currently analyzing the possible crimes committed by Guaido.

    ========

    Maduro: Guaido Will Have to 'See Face of Justice' After Return to Venezuela
    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201902...uaido-justice/




    Guaido, who is currently in Colombia, told Colombian broadcaster NTN24 that he was going to return to Venezuela, despite the risk of being arrested.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-26-2019 at 05:36 PM.

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    The Second Battle of Cucuta



    The masterplan, repeatedly spouted by Guaido, involved amassing a million supporters in Cucuta and then having them triumphantly carry USAID packages passed the “usurper” Maduro’s crumbling lines. Guaido promised a “human avalanche.” He boasted signatures from hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans affirming their commitment to the Cucuta pilgrimage.

    There were logistical challenges. Guaido’s support is concentrated in Caracas and Maracaibo. Caracas is a 13-hour drive from Cucuta, down a winding 870-kilometre highway. Maracaibo to Cucuta is a 7-hour drive down a 425-kilometre road. Transportation by car would require 200,000 cars, 26 million litres of gasoline, and would cause paralysing traffic jams.

    Provisions presented another problem. The USAID included 100 tonnes of food. A million porters would snack this down as they strolled across the border. Further issues related to latrines and water.

    Reportage hyping F23 betrayed growing unease about Guaido’s lack of planning. This disquiet surfaced days before F23 when USAID Administrator Mark Green gave an exculpatory interview stressing that his job was limited to getting aid to Cucuta. It was Guaido’s job to get that aid to Venezuela.

    Rushing to Guaido’s logistical rescue came billionaire Richard Branson and several Colombian tycoons. They announced a Venezuela Aid and Freedom concert for February 22. They lined up 32 A-list performers and brought the full complement of outdoor concert amenities. The concert attracted a mainly local audience of 20,000 some of whom were cajoled into sticking around for F23’s festivities. Guaido defied his travel ban to hobnob with the celebs, and with the presidents of Chile, Paraguay and Colombia each of whom found time to attend this apolitical humanitarian concert.

    On F23 eve US Special Representative for Venezuela, Elliot Abrams, flew to Cucuta. National Security Adviser John Bolton cancelled a Seoul meeting to fly back to the Sit-Room. USAID’s Green frantically shuttled about.

    On F23 no USAID packages crossed the Colombian-Venezuelan border. Advertised throngs of hundreds of thousands of Guaido loyalists; resolved to a few thousand. Local hooligans were enticed to throw rocks and torch aid trucks. A few Venezuelan National Guards deserted; including one hero who drove his armoured vehicle into a crowd of civilians.

    Over the day, doctors treated 37 demonstrators for injuries. F23 was a boutique photo-op riot. Compared to its billing F23 was a shambolic fiasco.

    On F23 morn, Field Marshal Guaido made a cameo appearance; hanging off the side of a truck. He wasn’t seen again. He tweeted about an upcoming meeting with Vice President Pence in Bogota whereat Guaido promised to recommend “all options” for removing Maduro. “All options” means US invasion. Great patriot.

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    An overview of Venezuela's blowing of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    An overview of Venezuela's blowing of money.

    al-Jazeera alert... set your filters to: HIGH
    sprinkle yourself w/ holy water and eat garlic as well. you should be fine. carry on.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 02-26-2019 at 07:47 PM.

  11. #69
    teleSUR English
    LIVE | Venezuela's @jaarreaza at the UN:
    "I would like to thank Latin America and the Caribbean, even those who have differences with Venezuela, because all have rejected the possibility of foreign intervention. This is a victory."

    Looks like the whole Latin America gave a finger to the Trump's regime regarding the military intervention in Venezuela...

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    here we go: *CHINA OPPOSES MILITARY INTERVENTION IN VENEZUELA: XINHUA

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    al-Jazeera alert... set your filters to: HIGH
    sprinkle yourself w/ holy water and eat garlic as well. you should be fine. carry on.
    Then why are you supporting big oil's favourite stooge?!?

    I’m a firm believer of adverse publicity...
    All of the adverse publicity from Western Europe and the US never hurt the Ayatollahs of Iran. Likewise Maduro, who is such a wonderful president for big oil, is effectively supported by all of the fake stories that the US and EU want to get rid of him!

