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    Amazon Pays Zero Taxes Again on $11 Billion Profits, This is Socialism in America

    For all you AOC and socialism haters get your heads straight. This is the real socialism in America...for corporations. National Debt now $22 trillion and this deadbeat Bezos isn't pitching in a single dime.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazo...180337770.html

    His name was Seth Rich.



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    The way I understood it, Amamzon is yet to make any real profits. Their valuation comes from their over priced stock.
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    Good.

    If Amazon (not Bezos as a person) paid a billion in taxes all that means is that I and everybody else who bought stuff from Amazon paid a billion in taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Good.

    If Amazon (not Bezos as a person) paid a billion in taxes all that means is that I and everybody else who bought stuff from Amazon paid a billion in taxes.
    Ocasio-Cortez Displays Her Economics Genius Once Again.


    https://www.dailywire.com/news/43525...ign=modelnames


    AOC had the genius idea to take the $3 billion in tax breaks that Amazon was supposed to pay to NY and spend it on public schools and $#@!.

    Let that sink in..

    Money that Amazon would have paid to the state, but got to keep, but will now be moving from the state - essentially money that does not exist - she wants to spend it on public schools and $#@!.

    Remember the scene in the movie Idiocracy at the end where they go to the Time Masheen and Joe promises Frito he will put money in a bank account for him so he will get ten billion dollars? Then Joe figures out it's just a amusement ride from a fair and then Frito asks him when he is going to get the money?? Joe is like, "Uhhh, Frito..there is no time machine.. if I can't go back in time, then I can't put the money in the bank account... to get interest... there is no money.."

    This is what we are dealing with.

    OP, change your path. Listen to reason. Socialists don't know wtf they are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Remember the scene in the movie Idiocracy at the end where they go to the Time Masheen and Joe promises Frito he will put money in a bank account for him so he will get ten billion dollars? Then Joe figures out it's just a amusement ride from a fair and then Frito asks him when he is going to get the money?? Joe is like, "Uhhh, Frito..there is no time machine.. if I can't go back in time, then I can't put the money in the bank account... to get interest... there is no money.."

    This is what we are dealing with.
    Oh. My. $#@!ing. God.

    It is...words fail me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The way I understood it, Amamzon is yet to make any real profits. Their valuation comes from their over priced stock.
    You are confusing valuation with income stream and profits, two completely different concepts.
    His name was Seth Rich.

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    I'm not going to complain when somebody doesn't get robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I'm not going to complain when somebody doesn't get robbed.
    I don't know enough about Amazon to comment on Amazon but I will complain when some animals are more equal than others, especially when the "more equal" animals are entangled with the people who grant them the "more equal" status.

    Allowing them to be more equal encourages them to rob everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't know enough about Amazon to comment on Amazon but I will complain when some animals are more equal than others, especially when the "more equal" animals are entangled with the people who grant them the "more equal" status.

    Allowing them to be more equal encourages them to rob everyone else.
    Reminds me of crabs trying to get out of the pot. Just as one is about to reach the edge and pull himself out, the rest grab him and pull him back in again.

    If taxation is theft, then more power to those who can avoid being robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ocasio-Cortez Displays Her Economics Genius Once Again.


    https://www.dailywire.com/news/43525...ign=modelnames


    AOC had the genius idea to take the $3 billion in tax breaks that Amazon was supposed to pay to NY and spend it on public schools and $#@!.

    Let that sink in..

    Money that Amazon would have paid to the state, but got to keep, but will now be moving from the state - essentially money that does not exist - she wants to spend it on public schools and $#@!.

    Remember the scene in the movie Idiocracy at the end where they go to the Time Masheen and Joe promises Frito he will put money in a bank account for him so he will get ten billion dollars? Then Joe figures out it's just a amusement ride from a fair and then Frito asks him when he is going to get the money?? Joe is like, "Uhhh, Frito..there is no time machine.. if I can't go back in time, then I can't put the money in the bank account... to get interest... there is no money.."

    This is what we are dealing with.

    OP, change your path. Listen to reason. Socialists don't know wtf they are talking about.
    Stop that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I'm not going to complain when somebody doesn't get robbed.
    The problem is this, what if the only reason they are not getting robbed is because they are friends with the robber? So the robber robs from every hard working, local, native businesses while the big, bad, CIA connected business gets off scott free. If that is the case then we should all be asking for nobody to be robbed or everybody to be robbed.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Reminds me of crabs trying to get out of the pot. Just as one is about to reach the edge and pull himself out, the rest grab him and pull him back in again.

