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    SHOWDOWN LOOMS AS VENEZUELA'S GUAIDO SETS AID ENTRY DATE

    https://ewn.co.za/2019/02/13/showdow...aid-entry-date

    Tens of thousands of protesters had taken to the streets to demand that President Nicolas Maduro allow aid into Venezuela, where food and medicine shortages are rife.
    CARACAS - Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido told a huge rally of supporters on Tuesday that humanitarian aid would enter the country on 23 February, setting the stage for a showdown with President Nicolas Maduro who has refused to let supplies in.
    This might be how the civil war starts.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    That is the goal of all of this, throw the country into chaos and when its has been weakened and starved with war and sanctions, the imperialist US will go in and take it for all its got. All the while, the countries with a social security system, food stamps, section 8, medicare etc will blame the whole crisis on socialism
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is the goal of all of this, throw the country into chaos and when its has been weakened and starved with war and sanctions, the imperialist US will go in and take it for all its got. All the while, the countries with a social security system, food stamps, section 8, medicare etc will blame the whole crisis on socialism


    Chavez seized dozens of multinational corporations. It turns out people don't want to invest in a country where the government arbitrarily takes property on that kind of mass scale. That's kind of a common thread in countries with hyperinflation. Allende seized thousands of farms. Mugabe had his own "land reform".


    Comparing that to food stamps is quite dumb. In terms of level of respect for property rights, the US is probably a 9 out of 10. Venezueula is more like a 2 out of 10. You can say Medicare is the same thing as mass seizures. It just makes your opinion wrong and not serious. https://www.reuters.com/article/vene...79I0Z520111201

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    https://ewn.co.za/2019/02/13/showdow...aid-entry-date





    This might be how the civil war starts.
    Oh goodie, the CIA is to be commended on a fine job.
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
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    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    https://ewn.co.za/2019/02/13/showdow...aid-entry-date





    This might be how the civil war starts.
    Text book example..

    Wikileaks has the manual,, You can Read it.

    Very similar to Iran but with a twist.

    I wonder who the eventual Puppet Dictator will be?
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    Last edited by pcosmar; 02-13-2019 at 03:53 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Oh goodie, the CIA is to be commended on a fine job.
    All Maduro has to do is open his borders to trade. CIA or not, people will only quietly bury their starving children for so long.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    All Maduro has to do is open his borders to trade. CIA or not, people will only quietly bury their starving children for so long.
    Sure, just do what you're supposed to do and everything will be ok. Just ask Gaddafi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Sure, just do what you're supposed to do and everything will be ok. Just ask Gaddafi.
    Are you arguing against the libertarian position? Everything that is wrong in VZ stems from a lack of things libertarians promote. No property rights, no free trade.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Are you arguing against the libertarian position? Everything that is wrong in VZ stems from a lack of things libertarians promote. No property rights, no free trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Are you arguing against the libertarian position? Everything that is wrong in VZ stems from a lack of things libertarians promote. No property rights, no free trade.
    It certainly has been strange watching a bunch of suppose libertarians defend a completely socialist state the past month or so. I had to unfollow McAdams from the RPI; because he was retweeting and supporting so many outright communists lately. It is sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    It certainly has been strange watching a bunch of suppose libertarians defend a completely socialist state the past month or so. I had to unfollow McAdams from the RPI; because he was retweeting and supporting so many outright communists lately. It is sickening.
    And McAdams supported Macron against the Yellow Vests.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And McAdams supported Macron against the Yellow Vests.
    yeah that too. Gives RP a bad name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    yeah that too. Gives RP a bad name.
    I think McAdams is the one influencing Ron to soften up on the border as well, I no longer believe he can be trusted.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Are you arguing against the libertarian position? Everything that is wrong in VZ stems from a lack of things libertarians promote. No property rights, no free trade.
    No, I'm arguing against our sabre rattling and CIA meddling around the world. VS is not our problem, not should we be grooming people to take power in other countries. Stating this does not mean I defend Madura or socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    No, I'm arguing against our sabre rattling and CIA meddling around the world. VS is not our problem, not should we be grooming people to take power in other countries. Stating this does not mean I defend Madura or socialism.
    I'd prefer to see Brazil et al take care of it, because the refugees will be their problem.

    But insisting that the economy collapsed because the CIA has been targeting them for decades is just as ridiculous as insisting there's not really anything wrong with their economy.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is the goal of all of this, throw the country into chaos and when its has been weakened and starved with war and sanctions, the imperialist US will go in and take it for all its got. All the while, the countries with a social security system, food stamps, section 8, medicare etc will blame the whole crisis on socialism
    You nailed it. Venezuelans aren't any smarter then Libyans for following the Opposition. Look at Libya a failed state. Venezuela isnt far from becoming one if America starts a intervention there.

