Trump to declare national emergency for border wall after signing spending bill

[Superfluous Man]

Then Congress needs to retract the power that it granted to the President.

The other side breaks all the rules to destroy America and liberty, if we don't even use the rules as they are against them we are doomed to fail.

You're sure right about the other side doing that. But as bad as they are, they still have never tried to use the power delegated to the President in the National Emergencies Act to do something like what Trump is now trying to do (unless you can still manage to find an example).

I'm not certain that the rules, as they are, do allow this. If the National Emergencies Act really does permit this, then I would love for Congress to repeal it (I'd love them to repeal it anyway, even if it doesn't). But if it is true that that act as written gives the president to blatantly contradict Congress's authority over the budget the way Trump is now doing, then not just this particular action, but the entire act should be ruled unconstitutional.

Sadly, I fear that if it came to that, you and others here would actually continue arguing *for* the constitutionality of an act that gives the president such power just to be able to keep saying that Trump should be permitted to do it.

[Swordsmyth]

You're sure right about the other side doing that. But as bad as they are, they still have never tried to use the power delegated to the President in the National Emergencies Act to do something like what Trump is now trying to do (unless you can still manage to find an example).

I'm not certain that the rules, as they are, do allow this. If the National Emergencies Act really does permit this, then I would love for Congress to repeal it (I'd love them to repeal it anyway, even if it doesn't). But if it is true that that act as written gives the president to blatantly contradict Congress's authority over the budget the way Trump is now doing, then not just this particular action, but the entire act should be ruled unconstitutional.

Sadly, I fear that if it came to that, you and others here would actually continue arguing *for* the constitutionality of an act that gives the president such power just to be able to keep saying that Trump should be permitted to do it.

Trump is not doing anything new, Congress authorized the fence/wall/barrier/whatever and they gave him some money for it and they gave him the power to declare an emergency and use emergency money for it.

If Congress repeals the National Emergencies Act I would support the repeal, I don't know that it is unconstitutional but it does give the President extra powers while reducing those of Congress without giving Congress or the people any more power to hold him accountable for how he uses it.

[Stratovarious]

That's another make believe example. Got any real world ones?

I think you are confusing presidential declarations of national emergencies (the subject we're discussing in this thread) with natural disasters, which is a totally different thing.

Here's a list of declared national emergencies to help you find the precedent you're looking for, if it really exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Ok Gibberish Man; Obama's 13 'emergencies, how did any of them trump Trump's
'emergency'.
Or
Is it better to declare and emergency before you have one.

[Superfluous Man]

Ok Gibberish Man; Obama's 13 'emergencies, how did any of them trump Trump's
'emergency'.

Were any of them at all similar to this? Did Obama ever use a declaration of a national emergency as a means of spending money Congress voted against spending?

They're all listed in the wiki article I linked for you. If there's precedent for Trump's action, you should be able to find it there.

[Superfluous Man]

Trump is not doing anything new

You keep asserting this, but you are not able to find any previous examples of any president doing it.

I know you read a lot of news and commentary about this subject. Have you come across anyone who has been able to find any precedent for this?

I haven't.

If you manage to find that precedent, please share it.

[Swordsmyth]

Were any of them at all similar to this? Did Obama ever use a declaration of a national emergency as a means of spending money Congress voted against spending?

They're all listed in the wiki article I linked for you. If there's precedent for Trump's action, you should be able to find it there.

O'Bummer spent money without Congressional approval and without even a declaration of an emergency to trigger emergency money.

[Swordsmyth]

You keep asserting this, but you are not able to find any previous examples of any president doing it.

I know you read a lot of news and commentary about this subject. Have you come across anyone who has been able to find any precedent for this?

I haven't.

If you manage to find that precedent, please share it.

I already told you the precedent, every emergency that spent emergency funds.

[Superfluous Man]

I already told you the precedent, every emergency that spent emergency funds.

Such as?

