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    Ann Coulter: Trump Failing. Don't ask me to lie about it

    While I admire people's loyalty to the first presidential candidate to speak honestly about America's problems, what if they're being loyal to a false front?

    The bill President Trump signed last Friday is worse than anything Hillary could ever have gotten through Congress.

    To mention the two most shocking examples, the bill prohibits Trump from using any Homeland Security funds to build a wall anywhere along the border..
    ...
    Inasmuch as the "local authorities" in that particular sector are liberal Democrats and/or beholden to Mexican cartels, the bill Trump just signed effectively prohibits any barrier whatsoever from being built on the border.

    The bill also expressly prohibits the deportation of any illegal aliens who are part of a household, or thinking of becoming part of a household, that contains an "unaccompanied minor" -- i.e. any illegal alien who claims to be under 18 years old with no parent in the country.

    This is why the bill is being referred to as the Pedophiles-Go-Free Act.
    ...
    -- Since Trump signed the bill, Vice President Pence has re-hired Koch brothers' shill Marc Short, whose main mission seems to be blocking a wall and passing an amnesty bill -- just as the Koch brothers would want.

    -- And Jared is readying his big amnesty plan!

    From the looks of things, I'm not worried that Putin has kompromat on Trump. I'm worried that the Koch brothers have kompromat on Trump.

    ....

    I'd love for the 3-D chess crowd to explain to me how it's Paul Ryan's fault that Trump filled up his White House with staffers actively opposed to his agenda and -- until he won the nomination –- actively opposed to Trump.

    It's not as if Trump doesn't fire people over issues he cares about. Annoyed with the (idiotic) Russia investigation, he's deep-sixed James Comey, Andrew McCabe and Jeff Sessions. To promote Jared, he's fired Corey Lewandowski and Steve Bannon.
    ...
    If the base totally wakes up to all these betrayals and Trump does not some how reverse course, doubtful, the only thing I see Trump has going for him in 2020 is the Democrats running candidates so far left that Trump looks like the most reasonable candidate for Democrats.

    Maybe that is what they are banking on. Even Bernie made identity politics central to his new campaign and that is not going to win him back his base that are with Trump now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    If the base totally wakes up to all these betrayals and Trump does not some how reverse course, doubtful, the only thing I see Trump has going for him in 2020 is the Democrats running candidates so far left that Trump looks like the most reasonable candidate for Democrats.

    Maybe that is what they are banking on. Even Bernie made identity politics central to his new campaign and that is not going to win him back his base that are with Trump now.
    Anne Coulter, again?
    Is she the apple of Adam's eye now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    If the base totally wakes up to all these betrayals and Trump does not some how reverse course, doubtful, the only thing I see Trump has going for him in 2020 is the Democrats running candidates so far left that Trump looks like the most reasonable candidate for Democrats.

    Maybe that is what they are banking on. Even Bernie made identity politics central to his new campaign and that is not going to win him back his base that are with Trump now.
    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/statu...87794110259200

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/statu...87794110259200


    I don't know why on earth I even clicked on that link. I don't know what's sadder, her or the ones ragging on her.


    Yep, this country is toast. Burnt on both sides.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't know why on earth I even clicked on that link. I don't know what's sadder, her or the ones ragging on her.


    Yep, this country is toast. Burnt on both sides.
    I am rapidly losing all faith. Coulter is a pos but that is beside the point ,
    she is partially right on every stab she takes at Trump, he has
    disappointed me to no end, and I can assure everyone here that I was
    a much more vocal supporter of him that any 20 members here, that
    is a fact.
    Romney though is a complete joke from go' .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I am rapidly losing all faith. Coulter is a pos but that is beside the point ,
    she is partially right on every stab she takes at Trump, he has
    disappointed me to no end, and I can assure everyone here that I was
    a much more vocal supporter of him that any 20 members here, that
    is a fact.
    Romney though is a complete joke from go' .

    Romney got a D- by GOA, supported Tsongas, raised taxes I mean fees 7 times and the republicans chanted USA USA!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Romney got a D- by GOA, supported Tsongas, raised taxes I mean fees 7 times and the republicans chanted USA USA!
    He's a globalist prick , and loves tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Romney got a D- by GOA, supported Tsongas, raised taxes I mean fees 7 times and the republicans chanted USA USA!
    Hillary even got her 23 fans in the stands to yell USA, they're all pathetic.



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    Funny how what she wrote is ignored and we are going all the way back to discussing Romney.

