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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Gestapo on steroids comes to my mind. This is where our country is at.
    This is Odessa massacre minus the fire.... protestors trapped in multi-story bldg surrounded by foaming ultra nationalists..
    'law enforcement' looking the other way/enforcing siege.

    I'm waiting on the molotovs. srsly.



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  3. #212
    Arrest and / or prosecution of the coup insiders.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...nity-uprising/
    Venezuela's Constituent Assembly stripped on Tuesday seven lawmakers of their paliamentary immunity for supporting last week's failed coup against Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, AFP reported.

    Earlier, Venezuela's Supreme Court opened a criminal action against seven opposition lawmakers for treason and rebellion.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...dent-detained/
    Edgar Zambrano, the deputy speaker of the Venezuelan opposition-controlled National Assembly, has been detained in the wake of the failed coup in the country, Diosdado Cabello, the head of the government-led National Constituent Assembly has said.

    Edgar Jose Zambrano, alongside with Luis Florido, Henry Ramos Allup, Richard Blanco, Marianela Lopez, Simon Calzadilla and Americo de Grazia lost their immunity on Wednesday following the corresponding decision made by the Venezuelan Constituent National Assembly.

    The prosecution charges them with high treason, public conspiring to violate the law, inciting civil uprising, power usurpation and other crimes.

    https://www.rt.com/news/458831-venez...dent-detained/
    The vice president of Venezuela’s National Assembly has reportedly been escorted to the HQ of the country’s intelligence agency. Opposition leader Juan Guaido accused Caracas of “kidnapping” the lawmaker.

    Edgar Zambrano, the vice president of the opposition-controlled legislature, was apparently taken into custody by the Venezuelan authorities. The lawmaker tweeted Wednesday evening that he was approached by members of the SEBIN intelligence agency, who surrounded his car and demanded he leave the vehicle. Zambrano said that after he refused the order, the agents towed his car to the agency's main offices in Caracas.
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  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    This is Odessa massacre minus the fire.... protestors trapped in multi-story bldg surrounded by foaming ultra nationalists..
    'law enforcement' looking the other way/enforcing siege.

    I'm waiting on the molotovs. srsly.
    Yes, very disturbing.
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  5. #214
    Looks like trump's strategy will be fighting his NWO war through Columbia as a proxy.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...ation-warning/
    The Colombian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Wednesday, that a Venezuelan unit crossed over about 200 meters onto its territory.

    According to the statement, cited by AFP, around 30 military personnel were "identified by locals as belonging to the Bolivarian Armed Forces […] who remained for around 20 minutes". The Colombian Foreign Ministry said the alleged Venezuelan forces withdrew after Bogota sent a helicopter with soldiers to the area in response to calls from locals, AFP reported.

    Later in the day, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro threatened a possible "military escalation" with neighbouring Colombia in a televised speech.
    "There is an escalation of statements that could end in a military escalation on the border […] involving the criminal forces of Colombia against Venezuela […] Everything is part of the US imperialist plan", Maduro said, quoted by AFP.
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  6. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Looks like trump's strategy will be fighting his NWO war through Columbia as a proxy.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...ation-warning/
    The Nazis have nothing on this bunch.
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  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    The Nazis have nothing on this bunch.
    Yet some will continue to obsessively shyll for trump, and insist that he's somehow doing more good than harm. How this is supposed to be considered an "educational benefit" to this place completely baffles me, it's funny how the forum guidelines and site mission don't seem to apply to the shylls.
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  9. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Yet some will continue to obsessively shyll for trump, and insist that he's somehow doing more good than harm. How this is supposed to be considered an "educational benefit" to this place completely baffles me, it's funny how the forum guidelines and site mission don't seem to apply to the shylls.
    The forum is but a microcosm of what's happening in the country right now. The slippery slope is behind us I'm afraid. We're on our way down.
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  10. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    The forum is but a microcosm of what's happening in the country right now. The slippery slope is behind us I'm afraid. We're on our way down.
    The propaganda has been ramped up to include the micro as well as the macro scale. I'm hoping that if trump loses the next election, the shylls being paid to post 34+ times a day here will be laid off and have to find honest work. Since trump is doing so poorly, the next President will almost certainly be a democrat (whether in this election or the next). Hopefully then opposition to the police state and NWO will come out of their trance, and we will be able to pick back up where we left off in 2014-16, and once again continue to build on Ron Paul's work.