    MSM would love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    It certainly has been strange watching a bunch of suppose libertarians defend a completely socialist state the past month or so. I had to unfollow McAdams from the RPI; because he was retweeting and supporting so many outright communists lately. It is sickening.
    It's even stranger watching supposed libertarians support yet another obvious CIA regime change operation underway in an oil rich region. The libertarian position is non-interventionism. It is their responsibility and their responsibility alone to determine if they want to change their system of government. If we were all confident that we were watching an organic revolution underway, instead of watching the results of international sanctions (which Dr. Paul calls an act of war), blockades, intel agency meddling and other things -on top of- a socialism model, then the response from many of us would probably be different. But that's not the case and anyone that's suggesting that what is happening in Venezuela is purely a result of failed socialism is being intentionally disingenuous or is just ignorant and not worth listening to.

    Like I said in other threads, for me it's not about socialism vs. capitalism (esp. since we don't even have capitalism here and have been quietly socialist since the New Deal), it's about facts vs. fiction and staying true to noninterventionism.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And McAdams supported Macron against the Yellow Vests.
    Source? I don't generally care much what other people in public positions think but that's a mighty big claim to make, along with trying to plant a seed that RPI is compromised like you have in your last few posts. It looks to me like it's not RPI that's compromised but there sure are some RPF accounts that are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's even stranger watching supposed libertarians support yet another obvious CIA regime change operation underway in an oil rich region.
    Which libertarians are those? Point them out so I can help ostracize them. TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Which libertarians are those? Point them out so I can help ostracize them. TIA
    There's some in this thread, duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    There's some in this thread, duh.
    I don't see anybody in this thread arguing for US intervention. Help me out, I don't read everything on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I don't see anybody in this thread arguing for US intervention. Help me out, I don't read everything on the site.
    True, good point. The CIA doesn't work for the US. I forget sometimes that the CIA works for London.
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    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's even stranger watching supposed libertarians support yet another obvious CIA regime change operation underway in an oil rich region. The libertarian position is non-interventionism. It is their responsibility and their responsibility alone to determine if they want to change their system of government. If we were all confident that we were watching an organic revolution underway, instead of watching the results of international sanctions (which Dr. Paul calls an act of war), blockades, intel agency meddling and other things -on top of- a socialism model, then the response from many of us would probably be different. But that's not the case and anyone that's suggesting that what is happening in Venezuela is purely a result of failed socialism is being intentionally disingenuous or is just ignorant and not worth listening to.

    Like I said in other threads, for me it's not about socialism vs. capitalism (esp. since we don't even have capitalism here and have been quietly socialist since the New Deal), it's about facts vs. fiction and staying true to noninterventionism.



    Source? I don't generally care much what other people in public positions think but that's a mighty big claim to make, along with trying to plant a seed that RPI is compromised like you have in your last few posts. It looks to me like it's not RPI that's compromised but there sure are some RPF accounts that are.
    TRUTH.

    Also, it looks like the Yellow Vests might actually be true rebels, sick of insidious government stealing from them. Lottsa hate being spread about them, which is usually an indicator that they might be the real thing- think Assad- but so far it doesn't look like an alphabet organized color revolution. Will be interesting to see how this goes down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    I am sure you know the lemmings jumping off cliff is a myth but for the other reader who actually still believe this myth, watch this
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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    No, I'm arguing against our sabre rattling and CIA meddling around the world. VS is not our problem, not should we be grooming people to take power in other countries. Stating this does not mean I defend Madura or socialism.
    This is my position, too, and what is as obvious as all get-out to me is:

    This is the position of
    everyone on this site!


    OK? I mean, I hate to point out the obvious, but apparently no one else was going to do it, and a whole lot of folks seem to be missing this somehow, despite its blatant couldn't-be-more-obvious obviousness.

    1. Against socialism. Would not endorse policies of socialism.
    2. Against interventionism. Would not endorse the US invading potholes for being socialist.

    This two-part position is the position of everyone here. There are some deep-seated animosities between various people on RPF, however, and so they have chosen to be belligerent at each other over this issue, even though they completely agree!

    That is our situation.

    Now. That said.

    There is only a very, very small percentage of people who can sustain bifurcated opinions like this. It's like understanding complex numbers (43i, √π). Can you? I can't. Same with choosing opinions on current events. And even people with the mental capacity to do it are only going to go to the trouble very occasionally.