[Superfluous Man]

O'Bummer spent money without Congressional approval and without even a declaration of an emergency to trigger emergency money.

Got a specific example?

[acptulsa]

O'Bummer spent money without Congressional approval and without even a declaration of an emergency to trigger emergency money.

I already told you the precedent, every emergency that spent emergency funds.

How many people have to call b.s. before you stop repeating your lie? Or have you so taken to heart the notion that repeating a lie makes it true that you think that'll work on us?

Have you bothered to look at Obama's declarations of emergency? What did moves to seize the property of people who were trying to aid the nations we were serially attacking while he was retroactively earning his "peace prize" cost, exactly? Are you certain all that seized property wasn't a net gain? Got links to the figures to prove it?

Discuss the specifics or shut up. Your spam isn't worth frying with our eggs.

[Swordsmyth]

Got a specific example?

The O'Bummercare subsidies.

Don't try to pretend you just got here from Mars.

[Swordsmyth]

How many people have to call b.s. before you stop repeating your lie? Or have you so taken to heart the notion that repeating a lie makes it true that you think that'll work on us?

Have you bothered to look at Obama's declarations of emergency? What did moves to seize the property of people who were trying to aid the nations we were serially attacking while he was retroactively earning his "peace prize" cost, exactly? Are you certain all that seized property wasn't a net gain? Got links to the figures to prove it?

Discuss the specifics or shut up. Your spam isn't worth frying with our eggs.

Did I say O'Bummer's emergencies spent emergency money?
I said the money he spent without Congressional approval was also without an emergency.

[acptulsa]

I already told you the precedent, every emergency that spent emergency funds.

Did I say O'Bummer's emergencies spent emergency money?

You certainly said somebody's did.

I said the money he spent without Congressional approval was also without an emergency.

Well, nobody seems to have any idea what you're talking about.

You least of all, I suspect.

[Swordsmyth]

You certainly said somebody's did.



Well, nobody seems to have any idea what you're talking about.

You least of all, I suspect.

[acptulsa]

Oh, joy. Another low-value post.

Well, that does seem to confirm you're just naysaying people out of rote, and you've no clue what you're actually saying.

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, joy. Another low-value post.

Well, that does seem to confirm you're just naysaying people out of rote, and you've no clue what you're actually saying.

[acptulsa]

And that confirms it.

[Stratovarious]

Ok Gibberish Man; Obama's 13 'emergencies, how did any of them trump Trump's
'emergency'.
Or
Is it better to declare and emergency before you have one.

Were any of them at all similar to this? Did Obama ever use a declaration of a national emergency as a means of spending money Congress voted against spending?

They're all listed in the wiki article I linked for you. If there's precedent for Trump's action, you should be able to find it there.

[Slave Mentality]

Fixed.

Whether spending is deficit spending or not is unimportant. Government spending is government spending, which is bad. Raising more revenue so that it's not deficit spending wouldn't make it less bad.

You are correct. Thanks for the correction.

[timosman]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ration-1176803

02/20/2019

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is throwing her muscle behind a legislative effort to block President Donald Trump’s national emergency declaration, the first formal step to counter Trump and squeeze Republicans on the border wall.

Democrats will introduce legislation Friday to terminate the emergency proclamation and Pelosi is urging House colleagues on both sides of the aisle to support the resolution, according to a letter obtained by POLITICO on Wednesday.

"I write to invite all Members of Congress to cosponsor Congressman Joaquin Castro’s privileged resolution to terminate this emergency declaration," Pelosi wrote, noting that the House will "move swiftly to pass this bill."

"The President’s decision to go outside the bounds of the law to try to get what he failed to achieve in the constitutional legislative process violates the Constitution and must be terminated," she added.

Pelosi sent the letter to both Democrats and Republicans on Wednesday night, a rare occurrence that underscores the seriousness with which the speaker plans to try to block Trump's effort to go around Congress and build his border wall.


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