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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    How exactly is it "necessary" when it won't even go across the entire border? How exactly is it "necessary" when 4 out of 5 trucks from Mexico are allowed into this country without inspection? And did you notice that the Honduran migrants went to the part of the border where there is already a wall? There's a reason for that. Technically all they have to do to apply for asylum is to get a foot on U.S. soil. The "Mexico" side of the border wall is still U.S. soil. You've been sold a bill of goods.
    Of course the policies implemented are half ass but it is better than a completely open border. It is somewhat of a deterrent, just not enough.



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Why not both? I see this allot here that if you are for the wall you are against ending incentives. I do not think there is anyone here that wants to keep incentives. The only split is between those who want border security with the wall and those who don't.

    If you have an entry point being flooded by thousands of people the wall sounds like the cheapest solution to prevent the invasion. We just do not have enough man power to physically stop the numbers that are crossing. The more that cross the more spending to care for and process them.
    For one thing the wall increases spending, so it's hard to believe someone wants to cut spending when they want to increase it at the same time. Everyone wants to cut "some" spending. Only the ones that are serious want to cut "all" spending".

    Another thing is that immigration and all the other tiny debates are a distraction from the big problem which is spending. Again, it's hard to take someone serious about spending cuts when they never mention it.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Still better than Hillary. He is not completely what he campaigned on, nor ideal but we are not as far down the road as Hillary would have taken us.
    I agree that the republicans are much better in relation to the democrats. The problem is that the republicans are still moving us in the direction of socialism, but at a slower pace. The even bigger problem is that when the economy crashes from all the debt it's going to get blamed on the republicans and a failure of capitalism. That's why I wanted Hillary to win. I wanted a nice, clean, failed experiment with socialism. Now the failure is going to get wrongly blamed on capitalism.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    For one thing the wall increases spending, so it's hard to believe someone wants to cut spending when they want to increase it at the same time. Everyone wants to cut "some" spending. Only the ones that are serious want to cut "all" spending".

    Another thing is that immigration and all the other tiny debates are a distraction from the big problem which is spending. Again, it's hard to take someone serious about spending cuts when they never mention it.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Madison320 again.


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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    For one thing the wall increases spending, so it's hard to believe someone wants to cut spending when they want to increase it at the same time. Everyone wants to cut "some" spending. Only the ones that are serious want to cut "all" spending".

    Another thing is that immigration and all the other tiny debates are a distraction from the big problem which is spending. Again, it's hard to take someone serious about spending cuts when they never mention it.
    It temporarily increases spending. The more immigrants flowing across the more money it costs to house them and process them. Then when they are here they will cost us more in social program at the state and federal level. It is a pipe dream to believe the federal government and every state is going to immediately stop benefits to illegals. In the mean time Americans are stuck paying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree that the republicans are much better in relation to the democrats. The problem is that the republicans are still moving us in the direction of socialism, but at a slower pace. The even bigger problem is that when the economy crashes from all the debt it's going to get blamed on the republicans and a failure of capitalism. That's why I wanted Hillary to win. I wanted a nice, clean, failed experiment with socialism. Now the failure is going to get wrongly blamed on capitalism.
    In the meantime we suffer through it for 50 or so years by giving the left what they want? We are not going to live forever and we are all making the best of the time we have while we are here by keeping our money out of government hands by slowing them down instead.

    All this shilling for open borders out of fear of government spending for the wall is going to give you more government spending in the long run when these people become citizens and vote for more government spending.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    It is a pipe dream to believe the federal government and every state is going to immediately stop benefits to illegals.
    True. But it's an even bigger pipe dream to think that the government is ever going to be able to stop the flow of immigrants as long as the benefits are there. First, you can't build a dam high enough to fight the pressure of the incentives. Second, you'd have to believe that politicians actually want to solve a problem rather than have it as a continuous wedge issue that drives fundraising.

    So, I mean, if you're going to have pipe dreams anyway, why not have the ones that involve liberty?
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    It temporarily increases spending. The more immigrants flowing across the more money it costs to house them and process them. Then when they are here they will cost us more in social program at the state and federal level. It is a pipe dream to believe the federal government and every state is going to immediately stop benefits to illegals. In the mean time Americans are stuck paying.
    It's an "investment". Ha! Ha!

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    True. But it's an even bigger pipe dream to think that the government is ever going to be able to stop the flow of immigrants as long as the benefits are there. First, you can't build a dam high enough to fight the pressure of the incentives. Second, you'd have to believe that politicians actually want to solve a problem rather than have it as a continuous wedge issue that drives fundraising.

