90 min from NY to Paris, undersea by rail

[Brian4Liberty]

Wonder where AOC gets her talking points?

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And we have a winner of the trivia portion of the thread!

AOC can take many liberties, but she cannot take liberties with my Donald Fagen.
@1:09:

(A google search of the thread title should bring up the song lyrics, as would the other line of lyrics that was posted).

Do people think this is something Alexandria what's-her-name actually said? Did anyone listen to that song posted by Georgia Boy? The exact words from the OP title are in the song at 1:09 (although reversed).

The song goes on to say "What a beautiful world this will be!"

I took it as some hyperbole mocking, with someone making a connection between an old song and her green deal.

Yes, and more. In a larger sense, the “new” green deal is nothing new at all. It comes directly from futurist thought that was popular in New York in the 1950s, as described by a song written by a New Yorker who was alive at that time. So AOC is simply recycling these old ideas. Very green of her.

The title of the song is IGY, which stands for International Geophysical Year. The IGY was about earth sciences, and in a way, climate change advocates might call it the first global climate change project.

Other lines:

- “On that train all graphite and glitter, Undersea by rail, Ninety minutes from New York to Paris”

Where did AOC get the idea that trains can cross oceans? Perhaps the same people who were talking about it in the 50s.

- “Here at home we'll play in the city, Powered by the sun”

Solar power to run the cities? Sounds familiar.

- “More leisure for artists everywhere”

Anyone who has paid attention would see this theme repeated, especially in recent years. Universal Basic Income for people who don’t want to work?

- “We'll be clean when their work is done”

Not sure how that works exactly. Ideologically “clean” perhaps?

Bottom line is that these ideas have been brewing in the same stew with communism and socialism in New York for a long time. Nothing “new”, more like Bernie Sanders regurgitating his addled futurist, communist, globalist, Utopian dreams from almost 70 years ago.

[Anti Globalist]

I think she makes up her own talking points.

[Dr.3D]

So do they have solar powered tunneling machines yet?

[acptulsa]

Why ninety minutes? That's only 2400 mph.

A subway through fault lines, with miles of ocean overhead, tons of pressure on the structure, cars inside causing sonic booms, and all built socialist-style by the lowest bidder. What could go wrong?

[timosman]

Why ninety minutes? That's only 2400 mph.

A subway through fault lines, with miles of ocean overhead, tons of pressure on the structure, cars inside causing sonic booms, and all built socialist-style by the lowest bidder. What could go wrong?

[Brian4Liberty]

So do they have solar powered tunneling machines yet?

“Here at home we'll play in the city, powered by the sun.”

[Influenza]

Any quote?? Where did she say 90 minutes? looked but could not find such specifics

[juleswin]

Any quote?? Where did she say 90 minutes? looked but could not find such specifics

I tried to search for the source but nothing. AOC says a lot of silly things so I wouldn't be surprised if she said something like that.

[acptulsa]

Wonder where AOC gets her talking points?

She imports them from Red China.

https://gizmodo.com/chinas-batty-pro...uni-1574569806

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.quora.com/What-speed-wou...-in-90-minutes

[Influenza]

https://www.quora.com/What-speed-wou...-in-90-minutes

how does that have anything to do with AOC?

[georgiaboy]

AOC can take many liberties, but she cannot take liberties with my Donald Fagen.
@1:09:

[Superfluous Man]

Well I'm not an AOC supporter, but I have the same question. If she really said something about being able to travel between NYC and Paris in 90 minutes by rail, I'd like to see the source for that. That's a pretty huge gaffe for something that I can't find with a Google search.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Do people think this is something Alexandria what's-her-name actually said? Did anyone listen to that song posted by Georgia Boy? The exact words from the OP title are in the song at 1:09 (although reversed).

The song goes on to say "What a beautiful world this will be!"

I took it as some hyperbole mocking, with someone making a connection between an old song and her green deal.

[Superfluous Man]

Do people think this is something Alexandria what's-her-name actually said? Did anyone listen to that song posted by Georgia Boy? The exact words from the OP title are in the song at 1:09 (although reversed).

The song goes on to say "What a beautiful world this will be!"

I took it as some hyperbole, with someone making a connection between an old song and her green deal.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not familiar with that song.

[juleswin]

Do people think this is something Alexandria what's-her-name actually said? Did anyone listen to that song posted by Georgia Boy? The exact words from the OP title are in the song at 1:09 (although reversed).

The song goes on to say "What a beautiful world this will be!"

I took it as some hyperbole mocking, with someone making a connection between an old song and her green deal.

And the where did the "90 min from NY to Paris" part come from? This is the problem I think we are going to be seeing in the next half decade or so with her and that will be people unfairly attacking her. This unfair attack will bring her fans and fame like it did with Trump.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

And the where did the "90 min from NY to Paris" part come from?

From the song posted by Georgia Boy. I don't know anything about it, but apparently, it's a song sort of mocking the optimism of the 1950s. I assume they were mocking the New York CongressGirl the same way.


It actually looks rather brilliant. Check this out:

Donald Fagen
I.G.Y.


The opening track and first single from Donald Fagen's solo debut, "I.G.Y. (International Geophysical Year)" is a dryly ironic take on the prevailing optimism of the late '50s.

The International Geophysical Year -- 1958, to be precise -- was a combination research project and public relations move by the world's scientists, who banded together to collect and share information across geographic boundaries. In terms of Fagen's lyrics, the I.G.Y. is the symbol of all the promises that science held in his Popular Mechanics youth: ordinary people traveling to permanent space stations, undersea high-speed rail travel between New York and Paris, solar-powered cities, etc. The irony, of course, comes in the payoff line, "Well, by '76, we'll be A-OK."