    Every current event that pops up, every new random thing that grazes our cranium, is by default a binary choice. You choose camp A, or camp B. The girl is Hot, or she is Not. You ask her out, or you don't. This is how the brain is set up. You side with Maduro, or you side with Eliot Abrams. You side with Saddam Hussein, or you side with The American Flag. You Fight, or you Flight. You're a Boy, or a Girl. Binary. You start trying to make things non-binary and things can get real confusing and strange, real fast.

    So even here on RPF, we have the binary split:

    Camp One is choosing to emphasize the socialist crimes of King Bobonut of the Jungle.
    Camp Two is choosing to emphasize their irritation with Yet Another Stupid Proxy War build-up.

    And that's actually sensible and natural enough, because it is in fact a binary choice! Either we:

    1. Get Duped (again) and Go to War with Russia some pothole in South Stinking America, or
    2. We don't.

    One of those two (2) things will happen.

    So, I choose Camp Two.

    Camp Two is the right camp.

    Hands down, my friends. Hands down.


    And So,.................................................. .................................................. ...........................


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    US Air Freight Company that Smuggled Weapons Into Venezuela Linked to CIA “Black Site” Renditions


    The parallels between aspects of the Contra scandal and the current situation in Venezuela are striking, particularly given the recent “outrage” voiced by mainstream media and prominent U.S. politicians over Maduro’s refusal to allow U.S. “humanitarian aid” into the country.

    GREENSBORO, NORTH CAROLINA – Two executives at the company that chartered the U.S. plane that was caught smuggling weapons into Venezuela last week have been tied to an air cargo company that aided the CIA in the rendition of alleged terrorists to “black site” centers for interrogation. The troubling revelation comes as Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has rejected a U.S. “humanitarian aid” convoy over concerns that it could contain weapons meant to arm the country’s U.S.-backed opposition.

    Last Tuesday, Venezuelan authorities announced that 19 rifles, 118 ammo magazines, 90 radios and six iPhones had been smuggled into the country via a U.S. plane that had originated in Miami. The authorities blamed the United States government for the illicit cargo, accusing it of seeking to arm U.S.-funded opposition groups in the country in order to topple the current Maduro-led government.

    A subsequent investigation into the plane responsible for the weapons caché conducted by McClatchyDC received very little media attention despite the fact that it uncovered information clearly showing that the plane responsible for the shipment had been making an unusually high number of trips to Venezuela and neighboring Colombia over the past few weeks.

    Steffan Watkins, an Ottawa-based analyst, told McClatchy in a telephone interview that the plane, which is operated by U.S. air cargo company 21 Air, had been “flying between Philadelphia and Miami and all over the place, but all continental U.S.” during all of last year. However, Watkins noted that “all of a sudden in January, things changed” when the plane began making trips to Colombia and Venezuela on a daily basis, sometimes multiple times a day.

    According to Watkins’ analysis, this single plane had conducted 40 round-trip flights from Miami International Airport to Caracas and Valencia — where the smuggled weapons had been discovered — in Venezuela, as well as to Bogota and Medellin in Colombia in just the past month.
    Publicly available flight radar information shows that the plane, although it has not returned to Venezuela since the discovery of its illicit cargo, has continued to travel to Medellin, Colombia, as recently as this past Monday.

    Multiple CIA ties

    In addition to the dramatic and abrupt change in flight patterns that occurred just weeks before U.S. Vice President Mike Pence prompted Venezuelan opposition member Juan Guaidó to declare himself “interim president,” a subsequent McClatchy follow-up investigation also uncovered the fact that two top executives at the company that owns the plane in question had previously worked with a company connected to controversial CIA “black sites.”

    Indeed, the chairman and majority owner of 21 Air, Adolfo Moreno, and 21 Air’s director of quality control, Michael Steinke, both have “either coincidental or direct ties” to Gemini Air Cargo, a company previously named by Amnesty International as one of the air charter services involved in a CIA rendition program. In this CIA program, individuals suspected of terrorism were abducted by the intelligence agency and then taken abroad to third-country secret “black sites” where torture, officially termed “enhanced interrogation,” was regularly performed.

    Steinke worked for Gemini Air Cargo from 1996 to 1997, according to a 2016 Department of Transportation document cited by McClatchy. Moreno, although he did not work for Gemini, registered two separate business at a Miami address that was later registered to Gemini Air Cargo while the CIA rendition program was active. McClatchy noted that the first business Moreno registered at the location was incorporated in 1987 while the second was created in 2001. Gemini Cargo Logistics, a subsidiary of Gemini Air Cargo, was subsequently registered at that same location in 2005.