    Just for the record – I’M NO SUPPORTER OF BIG OIL.
    Who profits?

    Longtime Rothschild banker and Trump’s Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross first invested in Navigator Holdings in 2011. In the summer of 2012, WL Ross took control of Navigator by buying a further $110 million stake from the collapsed Lehman Brothers bank. Navigator Holdings earns millions a year transporting oil and gas for the Russian Sibur.
    Putin’s son-in-law Shamalov holds a large stake in Sibur and is its deputy chairman.

    In 2016, 31.5% was still held by entities in which Ross has a stake (WLR). In 2017, the WLR stake in Navigator was worth about $179 million, but it is not clear how much is (still) held by Ross personally.

    Navigator vessels also carried out extensive business with the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA, records show, at a time when Venezuela’s government was cracking down on opposition. Trump imposed sanctions on PDVSA in August: https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...aradise-papers

    Sibur is NOT under Russian sanctions which gives it a competitive edge over companies that are: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1HD22K
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Then why are you supporting big oil's favourite stooge?!?

    I’m a firm believer of adverse publicity...
    All of the adverse publicity from Western Europe and the US never hurt the Ayatollahs of Iran. Likewise Maduro, who is such a wonderful president for big oil, is effectively supported by all of the fake stories that the US and EU want to get rid of him!

    Just for the record – I’M NO SUPPORTER OF BIG OIL.
    Who profits?

    Longtime Rothschild banker and Trump’s Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross first invested in Navigator Holdings in 2011. In the summer of 2012, WL Ross took control of Navigator by buying a further $110 million stake from the collapsed Lehman Brothers bank. Navigator Holdings earns millions a year transporting oil and gas for the Russian Sibur.
    Putin’s son-in-law Shamalov holds a large stake in Sibur and is its deputy chairman.

    In 2016, 31.5% was still held by entities in which Ross has a stake (WLR). In 2017, the WLR stake in Navigator was worth about $179 million, but it is not clear how much is (still) held by Ross personally.

    Navigator vessels also carried out extensive business with the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA, records show, at a time when Venezuela’s government was cracking down on opposition. Trump imposed sanctions on PDVSA in August: https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...aradise-papers

    Sibur is NOT under Russian sanctions which gives it a competitive edge over companies that are: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1HD22K
    ^^^^^
    More evidence that at the heart of it all, the leaders of practically all countries are controlled by the same hidden hands. I've seen plenty of pics of Maduro displaying illuminati handsigns. That's why I try not to get caught up in socialism v. capitalism or good guy v. bad guy arguments surrounding geopolitical moves. Fact v fiction is all I try to focus on. It's the only way to even come close to understanding what's really going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Then why are you supporting big oil's favourite stooge?!?

    I’m a firm believer of adverse publicity...
    All of the adverse publicity from Western Europe and the US never hurt the Ayatollahs of Iran. Likewise Maduro, who is such a wonderful president for big oil, is effectively supported by all of the fake stories that the US and EU want to get rid of him!

    Just for the record – I’M NO SUPPORTER OF BIG OIL.
    Who profits?

    Longtime Rothschild banker and Trump’s Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross first invested in Navigator Holdings in 2011. In the summer of 2012, WL Ross took control of Navigator by buying a further $110 million stake from the collapsed Lehman Brothers bank. Navigator Holdings earns millions a year transporting oil and gas for the Russian Sibur.
    Putin’s son-in-law Shamalov holds a large stake in Sibur and is its deputy chairman.

    In 2016, 31.5% was still held by entities in which Ross has a stake (WLR). In 2017, the WLR stake in Navigator was worth about $179 million, but it is not clear how much is (still) held by Ross personally.

    Navigator vessels also carried out extensive business with the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA, records show, at a time when Venezuela’s government was cracking down on opposition. Trump imposed sanctions on PDVSA in August: https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...aradise-papers

    Sibur is NOT under Russian sanctions which gives it a competitive edge over companies that are: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1HD22K
    What are you trying to say here? I am sure if you look well enough, you can find western companies making money off by offering their services to the Libyan govt. This does not mean that the west did not want him out or make him big oil shill.