    If taxation is theft, then more power to those who can avoid being robbed.
    They are the ones outside the bucket who push the rest of us back in, you will never have liberty for everyone if some people are allowed to take it from others without losing it themselves.

    Your point of view is correct for those who are not part of the ruling class that makes the rules that don't apply to them, I will never complain if some average guy works under the table or finds a loophole but I will complain about the people who get Congress to write custom loopholes for them and increase taxes on others to compensate.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't know enough about Amazon to comment on Amazon but I will complain when some animals are more equal than others, especially when the "more equal" animals are entangled with the people who grant them the "more equal" status.

    Allowing them to be more equal encourages them to rob everyone else.
    Equal playing field is what I call it. This is govt playing favorites and I am not in favor of the govt playing favorites and picking winners and losers in the market place. We all know the govt will not stop taxating businesses any time soon, so if the story is true then they should treat amazon just like every body else.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Equal playing field is what I call it. This is govt playing favorites and I am not in favor of the govt playing favorites and picking winners and losers in the market place. We all know the govt will not stop taxating businesses any time soon, so if the story is true then they should treat amazon just like every body else.
    How about just treating everybody else like they do Amazon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    How about just treating everybody else like they do Amazon?
    Be honest, which is more likely? that the govt treats everybody like amazon or they treat everybody like your reg mid level corporation?
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    How about just treating everybody else like they do Amazon?
    That would be great but (and I don't know enough about Amazon's profits to say for sure) it may be necessary to make them treat Amazon like everyone else as a half step on the way there.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Be honest, which is more likely? that the govt treats everybody like amazon or they treat everybody like your reg mid level corporation?
    Guess it would depend on how much noise those who are being robbed make about being robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    For all you AOC and socialism haters get your heads straight. This is the real socialism in America...for corporations. National Debt now $22 trillion and this deadbeat Bezos isn't pitching in a single dime.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazo...180337770.html

    A few questions:

    1. How much do you pay in taxes?

    2. How many people do you employ?

    3. What value do you provide the economy and your fellow man?

    Cold day on RPF when we are left defending Amazon from communist inclinations to steal their property.
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    James Madison is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    For all you AOC and socialism haters get your heads straight. This is the real socialism in America...for corporations. National Debt now $22 trillion and this deadbeat Bezos isn't pitching in a single dime.
    Not only that Amazon is pushing for federal internet sales tax legislation. This means individuals would be taxed if they make internet purchases in any of the 9000+ sales tax jurisdictions. Businesses would have to collect and understand the tax law in any of the 9000+ sales tax jurisdictions that they sell into. This would be a nightmare processing and dealing with audits from any of these jurisdictions.

    It would give power to be misused by Progressives in any of these 9000+ jurisdictions to audit an individual or business they disagree with or is not promoting their agenda. Amazon knows this so they would offer their services for a fee and the collect on interest on the remittances that would go through them. Essentially Amazon would be the nations tax middle man between us and government.

    So they pay no tax, are a monopoly that undersells until the competition in the entire segment they targeted is eliminated, significant number of businesses sell through them and they are calling for more taxes and government to control us. Not to forget their government contracts and their market share in web hosting.

    Yeah, they need to die before it is too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Not only that Amazon is pushing for federal internet sales tax legislation. This means individuals would be taxed if they make internet purchases in any of the 9000+ sales tax jurisdictions. Businesses would have to collect and understand the tax law in any of the 9000+ sales tax jurisdictions that they sell into. This would be a nightmare processing and dealing with audits from any of these jurisdictions.

    It would give power to be misused by Progressives in any of these 9000+ jurisdictions to audit an individual or business they disagree with or is not promoting their agenda. Amazon knows this so they would offer their services for a fee and the collect on interest on the remittances that would go through them. Essentially Amazon would be the nations tax middle man between us and government.

    So they pay no tax, are a monopoly that undersells until the competition in the entire segment they targeted is eliminated, significant number of businesses sell through them and they are calling for more taxes and government to control us. Not to forget their government contracts and their market share in web hosting.

    Yeah, they need to die before it is too late.
    I hope the divorce makes him break up his empire, we need a few breaks like that.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Not only that Amazon is pushing for federal internet sales tax legislation. This means individuals would be taxed if they make internet purchases in any of the 9000+ sales tax jurisdictions. Businesses would have to collect and understand the tax law in any of the 9000+ sales tax jurisdictions that they sell into. This would be a nightmare processing and dealing with audits from any of these jurisdictions.

