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    hey everyone, been a long while..

    hey everyone.. its been quite a while since I have been around here.. I am entering my 3rd year of medical school and man its been a whirlwind.. I have to say that I have missed all of you and being around people who understand individual liberty and property rights.. the medical field is very much full of socialists and people who just are so far from my own line of thinking..

    and no, I have not deviated from where I started all those years ago in 2007.. if anything it has been reinforced and I do see the necessity of a true free market in medicine..

    but aside from all that I wanted to touch base here and see how everyones doing, what has changed, what has stayed the same.. this is a place that I still hold very dear and have some very fond memories of.
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear



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    Hey, it's good to see you back again.

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    It's great to hear from you!

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    hi kotin.. ive only started becoming more active here again recently too.. nice to see another familiar name from back in the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    the medical field is very much full of socialists and people who just are so far from my own line of thinking..
    which is rather amazing; I know the thing that turns my wife off from socialized medicine is seeing all the people that abuse the system and her thinking about the fact that she is paying for their stay with her hard earned dollars.

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    Strikes and gutters, gutters and strikes...

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    Hey, hey! Been a long time. I'm sure school has been kicking your ass, but it' s nice to have you drop in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    hey everyone.. its been quite a while since I have been around here.. I am entering my 3rd year of medical school and man its been a whirlwind.. I have to say that I have missed all of you and being around people who understand individual liberty and property rights.. the medical field is very much full of socialists and people who just are so far from my own line of thinking..

    and no, I have not deviated from where I started all those years ago in 2007.. if anything it has been reinforced and I do see the necessity of a true free market in medicine..

    but aside from all that I wanted to touch base here and see how everyones doing, what has changed, what has stayed the same.. this is a place that I still hold very dear and have some very fond memories of.
    Greetings . I was wondering when you would come back and class the place up a little . A true free market in medicine would make it cheaper and more affordable . You could even return to just carrying a catastrophic policy and even buy one in whatever state you wish .



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    Hey, stranger! Congratulations on surviving another year!

    This is for you. It's to help with those all-nighters, not a comment on the current condition of this place...

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    so glad to see a lot of you are still around.. think ill be sticking around as I need a good dose of common sense after being around all these people who seem to think if you dont believe in the almighty centralized government to save everyone, you are a monster hahaha
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    I'll bet they all really hate Trump too

    WELCOME BACK!!
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    Greeting brother! The libertarian philosophy is the truth. Unfortunately the reality is that the mob doesn't want liberty. Holding back the Marxist mob is now my goal. Luckily the Democrats have gone full retard and are acting as a horrible warning for those that can still think and learn. Thanks to the left, the Republican party is more willing to listen to free market principles than they were in the neo-con days. I don't think we will ever have the fun of the old days again but watching Democrats be exposed as the fake party of hoaxes is fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I'll bet they all really hate Trump too

    WELCOME BACK!!
    LOl oh he is the butt of about every snide comment and joke that I hear.. and for myself of course I have mixed feelings about him and I go a little back and forth but I will say that I think he has many more positives than any president in recent memory, its unfortunate that he is such a polarizing figure which gives his enemies so much ammo against him.. I think if you took that away and solely looked at policy it would be a different picture..

    I see him as a quintessential populist which has both positives and negatives but I still am not convinced that he is someone else's puppet or at least not fully, obviously anyone in high office has people he favors etc.. but Rand's working with him has given me some hope or sure

    and so glad to see you still kicking around here, danno..
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Greeting brother! The libertarian philosophy is the truth. Unfortunately the reality is that the mob doesn't want liberty. Holding back the Marxist mob is now my goal. Luckily the Democrats have gone full retard and are acting as a horrible warning for those that can still think and learn. Thanks to the left, the Republican party is more willing to listen to free market principles than they were in the neo-con days. I don't think we will ever have the fun of the old days again but watching Democrats be exposed as the fake party of hoaxes is fun!
    very true, I think many of us have come to see the reality of this world and the political landscape.. we started out as many do, idealists.. but I dont think thats bad and holding onto some of that idealism is a beautiful thing at the end of the day.
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Hey, stranger! Congratulations on surviving another year!

    This is for you. It's to help with those all-nighters, not a comment on the current condition of this place...