    Just because they make some money with Maduro doesn't mean they wouldn't make more money with a compliant US puppet govt. I have been saying for years that the dems and repubs work for the same people but this idea that everybody is working for the same team is just insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Then why are you supporting big oil's favourite stooge?!?
    I used the Telesur snip via alJazzy cuz it was handy for reporting Venezuelan envoy UN speech snip... WAY different than reposting an alJazzy editorial. I've been known to post BBC Roiders AFP Yahoo CNN MSNBC as well. There's no contradiction or dissonance to use or quote them just because I loathe and mock them. Not a big fan of Telesur either for that matter... it's rife with a Latino agenda. Just gotta eat the meat and spit out the bones continuously. I know U know. We all do.

    I’m a firm believer of adverse publicity...
    All of the adverse publicity from Western Europe and the US never hurt the Ayatollahs of Iran. Likewise Maduro, who is such a wonderful president for big oil,....
    -----------
    Please explain this statement... unless it was meant as sarcasm I do not understand this position.
    @Firestarter @devil21 @juleswin great comments I repped you all and understand each position... they aren't adverse nor mutually exclusive...
    I see truth in the gray zones and not ALWAYS in combative/polar opposites or black and whites.
    When I see the 'good' screwing up and performing 'bad' I try and weigh it and side w/ mercy.
    When I see evil pretending to be 'good'... I try and catch it and judge it. expose it.
    It's not easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    When I see the 'good' screwing up and performing 'bad' I try and weigh it and side w/ mercy.
    When I see evil pretending to be 'good'... I try and catch it and judge it. expose it.
    It's not easy.
    That's what I'm likewise trying to do. I sometimes lose patience at everybody following the propaganda tricks.
    I find it even more difficult to stay patient with you, as you seem to "understand" a lot on world politics (at the very least you know a lot about the Middle East).
    I'm not sure about the late Chavez or Syria's president Assad with his British banker wife though!


    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Just because they make some money with Maduro doesn't mean they wouldn't make more money with a compliant US puppet govt. I have been saying for years that the dems and repubs work for the same people but this idea that everybody is working for the same team is just insane.
    I've been called many terrible things including very dangerous because of complete insanity...


    There are now actually people that are defending Maduro because they believe he´s “real” opposition. All of the adverse publicity that Maduro gets from the US and EU will boost his popularity (like the Ayatollahs of Iran).

    I once or twice read claims that all installed puppet leaders are really freemasons. The following video shows that both Maduro and Juan Guaido are freemasons (or at the very least affiliated with freemasonry).
    Which makes Guaido nothing but “controlled opposition”.


    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I've seen plenty of pics of Maduro displaying illuminati handsigns. That's why I try not to get caught up in socialism v. capitalism or good guy v. bad guy arguments surrounding geopolitical moves.
    See the previous video.

    I once or twice read claims that all installed puppet leaders are really crypto-Jews (maybe crypto-Khazars?)...

    Maduro and his predecessor, Hugo Chávez, have widely been accused of anti-Semitism.
    Nicolas Maduro defended himself against these accusations by telling the world that he himself descended from Sephardic Jews:
    My grandparents were Jewish, from a [Sephardic] Moorish background, and converted to Catholicism in Venezuela… The mother of [Minister of Communication and Information] Ernesto Villegas also comes from a similar background.

    if there is a people that has a rich socialist tradition, it’s the Jewish people… We respect their history.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/venezu...wish-ancestry/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Maduro and his predecessor, Hugo Chávez, have widely been accused of anti-Semitism.
    Nicolas Maduro defended himself against these accusations by telling the world that he himself descended from Sephardic Jews: https://www.timesofisrael.com/venezu...wish-ancestry/
    And that right there is damn close to the heart of the matter. You and I chatted a while back about that, specifically the Sabbatean philosophy of Jewish lineage (fake) converting to other religions in order to infiltrate and take over leadership of various influential religious institutions, the RCC being one them. It dovetails with your other threads about royal families in that the same practice of infiltration has likely been used there also, but through marriage. Applied to society today, the "conversion and infiltration" method can be used for taking control of any sort of established power structure, whether Democrats v. Republicans or Muslims v. Jewish, etc. Sometimes I think it's more an innate genetic tendency....
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    That's what I'm likewise trying to do. I sometimes lose patience at everybody following the propaganda tricks.
    I find it even more difficult to stay patient with you, as you seem to "understand" a lot on world politics (at the very least you know a lot about the Middle East).
    I'm not sure about the late Chavez or Syria's president Assad with his British banker wife though!