    Just goes to show some people will support Jeb Trump no matter how far to the left he governs. As long as the rhetoric sounds good and says he is getting things done, regardless of any facts, some people are happy with that.

    None of this matters anyway since Trump's failure will give us permanent Democratic majorities in the future. But hey, as long as it looks like we are winning in the fake news media everything is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Funny how what she wrote is ignored and we are going all the way back to discussing Romney.

    Just goes to show some people will support Jeb Trump no matter how far to the left he governs. As long as the rhetoric sounds good and says he is getting things done, regardless of any facts, some people are happy with that.

    None of this matters anyway since Trump's failure will give us permanent Democratic majorities in the future. But hey, as long as it looks like we are winning in the fake news media everything is great.
    I'm waiting to see what Trump does in the next 2 years, I just thought that Coulter's past history should be taken into account when deciding how much weight to give to her opinions.

    Every time I think I am sure to vote for Trump in 2020 he seems to do something to make me question it again but he has 2 more years.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Funny how what she wrote is ignored and we are going all the way back to discussing Romney.

    Just goes to show some people will support Jeb Trump no matter how far to the left he governs. As long as the rhetoric sounds good and says he is getting things done, regardless of any facts, some people are happy with that.

    None of this matters anyway since Trump's failure will give us permanent Democratic majorities in the future. But hey, as long as it looks like we are winning in the fake news media everything is great.
    More relevant info:



    That ‘amnesty’ claim is based on section 224 of the budget -- which appears, on first glance, to block the deportation of many people who are illegally in the U.S.
    That’s because it states that no funds may be used to detain or deport any "sponsor" or "potential sponsor" of an "unaccompanied alien child." It adds that even any "member of a household" of a "potential sponsor" is now immune from deportation.
    But a DHS official told Fox News that terms like "potential sponsor" have precise meanings in Department of Homeland Security regulations -- meanings that severely limit the number of people the budget keeps safe from deportation.


    For example, to be a "potential sponsor" according to the DHS regulations, one must file significant paperwork -- such as showing ID (U.S. or foreign) and proof of residency. The adult applying must also submit documents about the child.
    Further, because the bill only applies to kids who are unaccompanied, it does not provide protection for those bringing kids into the US.
    That would significantly limit the number of people to whom the no-deportation provision applies.


    Chris Chmielenski, the deputy director of NumbersUSA, which fights for lower immigration levels and which urged President Trump to veto the budget, told Fox News that the provision is still problematic despite DHS’s clarifications.
    “We still have some serious concerns about the provision,” Chmielenski told Fox News. “It still protects these sponsors and/or relatives who make it into the US. That’s not a precedent we should be setting.”
    He noted that, despite the paperwork DHS demands of someone to become a “potential sponsor,” some might still try to game the system and that it could still encourage “unaccompanied” kids to be sent over the border.


    “We would prefer this wasn't in there. We would also hope this is something that expires at the end of fiscal year,” he said.
    The provision in the budget will be replaced by whatever the next budget says.
    Another major alleged “poison pill” that may be misunderstood is a clause requiring the federal government to "confer and seek to reach mutual agreement" with local governments before building any wall.
    The Center for Immigration Studies, which favors lower immigration levels, tweeted that “the spending bill would give local governments in the Rio Grande (all of which are *heavily* Democratic) the ability to veto the fence. If those blue municipalities don't agree with DHS, the fence can't get built.”
    But the DHS official told Fox News on background that the exact language in the budget -- "confer and seek to reach mutual agreement" – nowhere requires the federal government to actually reach an agreement before building fences.
    Rather, it just requires DHS to consult with local governments – something DHS already generally does, the official noted.

    Trump allies say that the information from DHS shines light on why Trump ultimately signed the bill after reviewing it. Some warned about “disinformation” on Thursday.
    “Just spoke with the White House. There will be NO Amnesty and NO path to citizenship,” Sebastian Gorka, a former deputy assistant to President Trump and a Fox News contributor, tweeted Thursday.
    Other criticisms of the budget Trump signed include that it allows the Department of Homeland Security to more than double the number of guest worker visas, from 65,000 to 135,000. However, the law merely allows the Secretary of Homeland Security to make such an increase; it would only happen if the secretary authorizes it.
    Another matter of contention is that the budget authorizes 45,000 ICE detention beds; an increase from the past budget which paid for 40,520 beds, but less than the number of detention beds ICE actually has.
    However, the number of beds authorized by Congress does not actually force ICE to reduce its number of beds, as they can use money from other parts of the budget.
    Gorka says the claims of the sky falling are overblown, and also told Fox News that it was silly to call anything in the budget “amnesty” because it’s just an annual budget.
    “How is a funding bill that expires before the end of the fiscal year able to create conditions for a lasting ‘amnesty?’” Gorka said.

