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    America Needs a Reset Button; Restore Default Settings (?)

    Our Constitution has Been Trampled and distorted beyond recognition,
    do we need a reset button for it?

    What if any changes , clarifications, would you make....


    Personal observation;
    An argument is made that we are in a different age,
    technology has changed our environment exponentially,
    we are entering/in a surveillance state, a dossier state,
    a state where thoughts and speech are considered crimes.
    Our thoughts and political views have become reasons to
    refuse goods and services;
    food, shelter, banking etc, every citizen is a suspect
    before any crime has been committed of even 'planned' /
    'envisioned'.
    Political Parties and govt bodies have the ability to;
    -Discredit anyone
    -Indict and incarcerate anyone
    Merely by audio/video/social media monitoring and archiving
    of everything we do and say 24/7, cradle to grave.



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    America Needs a Reset Button; Restore Default Settings (?)
    Unplug it and plug it back in. If that doesn't work, kick it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Ive been saying this for years.... The Constitution needs a reboot

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    I'd clarify that the first ten amendments are, henceforth, un-amendable being,
    "designed to approach immortality as nearly as human institutions can approach it."
    Also I'd like to see some criminal defense attorneys on the Supreme Court, and I'd have language that dilutes the unilateral power of that court to interpret legislation based upon expedience--applying strict or broad interpretations as is convenient for the purpose of the judges, because such a technique could never serve the purpose of a 'court'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Unplug it and plug it back in. If that doesn't work, kick it.
    I'm going to need a bigger boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Our Constitution has Been Trampled and distorted beyond recognition,
    do we need a reset button for it?

    What if any changes , clarifications, would you make....


    Personal observation;
    An argument is made that we are in a different age,
    technology has changed our environment exponentially,
    we are entering/in a surveillance state, a dossier state,
    a state where thoughts and speech are considered crimes.
    Our thoughts and political views have become reasons to
    refuse goods and services;
    food, shelter, banking etc, every citizen is a suspect
    before any crime has been committed of even 'planned' /
    'envisioned'.
    Political Parties and govt bodies have the ability to;
    -Discredit anyone
    -Indict and incarcerate anyone
    Merely by audio/video/social media monitoring and archiving
    of everything we do and say 24/7, cradle to grave.
    WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.

    The CONstitution was a Hamiltonian coup to install a strong central government- it has worked very well.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Our Constitution has Been Trampled and distorted beyond recognition,
    do we need a reset button for it?

    What if any changes , clarifications, would you make....


    Personal observation;
    An argument is made that we are in a different age,
    technology has changed our environment exponentially,
    we are entering/in a surveillance state, a dossier state,
    a state where thoughts and speech are considered crimes.
    Our thoughts and political views have become reasons to
    refuse goods and services;
    food, shelter, banking etc, every citizen is a suspect
    before any crime has been committed of even 'planned' /
    'envisioned'.
    Political Parties and govt bodies have the ability to;
    -Discredit anyone
    -Indict and incarcerate anyone
    Merely by audio/video/social media monitoring and archiving
    of everything we do and say 24/7, cradle to grave.
    So true.

    Whenever I say that we should go back to the open-borders policies we had up until progressives started implementing their immigration restrictions around the beginning of the 20th century, people want to give me all this crap about how the world isn't like that any more, bla bla bla.

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    Constitutional "sunset" amendment mandating a sunset clause on all law, with exception to the constitution itself.

    Excluding the constitution, and its amendments, no law shall stand for a period greater than 5 years. After which, the congress will have to re-pass any law that has expired.

    The "reset" is baked in, and will keep congress critters occupied with passing laws that count. It will also force elected officials to show their cards, while depleting excess political capital. Maybe the expiration could be 10 years? Regardless, there needs to be some turning of the soil, and these critters should be kept busy with important matters. If they cant manage, then the government has become too big to manage - i.e. they're making too many laws.

    Gulag Chief:
    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"



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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Constitutional "sunset" amendment mandating a sunset clause on all law, with exception to the constitution itself.

    Excluding the constitution, and its amendments, no law shall stand for a period greater than 5 years. After which, the congress will have to re-pass any law that has expired.

    The "reset" is baked in, and will keep congress critters occupied with passing laws that count. It will also force elected officials to show their cards, while depleting excess political capital. Maybe the expiration could be 10 years? Regardless, there needs to be some turning of the soil, and these critters should be kept busy with important matters. If they cant manage, then the government has become too big to manage - i.e. they're making too many laws.
    Not a bad idea.
    I also think we should explore a referendum for -------- well probably everything,
    a veto power of the people if you will, the pres can veto things , we should
    be able to as well , particularly in todays environment where
    Congress is passing laws to hang us all for spitting.
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 02-13-2019 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    So true.

    Whenever I say that we should go back to the open-borders policies we had up until progressives started implementing their immigration restrictions around the beginning of the 20th century, people want to give me all this crap about how the world isn't like that any more, bla bla bla.
    It was bad policy back then and it had a lot to do with causing our current mess.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    There is a reset button. It's located in the second sentence of the second paragraph within the Declaration of Independence. Should/if/When enough people find the courage to do what is suggested there, it would clean the slate, after which we could try the original idea again or create something even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mt4rp View Post
    There is a reset button. It's located in the second sentence of the second paragraph within the Declaration of Independence. Should/if/When enough people find the courage to do what is suggested there, it would clean the slate, after which we could try the original idea again or create something even better.
    So doing the same thing over and expecting different results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION.

    The CONstitution was a Hamiltonian coup to install a strong central government- it has worked very well.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ender again.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    So doing the same thing over and expecting different results?
    Well my preference would be create something better, say a voluntaryist/anarchist self governing society



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    Quote Originally Posted by mt4rp View Post
    Well my preference would be create something better, say a voluntaryist/anarchist self governing society
    I agree with that.

    I don't have high hopes for what would result from any violent overthrowing of a government though.

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    I don't have high hopes for what would result from any violent overthrowing of a government though.[/QUOTE]

    And I agree with you. Having said that, without the consent (support) of the people government has no legitimacy to exist. Considering only around 56% of eligible voters did so.of which about half picked the president (63 million) Shouldn't we be asking ourselves why 44% of the people found not enough value in government that they wouldn't invest a couple of hours to pull a lever? What if it isn't because of apathy but out of disgust? Why doesn't this group (us non consenters) have a platform from which to be heard?

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    How far we have strayed.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Our Constitution has Been Trampled and distorted beyond recognition,
    do we need a reset button for it?

    What if any changes , clarifications, would you make....


    Personal observation;
    An argument is made that we are in a different age,
    technology has changed our environment exponentially,
    we are entering/in a surveillance state, a dossier state,
    a state where thoughts and speech are considered crimes.
    Our thoughts and political views have become reasons to
    refuse goods and services;
    food, shelter, banking etc, every citizen is a suspect
    before any crime has been committed of even 'planned' /
    'envisioned'.
    Political Parties and govt bodies have the ability to;
    -Discredit anyone
    -Indict and incarcerate anyone
    Merely by audio/video/social media monitoring and archiving
    of everything we do and say 24/7, cradle to grave.
    The WORLD needs a reset event.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




    Pray for reset.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    How far we have strayed.
    Oh, I would say about 10% of the way the Constutition allows us to, or less.




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