    I've been called many terrible things including very dangerous because of complete insanity...


    There are now actually people that are defending Maduro because they believe he´s “real” opposition. All of the adverse publicity that Maduro gets from the US and EU will boost his popularity (like the Ayatollahs of Iran).

    I once or twice read claims that all installed puppet leaders are really freemasons. The following video shows that both Maduro and Juan Guaido are freemasons (or at the very least affiliated with freemasonry).
    Which makes Guaido nothing but “controlled opposition”.
    Maduro is a real opposition to the US. According to u, if the US is against you like they did to Gaddafi, Kim Jun Un, Assad, Saddam, The Ayatillah's, Maduro, that just means that they actually covertly support you to boost their support among the locals and when they really support you like the do with The Saudi monarchies etc, they actually support you.

    I mean, how do we know who their real opposition is? Wait, do u even think they have any "real" opposition or are they all controlled opposition? I can entertain a good conspiracy theory but there is a point nothing makes sense anymore. Maduro and Trump are not working for the same people, Guaido is not Maduro's controlled opposition and anyone suggesting such a silly conspiracy theory has issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Maduro is a real opposition to the US. According to u, if the US is against you like they did to Gaddafi, Kim Jun Un, Assad, Saddam, The Ayatillah's, Maduro, that just means that they actually covertly support you to boost their support among the locals and when they really support you like the do with The Saudi monarchies etc, they actually support you.

    I mean, how do we know who their real opposition is? Wait, do u even think they have any "real" opposition or are they all controlled opposition? I can entertain a good conspiracy theory but there is a point nothing makes sense anymore. Maduro and Trump are not working for the same people, Guaido is not Maduro's controlled opposition and anyone suggesting such a silly conspiracy theory has issues
    It's only a "silly conspiracy theory" if you haven't spent any time looking into secret societies and their histories. Both firestarter and myself have and it's really not very silly, nor is it merely a "theory". Consider that you're really just focusing on a few people. Trump, Maduro, Guaido, etc. Is it really that silly to think a few installed leaders are quite possibly working together (via shared private principles and winks and nods) behind the scenes. You can't ignore the point that firestarter makes that no matter which power structure you look at, the same people are moving around in the background, such as Wilbur Ross, long time Rothschild agent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's only a "silly conspiracy theory" if you haven't spent any time looking into secret societies and their histories. Both firestarter and myself have and it's really not very silly, nor is it merely a "theory". Consider that you're really just focusing on a few people. Trump, Maduro, Guaido, etc. Is it really that silly to think a few installed leaders are quite possibly working together (via shared private principles and winks and nods) behind the scenes. You can't ignore the point that firestarter makes that no matter which power structure you look at, the same people are moving around in the background, such as Wilbur Ross, long time Rothschild agent.
    So how do we know who the real opposition is? or are there even any real opposition to the power elite? I think the only thing that would convince u guys that Maduro is not a controlled opposition is only when he is strung up on a rope hanging on the street or when the CIA mercs shoves a sharp blade up his ass and kills him on the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's only a "silly conspiracy theory" if you haven't spent any time looking into secret societies and their histories. Both firestarter and myself have and it's really not very silly, nor is it merely a "theory". Consider that you're really just focusing on a few people. Trump, Maduro, Guaido, etc. Is it really that silly to think a few installed leaders are quite possibly working together (via shared private principles and winks and nods) behind the scenes. You can't ignore the point that firestarter makes that no matter which power structure you look at, the same people are moving around in the background, such as Wilbur Ross, long time Rothschild agent.
    Are you the guy who thinks Trump is a Jesuit priest?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Are you the guy who thinks Trump is a Jesuit priest?
    Depends. Jesuits are much more accurately described as a military order, instead of a priestly order, in that they operate in a rigid military structure and the Jesuit oath is very militaristic. Would Jesus pledge to crush the skulls of children? Jesuits do. Though, historically, there's not a lot of separation between the "priest" class and "military" class.