    The failure of trump's NWO foreign policy in Venezula would be humiliating. I think it's a lose-lose situation for him in the next election, it will be used against him either way it ends up going.
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  11. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    The propaganda has been ramped up to include the micro as well as the macro scale. I'm hoping that if trump loses the next election, the shylls being paid to post 34+ times a day here will be laid off and have to find honest work. Since trump is doing so poorly, the next President will almost certainly be a democrat (whether in this election or the next). Hopefully then opposition to the police state and NWO will come out of their trance, and we will be able to pick back up where we left off in 2014-16, and once again continue to build on Ron Paul's work.

    The failure of trump's NWO foreign policy in Venezula would be humiliating. I think it's a lose-lose situation for him in the next election, it will be used against him either way it ends up going.
    Indeed.
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  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Indeed.
    I really hope you are right but from my experience, I feel the opposition to the police state will always play second fiddle to worship of the party or next personality politician. Trump may lose this coming election against a democrat elected and this will only temporarily change their stance of the police state. I say temporary because this chnage only lasts until the next republican pol shows up. The same thing sorta goes on with the democrats and cycle continues and continues.
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  13. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    The propaganda has been ramped up to include the micro as well as the macro scale. I'm hoping that if trump loses the next election, the shylls being paid to post 34+ times a day here will be laid off and have to find honest work. Since trump is doing so poorly, the next President will almost certainly be a democrat (whether in this election or the next). Hopefully then opposition to the police state and NWO will come out of their trance, and we will be able to pick back up where we left off in 2014-16, and once again continue to build on Ron Paul's work.

    The failure of trump's NWO foreign policy in Venezula would be humiliating. I think it's a lose-lose situation for him in the next election, it will be used against him either way it ends up going.
    I think "next time" will likely be too late. Trump is doing a fabulous job keeping people distracted while the control grid is finished and agenda 2030 rolls along. No Dem is going to roll back anything related to agenda 2030 (which is the BIG plan) since Dems are 100% on board with it already. His job is to keep the right calm and sedated when they would otherwise be strongly opposing, under Clinton presidency, the same policies/changes that are being implemented right under their noses. Blame it on immigrants or the Chinese and watch the average Republican voter embrace whatever it is...

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    News item today about Trump distancing himself from Bolton. Timing is funny considering the articles about the Maduro purges.
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  14. #222
    Deputy of Venezuela's Guaido arrested and dragged away by tow truck

    CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan intelligence agents detained opposition leader Juan Guaido’s congressional deputy on Wednesday, using a tow truck to drag his vehicle away with him inside, prompting the U.S. government to warn of “consequences” if he was not released.

    The SEBIN intelligence agency seized Edgar Zambrano, vice president of the opposition-controlled National Assembly, which Guaido heads, in the first arrest of a lawmaker since Guaido tried to spark a military uprising last week to bring down President Nicolas Maduro’s government.

    Venezuela’s pro-Maduro Constituent Assembly agreed on Tuesday to strip Zambrano and six other lawmakers of their parliamentary immunity to allow their future prosecution. The opposition does not recognize the assembly’s decisions.

    The Supreme Court had earlier accused those lawmakers of conspiracy, rebellion and treason, and accused another three opposition legislators of the same crimes on Wednesday.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKCN1SE2QJ
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  15. #223
    More of the traitors running to foreign embassies.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...alian-embassy/
    Edgar Jose Zambrano, Luis Florido, Henry Ramos Allup, Richard Blanco, Marianela Lopez, Simon Calzadilla and Americo de Grazia lost their immunity. The prosecution charges them with high treason, public conspiring for violating the law, inciting civil uprising, and power usurpation, among other crimes.

