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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Thanks Shakey, but I think we are on shaky ground with GM's inverted reality,
    no cure.

    I can't point to any Gibberishman post where he talks up 'Due Process' for US Citizens.

    We have lost that , and his career here appears to obsess with people that do not belong here/



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Yes , I advocate DUE PROCESS for US Citizens exclusively.
    A Jihadi that sneezes has no right to be in the US.

    The Patriot Act eliminated Due process for
    US Citizens, that is is what we should be focusing on.
    You have a point there.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    WUT did I just get through saying 10 times, deport non US Citizens , send their sht with them.
    I get that you're saying that.

    I just saw it as a teaching opportunity and wanted to do what I could to disabuse you of your misconceptions about the Constitution and ethics.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I had no idea about that.
    You know what's really odd about this is that he died a few months before you joined so it is weird you'd be comparing Strat's posting style to his. What's up with that?
    Last edited by angelatc; 02-21-2019 at 12:05 PM.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I can't point to any Gibberishman post where he talks up 'Due Process' for US Citizens.
    I just did in post 34 and others in this thread. You didn't like it. Remember?
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-21-2019 at 12:20 PM.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Okay open borders people. Where are you?
    Open borders has nothing to do with this. By giving aid and comfort to the enemy she became, by constitutional definition, a traitor. She should be arrested and tried as such. So....what's your point?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Yes , I advocate DUE PROCESS for US Citizens exclusively.
    A Jihadi that sneezes has no right to be in the US.

    The Patriot Act eliminated Due process for
    US Citizens, that is is what we should be focusing on.
    And Justice Antonin Scalia (may he rest in peace) would fully agree with your position. On the Guantanomo Bay cases his position was full due process for U.S. citizens and no due process for anybody else. The phony liberals on the Supreme Court endorsed a quasi due process for everybody.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I just did in post 34 and others in this thread. You didn't like it. Remember?
    You said 30 before you changed it to 34 , I think 30 was pretty good, yea , you got it right bro.
    However I'm still for expelling any non US Citizen that isn't here with documentation, they can take
    their sht with them.
    Which brings us to Asset forfeiture, total insult and usurpation.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And Justice Antonin Scalia (may he rest in peace) would fully agree with your position. On the Guantanomo Bay cases his position was full due process for U.S. citizens and no due process for anybody else. The phony liberals on the Supreme Court endorsed a quasi due process for everybody.
    We have always touted our high morality in that 'we' are against torture
    and 'don't negotiate with terrorists' , well I believe we've done both since
    WWII if not earlier.
    In fact we finance terrorists.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    You said 30 before you changed it to 34 , I think 30 was pretty good, yea , you got it right bro.
    However I'm still for expelling any non US Citizen that isn't here with documentation, they can take
    their sht with them.
    Which brings us to Asset forfeiture, total insult and usurpation.
    Both 30 and 34 were good examples that should have stopped you from saying I never defended due process for citizens. I changed it to 34 when I realized that was the post you objected to so strongly.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    We have always touted our high morality in that 'we' are against torture
    and 'don't negotiate with terrorists' , well I believe we've done both since
    WWII if not earlier.
    In fact we finance terrorists.
    I agree. We have done a lot of things wrong as a nation. But we have tried to at least maintain an illusion that citizenship means something. And one thing it means is due process.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If she renounced her citizenship the she doesn't have it any more and she has no right to come here.
    1) "If". I have seen no evidence that she actually did.

    2) How exactly do we ask for extradition and prosecution of people for treason if all they have to do to be out from under the definition of treason is to commit treason and thus "renounce U.S. Citizenship?"
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  16. #73
    ß1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
    (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality-

    (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

    (4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

    (5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

    (6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

    (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

    (b) Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after September 26, 1961 under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this chapter or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.
    There would need to be due process in order to convict her of treason. This might be a different legal question than whether a U.S. citizen can be allowed to return to the U.S. under such circumstances though. Perhaps Trump just wants the Democrats to look bad by defending her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    The reason we have an evil, immoral empire is that it is populated by evil, immoral peons. The State isn't a faceless monster...it is composed of all our petty, ignorant, self-righteous and self-absorbed neighbors.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Both 30 and 34 were good examples that should have stopped you from saying I never defended due process for citizens. I changed it to 34 when I realized that was the post you objected to so strongly.
    '' we have to pass it so we can see what's in it''
    What on earth gives you the impression I can read......