As the song goes on, creepier elements insinuate themselves into Fagen's utopian vision, images of "a just machine to make big decisions/Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision" delivered with the same gee-whiz enthusiasm as the earlier verses.

Musically, the song amplifies the future-perfect theme of the lyrics by counterpointing the jazzy unison horn riff at the melody's center with the sort of theremin-like electronic squeals that would be all over the soundtrack to a late-'50s drive-in science fiction flick, or an album of forbidding electronic "music of the future" from the same period; ironically, by the song's 1982 release, sounds that would have seemed freakishly alien in 1958 were simply another element of mainstream pop music.


https://www.allmusic.com/song/igy-mt0010764567

[Stratovarious]

What does Paris have 'today' , that would lure anyone there from the states?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The refrain appears to be dripping with sarcasm.



I G Y Lyrics

Artist: Donald Fagen (Buy Donald Fagen CDs)
Album: I G Y

I.G.Y. (International Geophysical Year)


Standing tough under stars and stripes
We can tell
This dream's in sight
You've got to admit it
At this point in time that it's clear
The future looks bright
On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from NewYork to Paris
Well by seventy-six we'll be A.O.K.

What a beautiful world this will be
What a glorious time to be free

Get your ticket to that wheel in space
While there's time
The fix is in
You'll be a witness to that game of chance in the sky
You know we've go to win
Here at home we'll play in the city
Powered by the sun
Perfect weather for a streamlined world
There'll be spandex jackets one for everyone

What a beautiful world this'll be
What a glorious time to be free

On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from NewYork to Paris
(More leisure for artists everywhere)
A just machine to make big decisions
Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision
We'll be clean when their work is done
We'll be eternally free yes and eternally young

What a beautiful world this'll be
What a glorious time to be free.....



Edit: posted almost the exact same time as Brian.

[Brian4Liberty]

And we have a winner of the trivia portion of the thread!

AOC can take many liberties, but she cannot take liberties with my Donald Fagen.
@1:09:

(A google search of the thread title should bring up the song lyrics, as would the other line of lyrics that was posted).

Do people think this is something Alexandria what's-her-name actually said? Did anyone listen to that song posted by Georgia Boy? The exact words from the OP title are in the song at 1:09 (although reversed).

The song goes on to say "What a beautiful world this will be!"

I took it as some hyperbole mocking, with someone making a connection between an old song and her green deal.

Yes, and more. In a larger sense, the “new” green deal is nothing new at all. It comes directly from futurist thought that was popular in New York in the 1950s, as described by a song written by a New Yorker who was alive at that time. So AOC is simply recycling these old ideas. Very green of her.

The title of the song is IGY, which stands for International Geophysical Year. The IGY was about earth sciences, and in a way, climate change advocates might call it the first global climate change project.

Other lines:

- “On that train all graphite and glitter, Undersea by rail, Ninety minutes from New York to Paris”

Where did AOC get the idea that trains can cross oceans? Perhaps the same people who were talking about it in the 50s.

- “Here at home we'll play in the city, Powered by the sun”

Solar power to run the cities? Sounds familiar.

- “More leisure for artists everywhere”

Anyone who has paid attention would see this theme repeated, especially in recent years. Universal Basic Income for people who don’t want to work?

- “We'll be clean when their work is done”

Not sure how that works exactly. Ideologically “clean” perhaps?

Bottom line is that these ideas have been brewing in the same stew with communism and socialism in New York for a long time. Nothing “new”, more like Bernie Sanders regurgitating his addled futurist, communist, globalist, Utopian dreams from almost 70 years ago.

[Brian4Liberty]

From the song posted by Georgia Boy. I don't know anything about it, but apparently, it's a song sort of mocking the optimism of the 1950s. I assume they were mocking the New York CongressGirl the same way.


It actually looks rather brilliant. Check this out:

As the song goes on, creepier elements insinuate themselves into Fagen's utopian vision, images of "a just machine to make big decisions/Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision"

I have not yet heard AOC or her allies call for us to be ruled by AI, but it may just be a matter of time.

[Swordsmyth]

What does Paris have 'today' , that would lure anyone there from the states?

The Yellow Vests?

[Brian4Liberty]

She imports them from Red China.

https://gizmodo.com/chinas-batty-pro...uni-1574569806

But of course. Communists and New Yorkers love them some trains.

[Stratovarious]

The Yellow Vests?

Right, I'd probably join them and get arrested.

[juleswin]

From the song posted by Georgia Boy. I don't know anything about it, but apparently, it's a song sort of mocking the optimism of the 1950s. I assume they were mocking the New York CongressGirl the same way.


It actually looks rather brilliant. Check this out:

Well, the way it was written, u get the impression that it is a policy she actually proposed. Which she did not propose as of yet even as she talks about building light rails to the point where air travel is not necessary.

[Swordsmyth]

Right, I'd probably join them and get arrested.

You would then have an inspiring story to tell to your grandchildren.

[Stratovarious]

You would then have an inspiring story to tell to your grandchildren.

no doubt....

[Brian4Liberty]

Related:

- Back in the Bronx, Ocasio-Cortez says to keep up the fight

Also in the Bronx:

New York City was the one place where American communists came close to enjoying the status of a mass movement. Party members could live in a milieu where co-workers, neighbors and the family dentist were fellow Communists.
...
Some neighborhoods in New York could be likened to the “red belt” surrounding Paris: Communist-organized cooperative parties on Allerton Avenue in the Bronx were a strong base of party support, as were parts of East Harlem, Brooklyn and the Lower East Side.
...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/o...communism.html

[fedupinmo]

I think she makes up her own talking points.

Well, she certainly isn't talking her thinking points.

[Brian4Liberty]

“Luxury communism”. The failed NY futurist communism never worked, but they are retreading it and selling it to a new generation that is ignorant of the past...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...he-future-quot