    So, I mean, if you're going to have pipe dreams anyway, why not have the ones that involve liberty?
    I totally agree. For example if drugs were legal that would stop most of the gang related problems. Another huge problem is the cost of hiring a legal US worker. If the cost of hiring an legal worker was the same as hiring an illegal worker, most companies would hire legal ones. I'm annoyed at people here who want to make it even harder than it already is for a company to hire someone.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    If so then what would be the point of that? Why would someone write two books, countless blog posts and tweets praising Trump to one day do a 180 if she does not really believe he betrayed the plan? Simply page views and gigs, or do you have something else in mind?
    To gain credibility with Trump's fans so that she can better undermine him before he can be reelected.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Immigration is microscopic compared to the main problem. Spending and debt.
    Immigration is a roadblock that will prevent us from solving spending and debt.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think the rationale was that he was better than Hillary, well Romney(maybe not McCain) would also be better than Obama, but we did not go for that. I think with Trump, the winning argument was the lie about securing the border and non interventionist foreign policy. Both policies he is getting a failing grade on. Ann Coulter nailed it on this one, the biggest national emergency is the fact that our president is an idiot.
    Romney would have been worse than O'Bummer and certainly much worse than Trump.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    True. But it's an even bigger pipe dream to think that the government is ever going to be able to stop the flow of immigrants as long as the benefits are there. First, you can't build a dam high enough to fight the pressure of the incentives. Second, you'd have to believe that politicians actually want to solve a problem rather than have it as a continuous wedge issue that drives fundraising.

    So, I mean, if you're going to have pipe dreams anyway, why not have the ones that involve liberty?
    It is not a pipe dream, controlling immigration is really quite easy.

    Your pipe dream doesn't involve liberty, it involves a never ending invasion of leeches who ensure that liberty can never sprout again.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Romney would have been worse than O'Bummer and certainly much worse than Trump.
    Tell that to Rand Paul who supported Mitt Romney



    Btw, I am posting this not necessarily to suggest Rand was right in saying Romney would be better than Obama. But you seem to dismiss Coulter earlier in the thread for saying the same thing, now are you going to dismess Rand for endorsing Romney?

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Tell that to Rand Paul who supported Mitt Romney



    Btw, I am posting this not necessarily to suggest Rand was right in saying Romney would be better than Obama. But you seem to dismiss Coulter earlier in the thread for saying the same thing, now are you going to dismess Rand for endorsing Romney?
    Nobody liked Rand supporting Romney but he had better reasons for doing so than Coulter, he needed the cooperation of other Republicans to get things done in the Senate, she is a pundit who is supposed to hold our side's feet to the fire and denounce scum like Romney.

    Rand has a much better record than Coulter on so many other things as well.

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Immigration is a roadblock that will prevent us from solving spending and debt.
    No, the roadblock is the existing US citizens that want free stuff. Immigration is like a piece of string across the road.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    No, the roadblock is the existing US citizens that want free stuff. Immigration is like a piece of string across the road.
    The native left is a speedbump, immigrants are the bricks that are used to turn them into a roadblock.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The native left is a speedbump, immigrants are the bricks that are used to turn them into a roadblock.
    Based on what?

    If you look at the percentage of federal dollars going to US citizens and the percentage of registered voters who are not new immigrants, you'd find that the problem is 99.9% with existing US citizens.

    It would be interesting to see if there's a correlation between numbers of immigrants and prosperity among countries.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Based on what?

    If you look at the percentage of federal dollars going to US citizens and the percentage of registered voters who are not new immigrants, you'd find that the problem is 99.9% with existing US citizens.

    It would be interesting to see if there's a correlation between numbers of immigrants and prosperity among countries.



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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is not a pipe dream, controlling immigration is really quite easy.
    Oh, sure. Nothing to it.

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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Based on what?

    If you look at the percentage of federal dollars going to US citizens and the percentage of registered voters who are not new immigrants, you'd find that the problem is 99.9% with existing US citizens.

    It would be interesting to see if there's a correlation between numbers of immigrants and prosperity among countries.
    Based on the fact that immigrant households receive welfare at twice the rate of the natives and vote for the Demoncrats by much higher margins.

    But even if every native leftist was Lenin they still had only about half the country on their side and with enough campaigning and education we could overcome them but if they are allowed to import unlimited reinforcements we will never turn the tide.
    I believe that we have actually made progress with the natives but the left has imported enough reinforcements to overcome it and not only keep thing almost evenly split but start to gain ground.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Based on the fact that immigrant households receive welfare at twice the rate of the natives and vote for the Demoncrats by much higher margins.

    But even if every native leftist was Lenin they still had only about half the country on their side and with enough campaigning and education we could overcome them but if they are allowed to import unlimited reinforcements we will never turn the tide.
    I believe that we have actually made progress with the natives but the left has imported enough reinforcements to overcome it and not only keep thing almost evenly split but start to gain ground.
    I agree and I've always aid that's the big problem with immigration. That they lean strongly left. But it's a higher percentage of a tiny number. And the solution is not to build a wall. I'm in favor of controlling immigration but not with a wall.