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I agree. We have done a lot of things wrong as a nation. But we have tried to at least maintain an illusion that citizenship means something. And one thing it means is due process.
    Right, I agree.
    I exaggerate, on the street we still have a semblance of due process, but
    with a 'word' they can do anything to us.......'terrist' , that is the 'slippery slope'
    of the Patriot Act.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    You have a point there.
    She renounced her citizenship.

    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Open borders has nothing to do with this. By giving aid and comfort to the enemy she became, by constitutional definition, a traitor. She should be arrested and tried as such. So....what's your point?
    Really quite simple.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    1) "If". I have seen no evidence that she actually did.

    2) How exactly do we ask for extradition and prosecution of people for treason if all they have to do to be out from under the definition of treason is to commit treason and thus "renounce U.S. Citizenship?"
    I said "If" because I don't know much about the case and people said that she had renounced her citizenship.
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I thought you couldn't get rid of your citizenship without paying nowadays. Did she pay the exit tax?
    If she didn't then they can charge her with that too.
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  23. #80
    Muthana is not entitled to U.S. citizenship and the media is burying this, her father was registered as a diplomat until February 1995 with the Department of State; She was born on 10/22/1994. Her father, Ahmed Ali, apparently surrendered his diplomatic privileges on 6/2/1994 at the request of the Republic of Yemen. At the time however, Yemen was embroiled in a civil war and split into two factions, making the claim seem even more dubious. Even so his failure to inform the Dept. of State of the loss of his diplomatic privileges makes this his problem, no ours.

    From the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services:

    USCIS confirms with the Department of State whether the applicantís parent(s) was on the Blue List at the time of the childís birth. If an applicant did not have a parent on the Blue List at the time of his or her birth in the United States, then the applicant is a U.S. citizen because the applicant did not have full diplomatic immunity and was therefore subject to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth.

    https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/P...-Chapter3.html

    Since Ahmed Ali was still listed on Dept. of State's Blue List at the time, he still had diplomatic privileges in the US although his status had been 'revoked' in Yemen, so he exploited the fact that Yemeni government was dysfunctional at the time and lived under diplomatic privileges for over a year. Since he was still here under diplomatic privilege his daughter has no right to US citizenship, she is a Yemeni citizen, as per their citizenship laws, since her father was a citizen at the time, citizenship was automatically conferred to her.

    This is not the first time her citizenship has come into question, as the Dept. of State under the Obama Administration had reviewed her claim to citizenship and had decided she was not a citizen, her U.S. passport was then revoked following this decision which took effect in January of 2016. Thus, Hodaís claim to citizenship was already decided over 3 years ago, contrary to what the MSM would have you believe.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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  25. #81
    They are pushing this as the latest SJW cause, no doubt about that.
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  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Open borders has nothing to do with this. By giving aid and comfort to the enemy she became, by constitutional definition, a traitor. She should be arrested and tried as such. So....what's your point?
    Seems like the lawful route.

    Too bad the rule of law means $#@!.
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  27. #83
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  28. #84
    Which should come as no surprise.

    As though Obama cared about rights and protections.
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Which should come as no surprise.

    As though Obama cared about rights and protections.
    She isn't entitled to citizenship because her father was here as part of a diplomatic mission.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    She isn't entitled to citizenship because her father was here as part of a diplomatic mission.
    She had a passport.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    She had a passport.
    That was an error, she was benefiting from confusion about her status, when she joined ISIS it caused her status to be examined and it was determined that she was not a citizen because her family was here as part of a diplomatic mission.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I get that you're saying that.

    I just saw it as a teaching opportunity and wanted to do what I could to disabuse you of your misconceptions about the Constitution and ethics.
    You have ethics? , What are they , let me guess;
    Open Borders is 'ethics' ?
    lmao

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That was an error, she was benefiting from confusion about her status, when she joined ISIS it caused her status to be examined and it was determined that she was not a citizen because her family was here as part of a diplomatic mission.

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