    According to Reuters, citing three sources familiar with the matter, Americo de Grazia entered Thursday the Italian embassy in Caracas.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...205835912.html
    A Venezuelan opposition politician sought refuge at Argentina's Embassy in Caracas on Thursday, according to an Argentine foreign ministry source and a Reuters witness, a day after the arrest of a top figure in the opposition-controlled legislature.

    Richard Blanco of the Brave Peoples' Alliance party had entered the embassy on Thursday morning, said the Argentine official, who asked not to be identified. "He (Blanco) is there as a guest, we can confirm that," the official said.
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  16. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    I suppose you are right... Any and all who oppose an oppressive government should be considered as traitors, including most of this board here.



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  18. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    I suppose you are right... Any and all who oppose an oppressive government should be considered as traitors, including most of this board here.
    It is disgusting just how easy it is to get some people to fervently support a communist dictator like Maduro, all you have to do is portray him as a "victim" of America and they will not only oppose American intervention but grant him sainthood.
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  19. #226

    Question Communist Trump: "The government's going to pay for it" - Universal Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is disgusting just how easy it is to get some people to fervently support a communist dictator like Maduro, all you have to do is portray him as a "victim" of America and they will not only oppose American intervention but grant him sainthood.
    "The government's going to pay for it", socialist/communist Trump?

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  20. #227
    Another traitor jailed, another flees to Columbia

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...guaido-deputy/
    On Wednesday, the deputy speaker of the opposition-controlled National Assembly, Edgar Zambrano, was apprehended by intelligence

    agents for his support of the failed uprising orchestrated by the country's self-proclaimed president, Guaido.

    Venezuela's Supreme Court has decreed to put the deputy speaker of the National Assembly, Edgar Zambrano, in pretrial detention at

    a military jail in the capital Caracas.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905...fled-colombia/
    A deputy to self-proclaimed interim president Juan Guaido, earlier prosecuted for his role in the failed coup on 30 April, has fled

    to Colombia. This comes after one of Guaido's deputies Edgar Zambrano was jailed for treason, conspiracy, civil rebellion, while

    another - Americo de Grazia, reportedly took refuge in the Italian embassy in Caracas.

    Luis Florido announced he has fled Venezuela for neighbouring Colombia, in a video posted on Twitter Friday.
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  21. #228
    In addition to provocation, now we find out what that ship is really doing down there. Sounds like it's a little more than just a floating hospital.

    https://www.rt.com/news/459024-venez...st-guard-ship/
    The USCGC James, one of the US Navy’s most technologically advanced ships, was sailing towards Venezuela’s territorial waters when

    a patrol boat was sent to warn it off. The US vessel backed off after radio communication.

    The Venezuelan Navy released a statement on Friday, saying the incident took place on Thursday and involved a US Coast Guard vessel

    heading towards the Latin American country’s main port of La Guaira.

    The USCGC James was 14 nautical miles (16 miles) off Venezuela’s coast when Caracas sent a patrol vessel to intercept it. In the

    course of subsequent radio communications, the USCGC James agreed to turn away.

    “The USCGC James was encouraged to change its course and leave our jurisdictional waters. The instruction was obeyed,” the

    Venezuelan Navy said in a statement.
    Venezuela’s UN envoy, Samuel Moncada, slammed the US ship’s actions as a clear provocation aimed at inciting unrest.

    “War traffickers get excited because they see a US Coast Guard very close to Venezuelan territorial waters. It’s a typical

    provocation to ramp up tensions,” Moncada tweeted.

    The USCGC James, described as the most technologically advanced ship in the US Coast Guard fleet, is fitted with modern

    surveillance and reconnaissance equipment.