    Where are you seeing progress with the natives in terms of the real problem which is spending?

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post



    There were a bunch more of these first, second, third generation charts he put up in one of the podcasts, wish I could find the rest..
    I agree but it's a tiny percentage in relation to the natives.

    You'd be more believable if you weren't always apologizing for the massive increases in spending since Trump took over.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, sure. Nothing to it.

    If you're talking about Monaco.

    I know, right?

    And somehow the same federal government that can't even manage to keep "illegal" drugs out of their own maximum security prisons is going to magically acquire the competence to curtail "illegal" immigration without having to construct a massive, Big Brotheresque "Fortress America" type police/surveillance state? Riiiiight.

    And I get called a utopian dreamer.
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  28. #84
    Seriously, Trump supporters have not thought this all the way through. And it's said to see such a lack of critical thinking at a place that I once thought thrived on it.
    So you would have preferred Hillary's picks for the supreme court then, that would effect libertarians and conservatives for decades not just 4-8 years ?

    Strategic voting to prevent a wipe out at the supreme court level, is a debate this forum can have all day everyday, talk to Rand Paul if you need clarification on this topic.
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    So you would have preferred Hillary's picks for the supreme court then, that would effect libertarians and conservatives for decades not just 4-8 years ?

    Strategic voting to prevent a wipe out at the supreme court level, is a debate this forum can have all day everyday, talk to Rand Paul if you need clarification on this topic.
    That's a good point, on the other hand Trump is very likely paving the way for a Bernie Sanders type leftist in 2020. If Hillary was in charge we'd have a worse supreme court but it's much more likely we'd get someone like Rand Paul in 2020.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree and I've always aid that's the big problem with immigration. That they lean strongly left. But it's a higher percentage of a tiny number. And the solution is not to build a wall. I'm in favor of controlling immigration but not with a wall.

    Where are you seeing progress with the natives in terms of the real problem which is spending?
    The Tea Party and other similar movements, the GOP blunted it but the voter base definitely improved.

    I don't think we made enough progress but I believe we did make progress that was then overwhelmed through immigration.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a good point, on the other hand Trump is very likely paving the way for a Bernie Sanders type leftist in 2020. If Hillary was in charge we'd have a worse supreme court but it's much more likely we'd get someone like Rand Paul in 2020.
    Timing is everything when it comes to SCOTUS, what good would it do to get Rand in 2020 or 2024 if SCOTUS overruled him on everything?

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Tea Party and other similar movements, the GOP blunted it but the voter base definitely improved.

    I don't think we made enough progress but I believe we did make progress that was then overwhelmed through immigration.
    Overwhelmed though immigration!!! C'mon man. I'm guessing that the amount of federal money spent on immigrants is less than 1% of the total budget. Probably WAY less. And the same for the amount of new voters that are recent immigrants. I'll bet it's closer to .01%.

    I'll bet there's a lot more immigration in free countries like Singapore and Hong Kong compared to totalitarian countries like Russia and North Korea.

    Again, I'm not saying immigrants aren't having a negative impact but it's not remotely close to the main problem. I doubt it cracks the top twenty. The spending damage that Trump and the republicans have done is probably thousands of times more than the spending damage done by immigrants. Did immigrants forced Trump to increase spending by what several hundred billion in his first 2 years?



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Overwhelmed though immigration!!! C'mon man. I'm guessing that the amount of federal money spent on immigrants is less than 1% of the total budget. Probably WAY less. And the same for the amount of new voters that are recent immigrants. I'll bet it's closer to .01%.

    I'll bet there's a lot more immigration in free countries like Singapore and Hong Kong compared to totalitarian countries like Russia and North Korea.

    Again, I'm not saying immigrants aren't having a negative impact but it's not remotely close to the main problem. I doubt it cracks the top twenty. The spending damage that Trump and the republicans have done is probably thousands of times more than the spending damage done by immigrants. Did immigrants forced Trump to increase spending by what several hundred billion in his first 2 years?
    We do have many problems but immigrants are the last straw that threatens to break our back and prevent us from solving the others.

    Recent immigrants aren't the only thing we are talking about, it takes quite a few generations for their descendants assimilate, we are much worse off because of immigrants that came here 50 years ago and we will be much worse off 50 years from now because of the immigrants that are allowed in currently.
    If we don't solve the immigration problem we won't have a future even if we temporarily solve our other problems right now.

    And illegal voting by immigrants is a much bigger problem than you seem to think.
    Remember that the other side only has to win by one vote, excessive and illegal immigration is like letting a gambler keep "just one" ace up his sleeve.

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