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    Trump to declare national emergency for border wall after signing spending bill

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    Trump will sign spending bill and declare a national emergency, Mitch McConnell says

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/trum...-shutdown.html

    President Donald Trump will sign spending legislation to prevent a government shutdown while declaring a national emergency to try to build his proposed border wall, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday.

    "He's prepared to sign the bill, he will also be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time," the Kentucky Republican said as the chamber prepared to vote on a measure to keep the government open past a midnight Friday deadline.

    If Trump follows through, lawmakers and the White House would dodge their second partial shutdown since December, sparing about 800,000 federal workers from more financial pain. But the emergency declaration would quickly spark lawsuits challenging the president's authority, creating yet another fight over his key campaign promise.

    The emergency declaration would allow Trump to redirect funds from other parts of the government to the project without congressional approval. The move could in part assuage conservative critics who argued the president should not accept the latest congressional plan, which denied him the funding he demanded for the border barrier. He had threatened the action for weeks, splitting the GOP caucus as some Republicans argued it would set a dangerous precedent.

    McConnell said he "indicated to [Trump] that I am going to support the national emergency declaration." Democratic leaders have warned Trump against the action.

    "I think declaring a national emergency where this is no national emergency is not good for the president to do and is not good as a precedent," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told MSNBC shortly after McConnell spoke.

    The White House did not immediately respond to a request to comment on whether Trump would do what McConnell said. A spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the California Democrat would hold a press conference Thursday afternoon.

    Both Republicans and Democrats showed concerns about the spending plan, but congressional leaders from both parties backed it. The GOP appeared to wait for Trump's support Thursday before voting, as the president waffled on whether to support the agreement.

    The measure would put about $1.4 billion toward physical border barriers. But it would specifically not allow construction of new wall prototypes proposed by Trump. The president has claimed the wall will still get built, even as Congress dealt him his latest defeat on one of his signature campaign issues.

    Senate Republicans looked eager to avoid the second partial government shutdown since December. Without a new spending plan, funding for nine U.S. departments will lapse at 12:01 a.m. ET Saturday.

    Despite Congress' latest blow to his border wall plans, Trump has insisteed he will build the structure regardless. He argues he has the authority to allocate funds from other parts of the government to construct it.

    He also said he will still consider declaring a national emergency to circumvent Congress.

    "The bottom line is on the wall we're building the wall and we're using other methods other than this and in addition to this," Trump said during a Cabinet meeting Tuesday.

    Funding for about a quarter of the government lapsed for 35 days during December and January. About 800,000 federal employees, furloughed or working without pay, missed two paychecks during the closure. Another shutdown threatens more financial hardship for those workers.

    Trump's demand for $5.7 billion to construct the wall, and Democrats' refusal to yield to him, led to the earlier shutdown. In December, Trump said he would "take the mantle" for the shutdown. Most Americans eventually did blame him for it, according to polls.

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    This will make #32 on the active “emergency” list. And it will be the first “national emergency” opposed by the swamp.
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    Pelosi threatens with "emergency" based on gun control...

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Republicans on Thursday that a future Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.

    Her comments to reporters came shortly after the White House said President Donald Trump would declare a national emergency in order to "build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country."

    Pelosi said she was not advocating for Democrats to declare a national emergency but that Trump was establishing a precedent that should, at least, make Republicans nervous.

    "If the president can declare an emergency on something he has created as an emergency, an illusion that he wants to convey, just think about what a president with different values can present to the American people," Pelosi said.

    "You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today," Pelosi said, referring to the first anniversary of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead on Feb. 14, 2018.

    She said the shooting was "another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America."

    "That's a national emergency. Why don't you declare that an emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would," she said. "But a Democratic president can do that. A Democratic president can declare emergencies as well."
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/pelo...y-on-guns.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Pelosi threatens with "emergency" based on gun control...



    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/pelo...y-on-guns.html
    If they could do that they would have done it already, no new precedent is being set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Pelosi threatens with "emergency" based on gun control...



    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/pelo...y-on-guns.html
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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    AF: Bring it bitches
    Works for me.



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    So Dems will take this to court and no wall money for years to come if it at all approved by courts? Trump recently appointed CFR member and abortion leaning judge to courts.

    Trump says government shutdown will be terrible, does not want to see gov shutdown.


    Non GOP-Adelson conservatives of Breitbart, Coulter et al won't be pleased.





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    President Trump's National Emergency Is a Ploy to Avoid Admitting Defeat on the Wall
    February 14, 2019
    the lawsuits will trigger a prolonged court battle that could halt construction efforts. And in the meantime, the President will be boasting to his supporters about everything he’s doing to deliver what he promised.
    http://time.com/5530086/donald-trump...ergency-risks/



    Trump's emergency declaration would trigger a drawn-out legal fight
    USA TODAY Feb. 14, 2019
    Declaring an emergency would let Trump sidestep Democratic opposition to more wall funding, but it could draw legal challenges from lawmakers and others who viewed the move as a power grab. Although that could delay construction of his border barriers, an extended legal battle would give Trump a potent political issue to run on in the 2020 presidential election.