    According to the US Navy, it can also serve as command post for “complex law enforcement and national security missions involving

    the Coast Guard and numerous partner agencies.”
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  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    The primary source you use is pretty telling.

  23. #230
    If you have others, your positive contribution to this thread would be welcomed. Or are you only here to directly oppose Ron Paul, by shylling for your Authoritarian Idol?
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  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    If you have others, your positive contribution to this thread would be welcomed. Or are you only here to directly oppose Ron Paul, by shylling for your Authoritarian Idol?
    Look... At some point when it comes to Venezuela someone has to be the adult in the room. You don't think a Russian news source is not as biased as a conservative U.S. news source in this? In all this I have to question about the welfare of a people. They did indeed screw up and vote themselves into a socialism system that failed and they are now responsible for their own oppression. And in reality Guaido might not actually have any better intentions than Maduro. But at some point I have to wonder when or if anyone is ever going to allow the people of Venezuela to realize they made a mistake and care about their future as human beings? They made a mistake and have realized this but they are still human beings.

    I also DO NOT trust the true intentions and interests of our own government. I am not trusting that saving humanity is their true intention as an establishment, Especially the MIC who's bottom line has been hit with Trump's recent actions. And I am absolutely opposed to intervention or war and think this should be worked out by the people of that nation among themselves. But this includes no intervention from Russia either but there is, and to cheer-lead this is equally wrong. And to take a side as you have done here and cheer-lead an oppressive government, from either side over it's people tells of an agenda. It shows all lack of human concern for a people who are or will be truly starving to death.

    I have a friend who lived through the communist reign in Poland. Before it was over with there were mothers who were imprisoned for dissidence feeding their children chunks of their arms and legs to keep them alive. This will soon be the problem in Venezuela if someone doesn't become the adult in the room to help them despite their mistakes. I am starting to wonder if this is not the agenda with supporting this extreme oppression. I think the agenda is to help make it so bad that there will be a push to mass allow thousands of refugees from Venezuela into this country. And I think anyone like yourself who supports Maduro oppression and labels opposition as traitors is working towards this as the true final result.

    As far as principles go, Based on your definition of traitors, you might as well call Ron Paul and all his supporters in the liberty movement traitors because they oppose our OWN oppressive government and it's actions. We could all be considered as traitors and dissidents using the perspective you are using. Is that the plan? Help support burning it down so that we have to bring them here out of pity? Do we not feel any pity for these people before this needs to happen? Those you call traitors in Venezuela are those who are trying to make a good faith effort to repair their own situation as citizens of that nation. You have shown that you think a people are wrong and should not make efforts to oppose a failed oppressive government and leader.

    I have to give them credit for at least realizing their own mistake and making a best effort to repair it. I think it is courageous for them to make a stand. It is something that even ourselves cannot claim we have the balls to do.

  25. #232

    Top donor to Marco "RoundUp" Rubio - buying Bayer

    How GMO Seeds and Monsanto/Bayer’s “RoundUp” are Driving US Policy in Venezuela

    With Juan Guaidó’s parallel government attempting to take power with the backing of the U.S., it is telling that the top political donors of those in the U.S. most fervently pushing regime change in Venezuela have close ties to Monsanto and major financial stakes in Bayer.

    CARACAS, VENEZUELA — As the political crisis in Venezuela has unfolded, much has been said about the Trump administration’s clear interest in the privatization and exploitation of Venezuela’s oil reserves, the largest in the world, by American oil giants like Chevron and ExxonMobil.

    Yet the influence of another notorious American company, Monsanto — now a subsidiary of Bayer — has gone largely unmentioned.

    While numerous other Latin American nations have become a “free for all” for the biotech company and its affiliates, Venezuela has been one of the few countries to fight Monsanto and other international agrochemical giants and win. However, since that victory — which was won under Chavista rule — the U.S.-backed Venezuelan opposition has been working to undo it.

    Now, with Juan Guaidó’s parallel government attempting to take power with the backing of the U.S., it is telling that the top political donors of those in the U.S. most fervently pushing regime change in Venezuela have close ties to Monsanto and major financial stakes in Bayer.

