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    Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."
    Do as we say, not as we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."
    Exactly. Always the lame excuse. Plus they like to redefine terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."
    Liberals on RPF be like "He's a CIA plant."
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Venezuela was my home, and socialism destroyed it. Slowly, it will destroy America, too.
    While neither 'Medicare for All' nor a wealth tax will turn America into Venezuela overnight, all it would take is a series of catastrophic policies.

    The first time I couldn’t buy food at the grocery store, I was 15 years old. It was 2014 in Caracas, Venezuela, and I had spent more than an hour in line waiting. When I got to the register, I noticed I had forgotten my ID that day. Without the ID, the government rationing system would not let the supermarket sell my family the full quota of food we needed. It was four days until the government allowed me to buy more.

    This was fairly normal for me. All my life, I lived under socialism in Venezuela until I left and came to the United States as a student in 2016. Because the regime in charge imposed price controls and nationalized the most important private industries, production plummeted. No wonder I had to wait hours in lines to buy simple products such as toothpaste or flour.

    And the shortages went far beyond the supermarket.

    My family and I suffered from blackouts and lack of water. The regime nationalized electricity in 2007 in an effort to make electricity “free.” [They are trying to do this in California. - B4L] Unsurprisingly, this resulted in underinvestment in the electrical grid. By 2016, my home lost power roughly once a week.

    Our water situation was even worse. Initially, my family didn’t have running water for only about one day per month, but as the years passed we sometimes went several weeks straight without it.
    ...
    The welfare programs, many minimum-wage hikes and nationalizations implemented by their regimes resulted in a colossal government deficit that the central bank covered by simply printing more money — leading to rampant inflation. Now, prices double every few weeks, and the standard of living continues to plummet.

    I watched what was once one of the richest countries in Latin America gradually fall apart under the weight of big government.
    ...
    Though so many of us Venezuelans fled to the USA to escape from the destructive consequences of socialism, liberal politicians like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. José Serrano, D-N.Y., have praised the same kind of policies that produced famine, mass exodus and soaring inflation in Venezuela.
    ...
    Additionally, many congressional Democrats support Medicare for All and the Green New Deal, proposals that would nationalize the health insurance industry, guarantee everyone who wants it a job and massively raise taxes, increasing government intervention in the economy like few countries except Cuba and Venezuela have seen before. Proponents think that they can give all Americans quality health care, housing and everything for free and that somehow, politicians can do a better job at running a business than the business owners themselves.

    These proposals would skyrocket the budget deficit and national debt, which just reached a record $22 trillion. If that is not enough, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed paying for the proposal by asking the Federal Reserve to print money. This is exactly what produced Venezuela’s nightmare.
    ...
    More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2861461002/
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    I love this line the most

    I can assure Mr. Krugman that I’m neither uninformed nor dishonest
    Because if he was uninformed or dishonest, he would know this and let us in on it. A man wh was born during the so called socialist regime has no historic context to judge the situation. I am sure a similar teen who supports Chavez can write such a dishonest article where he doesn't mention anything about socialism and only talks about US and its sanctions expecting me to believe the garbage.

    Anyone that talks to you about mixed economy Venezuela without mentioning US meddling(sanctions, multiple coup attempts etc) is a fraud, ignore everything they have to say about Venezuela and move on. They are trying to bamboozle you.
    Last edited by juleswin; 02-21-2019 at 04:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I love this line the most



    Because if he was uninformed or dishonest, he would know this and let us in on it. A man wh was born during the so called socialist regime has no historic context to judge the situation. I am sure a similar teen who supports Chavez can write such a dishonest article where he doesn't mention anything about socialism and only talks about US and its sanctions expecting me to believe the garbage.

    Anyone that talks to you about mixed economy Venezuela without mentioning US meddling(sanctions, multiple coup attempts etc) is a fraud, ignore everything they have to say about Venezuela and move on. They are trying to bamboozle you.
    "It's not real socialism"

    Right on cue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "It's not real socialism"

    Right on cue.
    "He's a CIA plant"

    Right on cue as well.

    I know more than few people in the oil business who have had a front row seat to the swirling toilet bowl of Venezuelan socialism.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-21-2019 at 05:29 PM.

