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    1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    What did the founders mean by general welfare?

    What did they mean by uniform?



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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    What did the founders mean by general welfare?

    What did they mean by uniform?
    General welfare meant that it had to be for the good of all the states and uniform meant that it had t apply equally to all the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    General welfare meant that it had to be for the good of all the states and uniform meant that it had t apply equally to all the states.
    Right, but what did they specifically believe could constitute general welfare? Was the uniform tax a dollar tax or % of wealth tax?

    Seems like general welfare is a massive weakness of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    Right, but what did they specifically believe could constitute general welfare? Was the uniform tax a dollar tax or % of wealth tax?

    Seems like general welfare is a massive weakness of the Constitution.
    General Welfare was only supposed to describe the collective use of the powers enumerated but it was a poorly chosen (or deliberately sabotaged) and has been abused.

    Uniform could be argued to mean either in dollars or percentages and should have been better specified.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Did Jefferson or any non-Hamiltonian write anything on how general welfare just meant the sum of all enumerated powers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    Did Jefferson or any non-Hamiltonian write anything on how general welfare just meant the sum of all enumerated powers?
    There is some good info in this old thread I found:

    Do You Know How and When the "General Welfare Clause" got hijacked?

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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