    In recent months, Monsanto’s most controversial and notorious product — the pesticide glyphosate, branded as Roundup, and linked to cancer in recent U.S. court rulings — has threatened Bayer’s financial future as never before, with a litany of new court cases barking at Bayer’s door. It appears that many of the forces in the U.S. now seeking to overthrow the Venezuelan government are hoping that a new Guaidó-led government will provide Bayer with a fresh, much-needed market for its agrochemicals and transgenic seeds, particularly those products that now face bans in countries all over the world, including once-defoliated and still-poisoned Vietnam.

    U.S.-Backed Venezuelan opposition seeks to reverse Chavista seed law and GMO ban

    In 2004, then-president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, surprised many when he announced the cancellation of Monsanto’s plans to plant 500,000 acres of Venezuelan agricultural land in genetically modified (GM) soybeans. The cancellation of Monsanto’s Venezuela contract led to what became an ad hoc ban on all GM seeds in the entire country, a move that was praised by local farmer groups and environmental activists. In contrast to anti-GM movements that have sprung up in other countries, Venezuela’s resistance to GM crops was based more on concerns about the country’s food sovereignty and protecting the livelihoods of farmers.

    Although the ban has failed to keep GM products out of Venezuela — as Venezuela has long imported a majority of its food, much of it originating in countries that are among the world’s largest producers of genetically modified foods — one clear effect has been preventing companies like Monsanto and other major agrochemical and seed companies from gaining any significant foothold in the Venezuelan market.

    ........
    Why is a top to Marco Rubio increasing his stake in Bayer while others flee?

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/how-gm...ezuela/258232/
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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Look... At some point when it comes to Venezuela someone has to be the adult in the room. You don't think a Russian news source is not as biased as a conservative U.S. news source in this? In all this I have to question about the welfare of a people. They did indeed screw up and vote themselves into a socialism system that failed and they are now responsible for their own oppression. And in reality Guaido might not actually have any better intentions than Maduro. But at some point I have to wonder when or if anyone is ever going to allow the people of Venezuela to realize they made a mistake and care about their future as human beings? They made a mistake and have realized this but they are still human beings.

    I also DO NOT trust the true intentions and interests of our own government. I am not trusting that saving humanity is their true intention as an establishment, Especially the MIC who's bottom line has been hit with Trump's recent actions. And I am absolutely opposed to intervention or war and think this should be worked out by the people of that nation among themselves. But this includes no intervention from Russia either but there is, and to cheer-lead this is equally wrong. And to take a side as you have done here and cheer-lead an oppressive government, from either side over it's people tells of an agenda. It shows all lack of human concern for a people who are or will be truly starving to death.

    I have a friend who lived through the communist reign in Poland. Before it was over with there were mothers who were imprisoned for dissidence feeding their children chunks of their arms and legs to keep them alive. This will soon be the problem in Venezuela if someone doesn't become the adult in the room to help them despite their mistakes. I am starting to wonder if this is not the agenda with supporting this extreme oppression. I think the agenda is to help make it so bad that there will be a push to mass allow thousands of refugees from Venezuela into this country. And I think anyone like yourself who supports Maduro oppression and labels opposition as traitors is working towards this as the true final result.

    As far as principles go, Based on your definition of traitors, you might as well call Ron Paul and all his supporters in the liberty movement traitors because they oppose our OWN oppressive government and it's actions. We could all be considered as traitors and dissidents using the perspective you are using. Is that the plan? Help support burning it down so that we have to bring them here out of pity? Do we not feel any pity for these people before this needs to happen? Those you call traitors in Venezuela are those who are trying to make a good faith effort to repair their own situation as citizens of that nation. You have shown that you think a people are wrong and should not make efforts to oppose a failed oppressive government and leader.