    More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs...y-poison-pills
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm waiting to see what Trump does in the next 2 years, I just thought that Coulter's past history should be taken into account when deciding how much weight to give to her opinions.

    Every time I think I am sure to vote for Trump in 2020 he seems to do something to make me question it again but he has 2 more years.
    Sure looks like he intentionally tied his hands for 2 more years. How do you think he can turn it around given what we know about the bill discussed in the article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://twitter.com/anncoulter/statu...87794110259200

    Maybe he would have been better than Obama?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Lol

    Coulter: The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot
    Last edited by juleswin; 02-20-2019 at 09:36 PM.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Maybe he would have been better than Obama?
    No.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    When I see the name Ann Coulter, I just turn up the music and keep on driving.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley



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    2020 election. I have the flu on that day. Maybe I'll catch whatever team wins on the "news".
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Sure looks like he intentionally tied his hands for 2 more years. How do you think he can turn it around given what we know about the bill discussed in the article?
    According to what I have read his hands are not really tied by that bill, see the article I posted above for instance.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Trump isn't failing. If it looks like he's failing, it's because he wants you to think he's failing.

    Chapter 7 of Art of the Deal.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No.
    I think it is debatable whether Mitt Rommney would have been better than Obama because Obama was horrible.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think it is debatable whether Mitt Rommney would have been better than Obama because Obama was horrible.

    They had almost identical platforms. I worked that national election from local, state delegation, all the way to Tampa Convention as VIP.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think it is debatable whether Mitt Rommney would have been better than Obama because Obama was horrible.
    Romney is just as horrible and the Republicans would not have opposed him.

    Trump may or may not end up being good enough but he is much better than Romney.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think it is debatable whether Mitt Rommney would have been better than Obama because Obama was horrible.
    Obama just carried on with what W had put in place. Funny how Obama's the evil zombie while W is hardly talked about any more.

    And I'm not a fan of either.
    There is no spoon.

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    Even if she's right in some of her criticism, she's got to stop using insulting language about a sitting POTUS that seems to be crossing the line lately.
    That said, one of the most brilliant lawyers supporting MAGA also hinted that courts would reject "emergency" claim.

    Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer hints court may not agree with MAGA's "emergency declaration"



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Even if she's right in some of her criticism, she's got to stop using insulting language about a sitting POTUS that seems to be crossing the line lately.
    That said, one of the most brilliant lawyers supporting MAGA also hinted that courts would reject "emergency" claim.

    Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer hints court may not agree with MAGA's "emergency declaration"
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Trump isn't failing. If it looks like he's failing, it's because he wants you to think he's failing.

    Chapter 7 of Art of the Deal.
    don't expect a wall by 2020. The Trump admin has being to busy trying to push for regime changes in Venezuela and Iran.

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    Here is the wall being built right now.








    Trump is an idiot at times for sure, but Ann C. is the one lying when she said the other day not 1 foot of the wall has been built in two years.
    Yes it should have gone faster and be done better I agree, but Trump is like a child he gets easily distracted about other things that get put in front of him. He has to be reminded, remember what you promised. And he has faced high levels of obstruction from everybody all around him including Ivanka and Jerrod.

    But as for re-election the Democrats are going so anti-Trump that one of them said they would tear down the existing walls to basically erase Trumps few miles of legacy. I don't think Americans want their money wasted like that going backwards on border security.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Here is the wall being built right now.








    Trump is an idiot at times for sure, but Ann C. is the one lying when she said the other day not 1 foot of the wall has been built in two years.
    Yes it should have gone faster and be done better I agree, but Trump is like a child he gets easily distracted about other things that get put in front of him. He has to be reminded, remember what you promised. And he has faced high levels of obstruction from everybody all around him including Ivanka and Jerrod.

    But as for re-election the Democrats are going so anti-Trump that one of them said they would tear down the existing walls to basically erase Trumps few miles of legacy. I don't think Americans want their money wasted like that going backwards on border security.
    Photo op.

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    The Green New Deal can be accomplished in only 12 years but a couple of miles of fence can take forever.

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