    hey old friend!!! seeing your name made me smile big ))))
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Greetings . I was wondering when you would come back and class the place up a little . A true free market in medicine would make it cheaper and more affordable . You could even return to just carrying a catastrophic policy and even buy one in whatever state you wish .
    ahh the class has remained in force here, so glad to see hear from you!!
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Hey, hey! Been a long time. I'm sure school has been kicking your ass, but it' s nice to have you drop in.
    it sure has hahaha.. no hitches yet and everything going smoothly prepping for my first board exam and my psychiatry unit but I feel good about life and have not been destroyed by this process just yet lolol
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    which is rather amazing; I know the thing that turns my wife off from socialized medicine is seeing all the people that abuse the system and her thinking about the fact that she is paying for their stay with her hard earned dollars.
    its like they have stockholm syndrome lol.. they cant see that these policies they defend have stripped doctors of all their autonomy and they fundamentally confuse this managed crony capitalist market for a true free market. awesome to see you again
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    hi kotin.. ive only started becoming more active here again recently too.. nice to see another familiar name from back in the day
    funny how it draws you back in huh? it will always be my real home on the internet
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Hey, it's good to see you back again.
    very glad to see you around still.. ahh the memories come flooding back
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Don't let the grind of school get you down. There is a light ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    hey everyone.. its been quite a while since I have been around here.. I am entering my 3rd year of medical school and man its been a whirlwind.. I have to say that I have missed all of you and being around people who understand individual liberty and property rights.. the medical field is very much full of socialists and people who just are so far from my own line of thinking..

    and no, I have not deviated from where I started all those years ago in 2007.. if anything it has been reinforced and I do see the necessity of a true free market in medicine..

    but aside from all that I wanted to touch base here and see how everyones doing, what has changed, what has stayed the same.. this is a place that I still hold very dear and have some very fond memories of.
    I have a couple friends who are MDs ( a pediatrician and an anesthesiologist) who are both free market advocates. You aren't alone out there.

    I was just thinking about you the other day. Good to see your making the grades!


    ETA - one of our 2007 alumni is now a radiologist in Miami, too. Can't remember his handle ATM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I have a couple friends who are MDs ( a pediatrician and an anesthesiologist) who are both free market advocates. You aren't alone out there.

    I was just thinking about you the other day. Good to see your making the grades!
    firstly, awesome to see you again!! hope you are doing well..

    and yeah I think it might be skewed in the younger generation unfortunately.. they haven't worked yet or understood the sacrifice of autonomy that will come with what they advocate for but hopefully some will get it at some point.. the lack of autonomy in the face of centralized power and insurance companies hijacking the market is pretty obvious but these people havent seen it clearly and some may never.
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    and yeah I think it might be skewed in the younger generation unfortunately.. they haven't worked yet or understood the sacrifice of autonomy that will come with what they advocate for but hopefully some will get it at some point.. the lack of autonomy in the face of centralized power and insurance companies hijacking the market is pretty obvious but these people havent seen it clearly and some may never.
    maybe what they need is some time in the hospital wiping the asses of medicare/caid patients there for the drugs and the resort style accommodations with 24x7 room service. whomever thought of linking patient satisfaction to medicare reimbursement was a complete moron. nurses shouldn't be forced to get customer service training by Marriot hotels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    maybe what they need is some time in the hospital wiping the asses of medicare/caid patients there for the drugs and the resort style accommodations with 24x7 room service. whomever thought of linking patient satisfaction to medicare reimbursement was a complete moron. nurses shouldn't be forced to get customer service training by Marriot hotels.
    yes, the people who write this policies are not providers and thats a major problem(even though many providers do not understand how to craft policy without letting their magical thinking and idealistic world view get in the way)

    and yes, this is a service industry, however it is NOT the same as other service industries and I honestly think money itself is a clear conflict of interest in medicine but this isnt something that will go away so the free market is the only solution to mitigate that because the competition would help give us the cheapest and best care possible but people think we already have a free market so it is not easy to get them to understand..
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    So how are your fruit trees without the ever attendant gardener?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    So how are your fruit trees without the ever attendant gardener?
    luckily my greenouse with all my citrus, avocado, and banana is booming with my mother caring for it, same with the vineyard.. most of the trees have taken to the land well and have begun to thrive on their own.. the peaches and plumbs are getting huge, same with the pears and mulberries... the apple trees dont seem to be doing as well unfortunately but i can replant and likely will..

    so fortunately much of my work was not in vain..
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    luckily my greenouse with all my citrus, avocado, and banana is booming with my mother caring for it, same with the vineyard.. most of the trees have taken to the land well and have begun to thrive on their own.. the peaches and plumbs are getting huge, same with the pears and mulberries... the apple trees dont seem to be doing as well unfortunately but i can replant and likely will..

    so fortunately much of my work was not in vain..
    Outstanding! Your mom doesn't complain and say "We told you if you wanted a dog you were going o have to care for it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Outstanding! Your mom doesn't complain and say "We told you if you wanted a dog you were going o have to care for it!"
    luckily she set up a watering system to where she just has to turn it on every now and then and it does all the watering for her.. but yeah she was hesitant at first haha cause it was quite a lot of things I planted and just left to her.. she is a saint for taking it up for me.. I always wanted it all planted and established before i left for school so it would be thriving and producing when I moved back and it looks like that will be the case which is very rewarding
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    so glad to see a lot of you are still around.. think ill be sticking around as I need a good dose of common sense after being around all these people who seem to think if you dont believe in the almighty centralized government to save everyone, you are a monster hahaha
    Awww crap. I was hoping you'd be the one giving us the dose of common sense.

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