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    Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

    on't believe me?
    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...venezuela.aspx

    Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "It's not real socialism"

    Right on cue.
    You know, I have liberal friends who tell me that we have tried capitalist healthcare system in this country and it has failed, they say its time to try socialism. They say the same thing you tell me when I try to explain to them that what we had is not real capitalism, it is a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

    You should know better but I have to say that I am not surprised that you are just as ignorant and partisan as my liberal friends. Carry on believeing that Venezuela doesn't have a mixed economic system, I don't think I have the mental fortitude to cure you of your ignorance.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

    on't believe me?
    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...venezuela.aspx

    Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.
    Rand Paul is at best average when it comes to foreign policy. This is a man who to this day still believes that the historic feud between shia and sunni is the main cause of the Syria war, a man who voted for Iran sanctions. The man looks good on foreign policy only because just about everybody else is horrible on the issue. I would hope Rand works on eradicating the socialism in this country before trying to stick his dirty nose in a places it doesn't belong.

    Unfortunately for all of us, Rand Paul is definitely no Ron Paul and nt even close
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You know, I have liberal friends who tell me that we have tried capitalist healthcare system in this country and it has failed, they say its time to try socialism. They say the same thing you tell me when I try to explain to them that what we had is not real capitalism, it is a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

    You should know better but I have to say that I am not surprised that you are just as ignorant and partisan as my liberal friends. Carry on believeing that Venezuela doesn't have a mixed economic system, I don't think I have the mental fortitude to cure you of your ignorance.
    Pure capitalism is capitalism, anything else is some degree of socialism.

    But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

    on't believe me?
    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...venezuela.aspx

    Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.
    Socialism was destroying Venezuela long before there were any sanctions, they have been socialist since Bolivar, Chavez and Maduro only made things much worse and even the sanctions on them didn't do nearly the damage that socialism did, they had plenty of help from Cuba, Russia, China and other anti-western countries to compensate for the sanctions.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Socialism was destroying Venezuela long before there were any sanctions, they have been socialist since Bolivar, Chavez and Maduro only made things much worse and even the sanctions on them didn't do nearly the damage that socialism did, they had plenty of help from Cuba, Russia, China and other anti-western countries to compensate for the sanctions.
    LOL

    Angry Commie negged me for daring to disagree with him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pure capitalism is capitalism, anything else is some degree of socialism.

    But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.
    Isn't it awfully convenient for your side to categorize everything with a hint of socialism as socialist while nothing system is capitalist? sort like the 1 drop rule but with economies. Sorry but the same way a half golden retriever, half alsatian dog cant be called an alsatian, that is the same way a mixed economic system can't be refered to as capitalist nor socialist. Everything doesn't have to be black or white.

    So when people say Venezuala is not real socialism, there is a good reason for that.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Isn't it awfully convenient for your side to categorize everything with a hint of socialism as socialist while nothing system is capitalist? sort like the 1 drop rule but with economies. Sorry but the same way a half golden retriever, half alsatian dog cant be called an alsatian, that is the same way a mixed economic system can't be refered to as capitalist nor socialist. Everything doesn't have to be black or white.

    So when people say Venezuala is not real socialism, there is a good reason for that.
    I covered that argument:

    But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    "He's a CIA plant"

    Right on cue as well.

    I know more than few people in the oil business who have had a front row seat to the swirling toilet bowl of Venezuelan socialism.
    I meant Rand.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I covered that argument:

    But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.
    What percentage is that? and what is the cut off?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    What percentage is that? and what is the cut off?
    You tell me, you are the one who wants there to be such a thing as a "mixed" economy.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You tell me, you are the one who wants there to be such a thing as a "mixed" economy.
    Public Sector Employment in Venezuela Is Not So Large as the Associated Press Suggests
    Published: 11 October 2012

    An Associated Press article dated October 9 states that Venezuela has

    “ at least 2.4 million national government employees, making up 8 percent of the country's population. By comparison, the United States, with tenfold the population, has almost the same number of federal employees, at 2.7 million.”

    If Venezuela really had 10 times as many public employees as the U.S., relative to its labor force, this would be amazing. However it is not true.

    Venezuela actually has, according to the latest statistics, 2.49 million public employees – including all levels of government. With a labor force of about 13.5 million, this is about 18.4 percent of the labor force. (Labor force is a better denominator than total population because of different demographics between countries).

    The U.S. as of September 2012 had 22 million public employees, or 14.2 percent of the labor force. Thus the difference in public employment between Venezuela and the U.S. is therefore about 4 percentage points.

    One reason for the AP’s misleading comparison is that it does not take into account that most public employees in the U.S. (19.2 million of 22 million) are employed at the state and local level. In most other countries, including Venezuela, the reverse is true.

    Of course the U.S. has a relatively low level of public employment compared to other high-income countries. France, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway all have public sector employment percentages in the 20s, with France at 22 percent and Norway at 29 percent.

    In this article, the author is using Venezuela’s public employment to argue that Chávez had a big advantage over his opponent in the recent election. However this is not clear. Most of the wealth and income of the country still belongs to people who oppose the government, and several studies show that the majority of the media (pdf) was biased in favor of Capriles. Whether Chávez’s speeches on television could compensate for this overall media bias against him is not at all clear.

