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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Source? I don't generally care much what other people in public positions think but that's a mighty big claim to make, along with trying to plant a seed that RPI is compromised like you have in your last few posts. It looks to me like it's not RPI that's compromised but there sure are some RPF accounts that are.
    Daniel McAdams calling BS on France "Revolution"

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    Question El Cartel De Medellín

    this single plane had conducted 40 round-trip flights from Miami International Airport to Caracas and Valencia — where the smuggled weapons had been discovered — in Venezuela, as well as to Bogota and Medellin in Colombia in just the past month.


    Mena, Arkansas - Clinton, Bush, CIA, drug smuggling, Trump, Venezuela....

    No connection. /s
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's even stranger watching supposed libertarians support yet another obvious CIA regime change operation underway in an oil rich region. The libertarian position is non-interventionism. It is their responsibility and their responsibility alone to determine if they want to change their system of government. If we were all confident that we were watching an organic revolution underway, instead of watching the results of international sanctions (which Dr. Paul calls an act of war), blockades, intel agency meddling and other things -on top of- a socialism model, then the response from many of us would probably be different. But that's not the case and anyone that's suggesting that what is happening in Venezuela is purely a result of failed socialism is being intentionally disingenuous or is just ignorant and not worth listening to.

    Like I said in other threads, for me it's not about socialism vs. capitalism (esp. since we don't even have capitalism here and have been quietly socialist since the New Deal), it's about facts vs. fiction and staying true to noninterventionism.
    Most people here don't support American intervention but lots of people are supporting the communist regime.
    It is possible and the correct position to support neither.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    This is my position, too, and what is as obvious as all get-out to me is:

    This is the position of
    everyone on this site!


    OK? I mean, I hate to point out the obvious, but apparently no one else was going to do it, and a whole lot of folks seem to be missing this somehow, despite its blatant couldn't-be-more-obvious obviousness.

    1. Against socialism. Would not endorse policies of socialism.
    2. Against interventionism. Would not endorse the US invading potholes for being socialist.

    This two-part position is the position of everyone here. There are some deep-seated animosities between various people on RPF, however, and so they have chosen to be belligerent at each other over this issue, even though they completely agree!

    That is our situation.

    Now. That said.

    There is only a very, very small percentage of people who can sustain bifurcated opinions like this. It's like understanding complex numbers (43i, √π). Can you? I can't. Same with choosing opinions on current events. And even people with the mental capacity to do it are only going to go to the trouble very occasionally.

    Every current event that pops up, every new random thing that grazes our cranium, is by default a binary choice. You choose camp A, or camp B. The girl is Hot, or she is Not. You ask her out, or you don't. This is how the brain is set up. You side with Maduro, or you side with Eliot Abrams. You side with Saddam Hussein, or you side with The American Flag. You Fight, or you Flight. You're a Boy, or a Girl. Binary. You start trying to make things non-binary and things can get real confusing and strange, real fast.

    So even here on RPF, we have the binary split:

    Camp One is choosing to emphasize the socialist crimes of King Bobonut of the Jungle.
    Camp Two is choosing to emphasize their irritation with Yet Another Stupid Proxy War build-up.

    And that's actually sensible and natural enough, because it is in fact a binary choice! Either we:

    1. Get Duped (again) and Go to War with Russia some pothole in South Stinking America, or
    2. We don't.

    One of those two (2) things will happen.

    So, I choose Camp Two.

    Camp Two is the right camp.

    Hands down, my friends. Hands down.


    And So,.................................................. .................................................. ...........................


    There is a better position, I side with the people of Venezuela while adamantly insisting that we leave them to their own devices.

    Hail the people of Venezuela!
    Butcher Mad Dog Maduro!
    BUT DO IT ON YOUR OWN!
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nowhere in that post did McAdams "support Macron". He only questioned whether the yellow vests were an organic revolution or whether they're yet another fomented revolution, which isn't exactly anything new in France (see: Freemasons and the French Revolution) or in "color" revolutions around the world. Your suggestion that McAdams supports Macron and implied that he's some kind of subversive is intentionally meant to cast doubt on RPI and is flat out bs. That's nothing new for you, either.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Nowhere in that post did McAdams "support Macron". He only questioned whether the yellow vests were an organic revolution or whether they're yet another fomented revolution, which isn't exactly anything new in France (see: Freemasons and the French Revolution) or in "color" revolutions around the world. Your suggestion that McAdams supports Macron and implied that he's some kind of subversive is intentionally meant to cast doubt on RPI and is flat out bs. That's nothing new for you, either.
    He attempted to use the Yellow Vests' demand that Macron resign as evidence that they were illegitimate and implied that Macron shouldn't be forced to resign.

    If that isn't supporting Macron what is it?

    It's not like he could keep any credibility if he just came out and said "I support Macron and everything he does", he has to maintain his cover to some extent.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He attempted to use the Yellow Vests' demand that Macron resign as evidence that they were illegitimate and implied that Macron shouldn't be forced to resign.

    If that isn't supporting Macron what is it?

    It's not like he could keep any credibility if he just came out and said "I support Macron and everything he does", he has to maintain his cover to some extent.
    McAdams said Macron is an establishment politician and may be the terrible person that the protestors claim he is. How you equate that to "I support Macron and everything he does" is just par for the course of more daily Shillsmyth disinfo drivel. Fortunately, no one takes you seriously here.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    McAdams said Macron is an establishment politician and may be the terrible person that the protestors claim he is. How you equate that to "I support Macron and everything he does" is just par for the course of more daily Shillsmyth disinfo drivel. Fortunately, no one takes you seriously here.
    I didn't say he said that, I said that he couldn't just come out and say that if he wanted to, however much he wants to support Macron and attack the Yellow Vests all the better he can do is what he did if he wants maintain any credibility.

    What he said was definitely some level of support for Macron and a totally unjustified attack on the Yellow Vests, you can't spin it otherwise.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 02-15-2019 at 01:38 AM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  11. #39
    Macron is Goldman Saches isnt he>

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Macron is Goldman Saches isnt he>
    He worked for an actual Rothschild bank before he went into politics.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He worked for an actual Rothschild bank before he went into politics.
    Oh wow, it sucks that he beat Le Pen

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Oh wow, it sucks that he beat Le Pen
    If you can believe that winning with 66.06% of the vote is genuine vote total.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  16. #43
    US Military Aircraft to Deliver Aid to Venezuela’s Border

    Aid is being rushed to Colombian border city

    The Trump Administration has announced Friday, along with a new round of sanctions against members of the Venezuelan government, that they are dispatching US military aircraft carrying aid to the Venezuelan border.

    The aid can’t get into Venezuela directly, as it is being sent to opposition leader Juan Guaido and with an eye specifically toward endorsing him as the new ruler of Venezuela. Instead, the aid will be sent to Cucuta, on the Colombian side of the border.

    It is unclear what the plans are for getting the aid across the border, and it is expected to arrive on Saturday. If anything, it is likely to raise tensions along the border, where the US has considered sending a large number of ground troops.

    The administration has repeatedly said that military intervention remains on the table in imposing regime change in Venezuela. There is no timeline for that,though it is clear that some Trump aides are pushing for action to ensure Guiado ultimately takes power.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/15/...zuelas-border/
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