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    Trump admin. launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality

    Good thing the Saudis a cool with the gays. This should be interesting.


    The administration is responding in part to a reported hanging of a young gay man in Iran, Trump’s top geopolitical foe.

    BERLIN — The Trump administration is launching a global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay, U.S. officials tell NBC News, a bid aimed in part at denouncing Iran over its human rights record.

    U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, the highest-profile openly gay person in the Trump administration, is leading the effort, which kicks off Tuesday evening in Berlin. The U.S. embassy is flying in LGBT activists from across Europe for a strategy dinner to plan to push for decriminalization in places that still outlaw homosexuality — mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean.

    “It is concerning that, in the 21st century, some 70 countries continue to have laws that criminalize LGBTI status or conduct,” said a U.S. official involved in organizing the event.

    Although the decriminalization strategy is still being hashed out, officials say it’s likely to include working with global organizations like the United Nations, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, as well as other countries whose laws already allow for gay rights. Other U.S. embassies and diplomatic posts throughout Europe, including the U.S. Mission to the E.U., are involved, as is the State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor.



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    The administration is responding in part to a reported hanging of a young gay man in Iran, Trump’s top geopolitical foe.
    Obvious agenda is obvious. Let’s take a wild guess as to which nation will be sanctioned first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Good thing the Saudis a cool with the gays. This should be interesting.



    From news this appears to be more about isolating Iran while supporting our closest ally Israel but that could be just for marketing (although Iran reportedly punishes homosexuality where as Israel celeberates itself as 'Gay tourism mecaa of mideast' with some stats putting upto 20% of its population as gay).

    But in in case this is major paradigm shift for GOP. Trump probably has done more for gay rights in 2 years than Obama did in 8, and yet Newsweek probably still won't give him the 'Second Gay President' cover.

    It may also align with recent pledge by Trump's right hand man recently to make rest of mideast liberal like our closest ally there:


    Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality


    Mike Pompeo: ‘We want the whole Middle East to look like Israel’


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    #MEGA!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Good thing the Saudis a cool with the gays. This should be interesting.




    Crippling sanctions for not being as gay as Donnell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    #MEGA!!!

    (Make Earth Great Again)
    Charity begins at home.

    MAGA ("Make America Gay-friendly Again")



    That said, as Earth looks like a Globe, Far Right purists could use such a slogan to attack current America-First potus as a 'Globalist'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Charity begins at home.

    MAGA ("Make America Gay-friendly Again")



    That said, as Earth looks like a Globe, Far Right purists could use such a slogan to attack current America-First potus as a 'Globalist'.
    Personally, I don't think homosexuality should be promoted, celebrated, looked down on or criminalized. Some may look down on it, to a minor extent that may be ok as far as they continue to be a descent human being but I don't think it is healthy to obsess about individuals who choose to live that way.

    In our country, we have the opposite problem.. homosexuality is promoted and celebrated.

    We'll see how it plays out, but if Trump had to choose one global initiative to promote this is a good choice. It is pro-liberty and hopefully shows people, particularly on the left, that he really cares.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    if Trump had to choose one global initiative to promote this is a good choice. It is pro-liberty and hopefully shows people, particularly on the left, that he really cares.
    Wanted to add that this is Trump's first global initiative, everything else he has done has been America first. Interesting choice. Check-mate?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wanted to add that this is Trump's first global initiative, everything else he has done has been America first. Interesting choice. Check-mate?
    Let's not shortchange MAGA. He's promoting freedoms in mideast by putting harsh sanctions on Iran, Syria and other human rights abusers and fully owned leftover of Bush's initiative to spread democracy in Iraq (which is just as good as promoting liberty with help of sanctions) and has announced will keep troops there.

    But even if you don't count all that, this is not his first global initiative.


    Trump's Names Special Envoy to Fight Global Anti-Semitism
    02-06-2019
    Emily Jones
    Courtesy: United States Army
    JERUSALEM, Israel – Elan Carr, the United States' newly-appointed special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism, will take his first trip to Belgium and Slovakia this week.



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    Trump administration launches global effort to end AIDS


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    The administration is responding in part to a reported hanging of a young gay man in Iran, Trump’s top geopolitical foe.

    BERLIN — The Trump administration is launching a global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay, U.S. officials tell NBC News, a bid aimed in part at denouncing Iran over its human rights record.

    U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, the highest-profile openly gay person in the Trump administration, is leading the effort, which kicks off Tuesday evening in Berlin. The U.S. embassy is flying in LGBT activists from across Europe for a strategy dinner to plan to push for decriminalization in places that still outlaw homosexuality [...]
    Will Rick Santorum be there?