    It would give power to be misused by Progressives in any of these 9000+ jurisdictions to audit an individual or business they disagree with or is not promoting their agenda. Amazon knows this so they would offer their services for a fee and the collect on interest on the remittances that would go through them. Essentially Amazon would be the nations tax middle man between us and government.

    So they pay no tax, are a monopoly that undersells until the competition in the entire segment they targeted is eliminated, significant number of businesses sell through them and they are calling for more taxes and government to control us. Not to forget their government contracts and their market share in web hosting.

    Yeah, they need to die before it is too late.
    Their position on an internet sales tax is reprehensible and just to be clear, I hope I see the day that Amazon goes out of business for their various anti-liberty positions.

    That said, monopolies are a myth absent government intervention. While government no doubt props up Amazon it is hardly a monopoly. Some are even speculating they are slowing or stagnating, especially as it relates to the acquisition of Whole Foods. They'll be a player for a couple decades but will probably go the way of IBM.

    The solution is to open up competition with the government ending taxes on the competitors of Amazon (if they did indeed not pay any taxes). If I were a betting man I'd bet that Jeff Bezos still paid more in taxes than the next 10,000 people whining about fairness.

    ETA: You can't necessarily blame those using the system (I still do) to disadvantage competitors and prop up less productive models as well as just avoiding being robbed through any avenue afforded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    How about just treating everybody else like they do Amazon?

    Precisely. My only problem with Amazon paying 0 taxes is that there aren't more ways for the rest of us to do likewise. The solution to the "inequity" is to find and advocate more and better ways for eveyone else to pay 0, not to foolishly demand that Amazon pay "their fair share" like a good little socialist.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The way I understood it, Amamzon is yet to make any real profits. Their valuation comes from their over priced stock.
    Shocked that a communist doesn't understand that Amazon actually made a profit of $11.2 Billion. It's stock value is $800 billion.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    For all you AOC and socialism haters get your heads straight. This is the real socialism in America...for corporations. National Debt now $22 trillion and this deadbeat Bezos isn't pitching in a single dime.



    Of course he is. He pays more in income taxes in a quarter than you will pay in your lifetime.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    I like corporate taxes. Every brick and log should be made to pay more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Their position on an internet sales tax is reprehensible and just to be clear, I hope I see the day that Amazon goes out of business for their various anti-liberty positions.

    That said, monopolies are a myth absent government intervention. While government no doubt props up Amazon it is hardly a monopoly. Some are even speculating they are slowing or stagnating, especially as it relates to the acquisition of Whole Foods. They'll be a player for a couple decades but will probably go the way of IBM.

    The solution is to open up competition with the government ending taxes on the competitors of Amazon (if they did indeed not pay any taxes). If I were a betting man I'd bet that Jeff Bezos still paid more in taxes than the next 10,000 people whining about fairness.

    ETA: You can't necessarily blame those using the system (I still do) to disadvantage competitors and prop up less productive models as well as just avoiding being robbed through any avenue afforded.

    ^^^^THIS^^^^

    I stopped selling on Amazon when they came out in support of the internet sales tax, even though it was a moderately profitable part of my business. There are other ways to make money online.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Equal playing field is what I call it. This is govt playing favorites and I am not in favor of the govt playing favorites and picking winners and losers in the market place. We all know the govt will not stop taxating businesses any time soon, so if the story is true then they should treat amazon just like every body else.
    I think the average folks would agree with this with but some how when you mention Amazon people shut down and go into defense mode. It as if people are afraid you are going to take away with their beloved UI and ease of delivery. Well I like all that to but that does not mean I am going to turn a blind eye to everything else they do.

    Although they are becoming less of a sacred cow and people are waking up about them, it reminds me of the same mentality of the reaction you would get if you were against an interventionist foreign policy. You are an isolationist! You hate the troops!

    Criticize Amazon and you are anti-Capitalist, Socialist AOC supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I stopped selling on Amazon when they came out in support of the internet sales tax, even though it was a moderately profitable part of my business. There are other ways to make money online.
    If only more people would make that sacrifice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    If only more people would make that sacrifice.

    I don't see it as a sacrifice. I see it as an investment in my children's' and grandchildren's futures.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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