    Political scientist Justin Delacour, who has studied media coverage of Venezuela for many years, argues that this article shows a considerable double standard on the part of AP. He writes: “I cannot recall one time in all my years of reading AP reports that these sorts of electoral advantages have ever been discussed by your newswire. It is only when a left-wing party acquires significant PR resources that your newswire is suddenly so concerned about fairness on the PR front in a country's electoral process.” He notes that most media in Latin America are biased in favor of right-wing or center-right parties, but that has not been an issue in AP reporting.
    http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-b...press-suggests

    And another AP article that not only criticizes socialism but savages the Chavez govt in its report.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-s...chavez-crusade

    My answer would be that a country is definitely socialist if more than 75% of the GDP comes from the public sector. For me, it has to be a super majority
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-b...press-suggests

    And another AP article that not only criticizes socialism but savages the Chavez govt in its report.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-s...chavez-crusade

    My answer would be that a country is definitely socialist if more than 75% of the GDP comes from the public sector. For me, it has to be a super majority
    How many private companies must be nationalized?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How many private companies must be nationalized?
    I like your strategy, answering all my questions with mre questions. Its an easy way to dodge answering hard questions. Carryon man, I will return when u grow some balls
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I like your strategy, answering all my questions with mre questions. Its an easy way to dodge answering hard questions. Carryon man, I will return when u grow some balls
    LOL

    My strategy is to make you commit to specifics instead of just chanting "that's not real socialism".

    I see you don't want to deal with the nationalizations and we haven't even gotten to all of the price controls yet.

    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Angry Commie negged me for daring to disagree with him.
    If this were real life, he'd shoot you in the head.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    If this were real life, he'd shoot you in the head.
    From behind.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.
    That doesn't matter to those who are buying what Rand is selling


    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.
    This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned. But Rand is a Paul, so it's better to just obey and not question. Even if it goes against everything Ron Paul stood for over 30+ years. Rand was and is his father's worst nightmare. He has either alienated many of his fathers supporters or taken them for granted. Well not me, I'm here for principles not people. F rand.



    That was after Papa Paul lied to his supporters about making a deal, so as to keep the money flowing in. It's a tragic end to a superb career, one where Ron Paul was the only truth teller in the wasteland that is Washington, District of Crininals.

    The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:





    Is Tulsi Perfect?

    Hell NO- but we were all told repeatedly in 2012 that no candidate is perfect. Rand said so himself, while endorsing a disgusting person for president. As soon as someone better comes along with a similar anti-war message (right now Tulsi is the only one) I'll support them. The most important thing now is that the US stop blowing the future on bombing and invading other countries. How many more Trillions are the American people going to allow to be squandered?
    Rand Paul lied about Crimea & Iran
    Rand- "US Must Take Strong Action Against Putin’s Aggression"
    “I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot, I’m not a libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican. I’m a constitutional conservative”-Rand Paul
    “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” PNAC report September 2000

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    That doesn't matter to those who are buying what Rand is selling




    This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned. But Rand is a Paul, so it's better to just obey and not question. Even if it goes against everything Ron Paul stood for over 30+ years. Rand was and is his father's worst nightmare. He has either alienated many of his fathers supporters or taken them for granted. Well not me, I'm here for principles not people. F rand.



    That was after Papa Paul lied to his supporters about making a deal, so as to keep the money flowing in. It's a tragic end to a superb career, one where Ron Paul was the only truth teller in the wasteland that is Washington, District of Crininals.

    The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:





    Is Tulsi Perfect?

    Hell NO- but we were all told repeatedly in 2012 that no candidate is perfect. Rand said so himself, while endorsing a disgusting person for president. As soon as someone better comes along with a similar anti-war message (right now Tulsi is the only one) I'll support them. The most important thing now is that the US stop blowing the future on bombing and invading other countries. How many more Trillions are the American people going to allow to be squandered?
    Tulsi isn't just not perfect, she is not even close:

    https://twitter.com/TheView/status/1098280827048194048

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:

    It is the proper response.

    And our response should be to close the borders and cease all immigration, especially from failed socialist states.

    If they want to survive on zoo animals and pograms, that's on them. Tough $#@! for them, I say.

    Don't even think about bringing that trash here.

  34. #30
    More like CIAism is destroying Venezuela. I wonder why we are ignoring the un Federal non Reserve having Federal Reserve. The CIA has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for decades, thats what destroying Venezuela. The Petro Dollar anyone? It couldn't be all the oil Venezuela has that "Socialism" wants to destroy is it?

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