    I just won't be able to take this seriously unless Santorum, a passionate defender of gay rights for Iranians, is involved ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOKQ4dz07k4


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    Homosexuality is inferior to heterosexuality. Even ancient civilizations that were largely okay with it believed that. Somewhere along the line, we went from "gays shouldn't be assaulted" (true) to "gays are exactly equal to everyone else, if not superior" (false).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    "gays shouldn't be assaulted" (true) to "gays are exactly equal to everyone else, if not superior" (false).
    Oh no, equality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Oh no, equality!
    Not all people are equal in every way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not all people are equal in every way.
    TheCount isn't smart enough to know the difference between people being equal and people being treated equally.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    TheCount isn't smart enough to know the difference between people being equal and people being treated equally.
    It's worse than that, he is a shill for the forced equality mafia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Oh no, equality!
    Indeed.
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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...225415901.html

    From the looks of today’s press conference, this seems to be a “fluff” policy report with no real intent on any significant action other than placating the left. Trump doesn’t even seem aware of it. Smoke and mirrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Oh no, equality!
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    Liberty University's Jerry Falwell Jr. on Trump: 'I can't imagine him doing anything that's not good for the country'



    • By JOE HEIM The Washington Post
    • Jan 1, 2019









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    Sep 30, 2015
    Michele Bachmann Believes God Could Destroy The Nation Over Gay Marriage




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    http://www.scottlively.net/

    President Trump, Please Stop the Grenell Global LGBT Campaign
    Last edited by samforpaul; 02-24-2019 at 06:11 PM. Reason: other info

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    As someone that has spent a good deal of time around gays, even within my own family, I cannot name one that is not morally bankrupt.

    It's a mental disorder, and a pretty severe one at that... typically they are the victims of severe childhood abuse / traumas, and oftentimes diagnosed as bipolar.

    I don't hate them- I pity them. This America glories this illness... this America encourages it- it farms them.

    Weak, untrustworthy, unstable, and prone to self-harm, they're exactly what a good little citizen should be... a sissy.
    Last edited by Wooden Indian; 02-24-2019 at 10:18 PM.

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    To give credit where due, GOP-Jarvanka leadership has shown incredible leadership on this issue and may have made vital contributions towards new bold GOP led policies to isloate Iran among other things.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Obvious agenda is obvious. Let’s take a wild guess as to which nation will be sanctioned first?
    The country that Trump's top funder wanted to bomb in 2013.



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    In related news:


    A West Virginia lawmaker is facing calls to resign after comparing LGBT people to the KKK


    CNN
    Wed February 13, 2019

    Delegate Eric Porterfield, who represents West Virginia's 27th district, has a history of anti-LGBT stances. But things came to a head last week during a House meeting over a proposed amendment to an anti-LGBT-discrimination bill.
    During the February 6 meeting Porterfield called the bill, which would include LGBT people as a protected class under the state's Human Rights Act, "bigoted," "intolerant" and "discriminatory."
    "The LGBT is the most socialist group in this country," he continued, according to the Charleston Gazette-Mail. "They do not protect gays. There are many gays they persecute if they do not line up with their social ideology."

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    It is not clear yet how much role if any Trump team or Trump Jr played in this outcome:


    Devout Christian Israel Folau fired by Rugby Australia for contentious online posts

    A self-described devout Christian, Folau said he was merely posting a passage from the bible and he refused to take down the online post

    By JOHN PYE
    May 17, 2019


    Israel Folau’s status as the unrivaled star of Australian rugby wasn’t enough to save his job in the wake of a social media post that condemned gay people and other so-called sinners to eternal damnation.

    Rugby Australia on Friday terminated Folau’s four-year contract, 10 days after an independent panel found the 30-year-old fullback guilty of a high-level breach of the players’ code of conduct for his contentious post in mid-April.

    Folau can appeal the decision but it appears, at least for now, that his career has gone down in flames. The saga also has thrown Australia’s preparations for the Rugby World Cup into turmoil.





    https://www.apnews.com/ba19f47d75c245f4b7f981abe3872e84

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    It is not clear yet how much role if any Trump team or Trump Jr played in this outcome
    Fake News trash.

    The answer is: ZERO.

    Mr. Folau is not a government nor did he call for criminalization.
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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The answer is: ZERO.
    How could you possibly know that.. unless you have inside knowledge about all of Trump team's projects on global pro LGBT rights campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's worse than that, he is a shill for the forced equality mafia.


    Global ghey Equality
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