    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    So how do we know who the real opposition is? or are there even any real opposition to the power elite?
    Good question. Note that it's always the little people that end up doing all the real fighting and dying, never the "faces". The only times that the "faces" see lasting consequences is when they step out of line (break their oaths) or if determined that their usefulness has ended and their demise (or appearance of demise, a la Hitler) is necessary to forward a world domination agenda.

    I think the only thing that would convince u guys that Maduro is not a controlled opposition is only when he is strung up on a rope hanging on the street or when the CIA mercs shoves a sharp blade up his ass and kills him on the street.
    See above. Death and being controlled opposition aren't mutually exclusive. You should also understand that the CIA does not work for the American people or the government. The CIA works for the City of London and the Vatican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Are you the guy who thinks Trump is a Jesuit priest?


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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Depends. Jesuits are much more accurately described as a military order, instead of a priestly order, in that they operate in a rigid military structure and the Jesuit oath is very militaristic. Would Jesus pledge to crush the skulls of children? Jesuits do.
    That is not true. You've been taken in by a forgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    That is not true. You've been taken in by a forgery.
    Hmmm....where have I heard that exact same excuse before? Rings a bell about some other remarkably accurate historical record that's often called the same.

    That excuse may work on someone that isn't aware of Jesuit organizations like Skull and Bones, whose members appear quite eager to crush the skulls of children when the opportunity arises. What betrays the mere "it's the Jesuits" blame, however, is that members like GWB start to look a lot more jewish as they get older. That then goes back to the Sabbatean infiltration I mentioned before. Taken a look at GWB lately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Hmmm....where have I heard that exact same excuse before? Rings a bell about some other remarkably accurate historical record that's often called the same.
    I'm guessing you mean the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Because yeah, that's what level of credibility the Jesuit Oath that you're talking about is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I'm guessing you mean the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Because yeah, that's what level of credibility the Jesuit Oath that you're talking about is.
    I had no idea you were such an authority on the Jesuit Order. Interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I had no idea you were such an authority on the Jesuit Order. Interesting...
    It doesn't take an authority on the subject to be able to figure some of these things out.

    If you did honest research, and didn't just credulously accept baseless assertions only because they support the conclusion you want to reach, you would have never been taken in by that fake Jesuit oath, because wherever you encountered it, one thing is absolutely certain, which is that you never once saw any real evidence that it was genuine. Had you even taken enough of a critical eye to see if there were any, you would have realized quickly there wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    It doesn't take an authority on the subject to be able to figure some of these things out.

    If you did honest research, and didn't just credulously accept baseless assertions only because they support the conclusion you want to reach, you would have never been taken in by that fake Jesuit oath, because wherever you encountered it, one thing is absolutely certain, which is that you never once saw any real evidence that it was genuine. Had you even taken enough of a critical eye to see if there were any, you would have realized quickly there wasn't.
    What are you basing your authority on? I have studied this topic at great length. Mine isn't simply reading it and thinking "oh yeah sounds good." Actual proven Jesuits like GWB don't seem to mind pursuing what the oath alleges they are to do. You know, things like acting like you're a different religion (evangelical =/= Catholic or Jewish). Killing "non-believers" in foreign places (Iraq and Afghanistan, chiefly). Creating division to keep people divided and controlled (partisanship). To name a few. And he's far from the only example. He's just an easy one. The neocons that are up in the middle of these regime change operations almost invariably appear to be Jesuits.

    But as I said, Jesuits are likely just another power structure that has been taken over by Sabbatean adherents and repurposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I had no idea you were such an authority on the Jesuit Order. Interesting...
    Start a new thread....
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    I have studied this topic at great length.
    How many hours you spent at it I can't say. But clearly you didn't do so critically.

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