    "Everyone’s going to come out of the woodwork," said Stephen Vladeck, a University of Texas-Austin law professor who teaches national security law. "I think we’re going to see an array of lawsuits that actually would all have to be dealt with separately."

    White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said the administration is "very prepared" for legal challenges.
    The potential for an extended legal battle may explain why Trump backed away from the emergency scenario last month. The president, who faced criticism from some Republicans for the idea, said he wouldn't declare an emergency imminently. Republicans noted a future Democratic president could also use an emergency to work around Congress.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ht/2548526002/

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So Dems will take this to court and no wall money for years to come if it at all approved by courts? Trump recently appointed CFR member and abortion leaning judge to courts.

    Trump says government shutdown will be terrible, does not want to see gov shutdown.


    Non GOP-Adelson conservatives of Breitbart, Coulter et al won't be pleased.
    It seems like 90% of Republicans are RINO's these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    It seems like 90% of Republicans are RINO's these days.
    10% are non-RINOs? What is the source of your optimism?

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    Steve Bannon famed Breitbart and Coulter blog headlines today would be interesting.

    “Why would you [vote for him again]? Coulter calls border agreement Trump's 'Yellow New Deal'

    02/12/19


    Conservative commentator Ann Coulter ripped President Trump on Tuesday, saying he is "afraid" to fight for a border wall and calling a bipartisan compromise to avert a government shutdown his "Yellow New Deal."

    "Trump talks a good game on the border wall but it's increasingly clear he's afraid to fight for it," Coulter tweeted to her 2.13 million followers. "Call this his 'Yellow New Deal.'"
    Au contraire, @realDonaldTrump! America will be a socialist country within 5 years, if you don't build the wall.
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) February 12, 2019

    “Why would you [vote for him again]?” the provocative author and columnist asked during a Daily Caller interview on Dec. 20. “To make sure, I don’t know, Ivanka [Trump] and Jared [Kushner] can make money? That seems to be the main point of the presidency at this point.”


    “They’re about to have a country where no Republican will ever be elected president again,” she added. “Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever."






    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Shutdown is coming.
    Are you sure you have a good understanding of MAGA's mindset?

    From Gov Shut folding to Syria/Iraq exits to second amend to surorounding himself with creme de la cerme of neocons, almost all predictions of MAGA supporters are turning out to be false.
    Not suggesting he's as liberal as Far Right 'MAGA is fake frontgroup' conspiracy theorists claim but could it be he's not as pro-Wall/anti big gov spending as many of his followers thought he was?

    Trump: 'Shutdown would be a terrible thing'
    02/13/19 12:34 PM EST
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...terrible-thing



    As expected, Breitbart/Coulter extremist conservatives will be unhappy and his top funder Adelson probbaly will be pleased with wins like Isreal embassy move, Iran sanctions/deal nixing, continuation of Iraq/Syria interventions, neocons beehive etc.
    Looking forward to any 5D Chess explanations here.






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    Poll: Gov shut over $5B Wall funding; which side will fold?

    Trump again spat on and gave the middle finger to his base

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Pelosi threatens with "emergency" based on gun control...

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/pelo...y-on-guns.html
    What’s she gonna do? Declare martial law and send troops to Chicago?
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    Will @dannno have a fan fiction story about why he signed this spending bill? I greatly enjoyed the previous editions of As the Trump Turns.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, no, what happened was they brought him the bill, he was like wtf is this $#@!, they were like "OH we need to pass this ASAP btw or the govt shuts down..." Then Trump says, "I'm not signing this crap, I heard on the news it included a tunnel from NY to NJ.." So he threatened to veto it, then they said, "Oh, you MUST sign it, it has all this great military stuff in it, don't you like the military? You don't want to shut down the military do you? Think about the vets!! You've gotta sign it!!!!"


    Then Trump was probably like, "Alright, well I hope there is nothing else really egregious I should know about in there, is there?"


    "Oh no, Mr. President, all completely normal stuff, we promise!!"




    Of course Trump didn't have time to read it, but when he finds out they put this stink bomb in there, he will be way more pissed than he was about a tunnel from NY to NJ...
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    As soon as Paul Ryan is out, Trump will be ready to debate health care again.

    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    In all reality, Trump is the closest thing to a Savior America has seen since Lincoln (suck it, neo-confederates). Mostly because it never really needed saving since the Civil War.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Rand Paul: Trump Won ‘Big Victory’ with Border Wall Deal
    Looking at Rand's recent statement on Syria exit pride, he could be humoring or playing some 3D MAGA speak chess. If MAGA can make statements and then do the exact opposite, why can't other politicians play politics with such an art of the deal guru.

    Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee Inhofe: Troops won’t leave Syria, Afghanistan soon; Shanahan not permanent SecDef

    Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., addresses witnesses on Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2019, during a hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington.
    https://www.stripes.com/inhofe-troop...ecdef-1.568386



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Will @dannno have a fan fiction story about why he signed this spending bill? I greatly enjoyed the previous editions of As the Trump Turns.
    He hasn't signed it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Looking at Rand's recent statement on Syria exit, he could be humoring or playing some 3D MAGA speak chess. If MAGA can make statements and then do the exact opposite, why can't other politicians play politics with such a art of the deal guru.

    Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee Inhofe: Troops won’t leave Syria, Afghanistan soon; Shanahan not permanent SecDef





    Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., addresses witnesses on Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2019, during a hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington.
    https://www.stripes.com/inhofe-troop...ecdef-1.568386
    Inhofe can't stop the pullouts.
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    ''Declaring a national state of emergency under the National Emergencies Act of 1974 outlines how a president can activate special statutory power during a crisis.
    George W. Bush declared 13 emergencies and Barack Obama declared 12 -- nearly all of which are still active today. Bill Clinton declared 17 national emergencies, six of which are still active. Ronald Reagan declared six and George H.W. Bush declared four -- but all of those have been revoked by now.
    The first declaration under the National Emergencies Act of 1974 came during the Iran hostage crisis -- a national emergency that is still active today. Jimmy Carter blocked Iranian government property from entering the country. It's been renewed each year by all presidents since then.
    Presidents must renew national emergencies every year because the statute lets emergencies automatically expire after one year.''

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/polit...-trump-opioid/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He hasn't signed it yet.
    He will. This has been his plan all along. The shut down brought awareness. Pelosi went bat$#@! bonkers. Now he'll declare an emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    He will. This has been his plan all along. The shut down brought awareness. Pelosi went bat$#@! bonkers. Now he'll declare an emergency.
    He said he was going to check it for "landmines", according to articles at breitbart it is full of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He hasn't signed it yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    As soon as Paul Ryan is out, Trump will be ready to debate health care again.

    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    In all reality, Trump is the closest thing to a Savior America has seen since Lincoln (suck it, neo-confederates). Mostly because it never really needed saving since the Civil War.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He hasn't signed it yet.
    He'll probably sign it, it's free money for the wall.. then he can declare a national emergency and get the rest of it.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He'll probably sign it, it's free money for the wall.. then he can declare a national emergency and get the rest of it.
    That depends on the "landmines".
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Pelosi threatens with "emergency" based on gun control...



    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/pelo...y-on-guns.html
    Try it bitch. Lets see what happens.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He said he was going to check it for "landmines", according to articles at breitbart it is full of them.
    If he did, will that be the "end" as some Republicans are predicting?


    NATIONAL EMERGENCY WON’T HELP. IT’S OVER IF HE SIGNS THIS BILL! https://t.co/K3N8tjVzBK
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) February 14, 2019
    Coulter has continually acted as one of Trump’s chief media critics during the wall funding debate — alongside the Drudge Report and Rush Limbaugh — and her comments have helped pressure the president into keeping the government shutdown for many weeks that he did.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYI2QN-qeuo

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Is she certain current POTUS won't beat Dems to it and do it himself? (His top funder is a democrat)


    White House School Safety Commission Recommends Gun Confiscation



    I'm hoping that incredibly lame statement Trump made was out of shear ignorance,
    it is possible, I'm probably wrong though.

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    These people arenít playing games. They will whip up the anti gun folks just like they whipped up the wall building folks into applauding the continued erosion of the balance of powers. Some of the same people having seizures over Obama are now cheerleading Your Guy.

    It isnít about ideological purity at this point, itís about having a consistent thought for longer than a election cycle.

    Remember the basics. Deficit spending=always bad. More government power=always less liberty. No exceptions for crazies with guns or Hispanics. Sorry.

    I am saying it here. I will 100% support MAGA Freedom Wall if:

    -all welfare to illegals is stopped. Doesnít cost me a thing.
    -enforce current immigration laws. You hire one, you get caught, you pay big money. Doesnít cost me a thing.

    See, it should NEVER be: do this other debt ridden and freedom sucking thing and THEN we get back to the money saving liberty stuff above later. It never works out that way. Wouldnít need a wall if those things were done anyway. Why arenít we demanding that? Why isnít Trump demanding that? Because he knew he wouldnít get it? I donít believe thatís the case, even though I am sure someone will set me straight.

    Never let a crisis go to waste...

    I do enjoy reading the comments about the issue here, even if my neck is 2í across from SMDH so much.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What’s she gonna do? Declare martial law and send troops to Chicago?
    I am telling her to send the california guard to invade illinois . Put a stop to this violence now.
    Do something Danke

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