    I have to give them credit for at least realizing their own mistake and making a best effort to repair it. I think it is courageous for them to make a stand. It is something that even ourselves cannot claim we have the balls to do.
    Talk about building a big and beautiful strawman. Sorry but I have no idea where invisible said that Ron Paul in coordination with foreign enemies of the country tried to overthrow the leadership of the country. Btw if Ron Paul or anyone on this forum did that, they also would be guilty of treason. It doesn't stop being a crime just because your intentions are good.

    Btw, some of those traitors you think are making good effort to repair their country have receptive to US military invasion of the country. So, he can be an opposition candidate like Ron Paul did in the US without getting into trouble but once one crosses over into plotting coup and armed insurrections, then they should be charged and locked up when caught.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  28. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Talk about building a big and beautiful strawman. Sorry but I have no idea where invisible said that Ron Paul in coordination with foreign enemies of the country tried to overthrow the leadership of the country. Btw if Ron Paul or anyone on this forum did that, they also would be guilty of treason. It doesn't stop being a crime just because your intentions are good.

    Btw, some of those traitors you think are making good effort to repair their country have receptive to US military invasion of the country. So, he can be an opposition candidate like Ron Paul did in the US without getting into trouble but once one crosses over into plotting coup and armed insurrections, then they should be charged and locked up when caught.
    Spin again... You are reading, injecting, and taking out of context a concept totally false from what I just said. And the concept that there is even such a thing as an armed insurrection is absolutely 180 from the liberty movement that I have known for the last 10 years. You spout government control over the people rather than people control over the government.

    ABSOLUTELY 180 FROM THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT...

    Nice try though, not going to fly.

  29. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    "The government's going to pay for it", socialist/communist Trump?

    <br>

    Regime change of US Communists first.

    2020, the Communist regime in the USA falls?
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  31. #237

    Lightbulb Pardon & Pacify Them

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Talk about building a big and beautiful strawman. Sorry but I have no idea where invisible said that Ron Paul in coordination with foreign enemies of the country tried to overthrow the leadership of the country. Btw if Ron Paul or anyone on this forum did that, they also would be guilty of treason. It doesn't stop being a crime just because your intentions are good.

    Btw, some of those traitors you think are making good effort to repair their country have receptive to US military invasion of the country. So, he can be an opposition candidate like Ron Paul did in the US without getting into trouble but once one crosses over into plotting coup and armed insurrections, then they should be charged and locked up when caught.
    This nation was founded by a bunch of malcontent revolutionaries.

    plotting coup
    armed insurrections

    "god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure. our Convention has been too much impressed by. . ."

    ~ Thomas Jefferson to William Smith
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    This nation was founded by a bunch of malcontent revolutionaries.

    plotting coup
    armed insurrections
    Yes it was... And until we are disarmed like Venezuela... we might remain free and always have this deterrent to prevent tyranny from our own government. Personally... And I am not alone in this,... I think the time has come to go sweep the whole damned thing out and start over.

  33. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    This nation was founded by a bunch of malcontent revolutionaries.

    plotting coup
    armed insurrections
    Plotting a coup or plotting their independence? The armed insurrection was used to fight for our independence and every single one of those involved knew that they would be jailed or killed if their plot failed. But the Venezuelan George Washington who is not a traitor btw has no fear of being jailed because his CIA handler who are trying to make Venezuela a colony will attack the country if the people via their leader did anything to him.

    So yea, I can see the similarities between Guido's coup attempt and the fight for our independence
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Plotting a coup or plotting their independence? The armed insurrection was used to fight for our independence and every single one of those involved knew that they would be jailed or killed if their plot failed. But the Venezuelan George Washington who is not a traitor btw has no fear of being jailed because his CIA handler who are trying to make Venezuela a colony will attack the country if the people via their leader did anything to him.

    So yea, I can see the similarities between Guido's coup attempt and the fight for our independence
    WHAT ARMED INSURRECTION? They were disarmed and rendered as neutered or this would NEVER have happened in the first place. Fact.



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