    21 Air has denied any responsibility for the weapons shipment discovered onboard the plane it operates, instead blaming a contractor known as GPS-Air for the illicit cargo. A GPS-Air manager, Cesar Meneses, told McClatchy that the weapons shipment had been “fabricated” by the Maduro-led government to paint his government as the victim. Meneses also stated that “the cargo doesn’t belong to 21 Air and it doesn’t belong to GPS-Air” and that it had been provided by third parties, whose identities Meneses declined to disclose.

    Contras redux?

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Chavez seized dozens of multinational corporations. It turns out people don't want to invest in a country where the government arbitrarily takes property on that kind of mass scale. That's kind of a common thread in countries with hyperinflation. Allende seized thousands of farms. Mugabe had his own "land reform".


    Comparing that to food stamps is quite dumb. In terms of level of respect for property rights, the US is probably a 9 out of 10. Venezueula is more like a 2 out of 10. You can say Medicare is the same thing as mass seizures. It just makes your opinion wrong and not serious. https://www.reuters.com/article/vene...79I0Z520111201
    There are loads of private companies in the Venezuela and they may seize a company when they think it is used as a front for terrorism. The US seized a bunch of Iranian owned buildings in the US using the same excuse. The point is that a country with a whole lot of socialism is claiming to be fighting socialism in another country.

    Not buying it
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    There are loads of private companies in the Venezuela and they may seize a company when they think it is used as a front for terrorism. The US seized a bunch of Iranian owned buildings in the US using the same excuse. The point is that a country with a whole lot of socialism is claiming to be fighting socialism in another country.

    Not buying it

    I know you are trolling but...

    Exxon-Mobil and Owens-Illinois are not the equivalent to Iran. And the Chavez didn't use terrorism as the reason. He said they work "exploiting the workers". https://www.cnbc.com/id/39849019

    The US ranks near the top of every ranking of economic freedom. Venezuela near the bottom.

    The End.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I know you are trolling but...

    Exxon-Mobil and Owens-Illinois are not the equivalent to Iran. And the Chavez didn't use terrorism as the reason. He said they work "exploiting the workers". https://www.cnbc.com/id/39849019

    The US ranks near the top of every ranking of economic freedom. Venezuela near the bottom.

    The End.
    His actual quotes are "taking away the money of Venezuelans". So yea, countries use different reasons for seizing companies. Also the oil companies are worse than Iran, they usually work hand in hand with CIA/western intelligence org to pressurize countries into signing unfavorable deals with them.

    Those freedom rankings makes no mention of underhanded tactic used into killing and destroying free people and communities in other countries. I bet if those were put in the metrics, the US would be last or near to the last on the list. Venezuela is in the middle of an economic warfare brought on by the US, I wouldn't expect their economic freedom scale to be all that good.

    And no, I am not trolling u.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    This is my position, too, and what is as obvious as all get-out to me is:

    This is the position of
    everyone on this site!


    OK? I mean, I hate to point out the obvious, but apparently no one else was going to do it, and a whole lot of folks seem to be missing this somehow, despite its blatant couldn't-be-more-obvious obviousness.

    1. Against socialism. Would not endorse policies of socialism.
    2. Against interventionism. Would not endorse the US invading potholes for being socialist.

    This two-part position is the position of everyone here. There are some deep-seated animosities between various people on RPF, however, and so they have chosen to be belligerent at each other over this issue, even though they completely agree!

    That is our situation.

    Now. That said.

    There is only a very, very small percentage of people who can sustain bifurcated opinions like this. It's like understanding complex numbers (43i, √π). Can you? I can't. Same with choosing opinions on current events. And even people with the mental capacity to do it are only going to go to the trouble very occasionally.

    Every current event that pops up, every new random thing that grazes our cranium, is by default a binary choice. You choose camp A, or camp B. The girl is Hot, or she is Not. You ask her out, or you don't. This is how the brain is set up. You side with Maduro, or you side with Eliot Abrams. You side with Saddam Hussein, or you side with The American Flag. You Fight, or you Flight. You're a Boy, or a Girl. Binary. You start trying to make things non-binary and things can get real confusing and strange, real fast.

    So even here on RPF, we have the binary split:

    Camp One is choosing to emphasize the socialist crimes of King Bobonut of the Jungle.
    Camp Two is choosing to emphasize their irritation with Yet Another Stupid Proxy War build-up.

    And that's actually sensible and natural enough, because it is in fact a binary choice! Either we:

    1. Get Duped (again) and Go to War with Russia some pothole in South Stinking America, or
    2. We don't.

    One of those two (2) things will happen.

    So, I choose Camp Two.

    Camp Two is the right camp.

    Hands down, my friends. Hands down.


    And So,.................................................. .................................................. ...........................


    indubitably

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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