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    Rand Paul’s Call — Reality vs. Rigidity

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02...y-vs-rigidity/

    FEBRUARY 8, 2019 by RALPH NADER

    Two contemporary stories about Senator Rand Paul (R- KY) illustrate the disconnect between one’s ideology and personal experiences. Imagine a fierce opponent of regulation being saved in a crash by government-mandated seat belts and air bags and the ensuing cognitive dissonance.

    In the case of Rand Paul, MD (ophthalmology) the two experiences came almost at the same time. Last month Senator Paul went to the Shouldice Hernia Centre, the world famous hernia repair institution located just outside of Toronto, Ontario.

    Before he departed for his surgery, some in the media recollected his virulent opposition to any government health insurance programs, including Medicare and Obamacare. In 2011, running for the Senate, Rand Paul declared:

    “With regard to the idea whether or not you have a right to health care…It means you believe in slavery. You are going to enslave not only me but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants, the nurses. … You are basically saying you believe in slavery.”

    In 2010, Rand Paul ran for the U.S. Senate, and won demonstrating the abject weakness of the Kentucky Democratic Party.

    Explaining why he chose Shouldice — a hospital in a country where single payer covers everyone and gives them free choice of physician and hospital, averaging half the price per person of the U.S. system (that still leaves over 27 million people without any insurance, and millions more underinsured) — Paul replied that Shouldice is a private hospital that “accepts Americans who pay cash.”

    But as any Canadian knows, there are many private hospitals in Canada. The single payer system means that the governments (the Provinces assisted by Ottawa) are the payer while the delivery is mostly private. Shouldice operates under the Canadian single payer system.

    In any event, Rand Paul chose the best place for hernia repair – Shouldice uses tissue repair, not the risky mesh insertion used in U.S. hospitals that has bred so much tort law litigation (see Jane Akre’s recent column). Shouldice, as reported in peer reviewed medical journals, has the lowest infection and recurrence rate in North America. It also conducts its operations, including a four-day stay at their hotel-like premises replete with gardens, at about forty percent of the price charged for the-in-and-out-in-one-day surgery prevalent at many U.S. hospitals.

    By all accounts, Senator Paul was pleased with how his operation turned out and enjoyed the food and company of his fellow patients over his four-day stay.

    So has Senator Paul changed his mind about single payer, clearly the more efficient, humane system? Canada does not have socialized medicine like the U.K. Our Canadian neighbors have a public funding, private delivery system that hugely reduces the kind of anxiety, dread, and fear afflicting Americans (see my recent column, “25 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare”). Moreover, Canadians are not subjected to arbitrary denials of care, maddening fine print complexity, co-pays, inscrutable bills often larded with fraud, and sometimes a “pay or die” drug pricing or surgery confrontation. Then there are those choice-destroying narrow networks. Americans would benefit substantially in a single payer system.

    Apparently, Dr. Paul has not budged. He was unavailable for comment to this writer.

    The other experience Senator Paul had was with the tort law or personal-injury civil justice system. While piling brush near the property boundary with his neighbor, Senator Paul was violently blind-sided, and tackled by the neighbor, Rene Boucher. Later, Boucher pleaded guilty to a criminal charge and served a 30 day prison sentence.

    The assault left Senator Paul with several broken ribs and other injuries. “I went through horrendous pain,” he said, adding that his traumas resulted in two bouts of pneumonia and fluid buildup in his lungs.

    As a physician and a U.S Senator, Rand Paul stands with the “tort deformers,” those lobbyists and lawmakers who push for legislation to restrict wrongfully injured people from adequate awards, their full day in court with trial by jury. Senator Paul specifically favored a $250,000 lifetime cap on pain and suffering no matter how serious were the injuries to the victims of medical malpractice.

    Yet when wrongfully injured, Rand Paul sued Rene Boucher under the law of torts and asked for far more money than the caps he has favored for others allow. After two hours of deliberation, a Bowling Green Kentucky jury awarded the Senator $200,000 for pain and suffering, $375,000 in punitive damages and $7,834 for medical expenses.

    Rand Paul sought justice in Kentucky’s state court and received justice for his painful wounds.

    Now let’s see whether Senator Paul opposes Kentucky Senate Bill 11, filed by state Senator Ralph Alvarado, which would amend the state constitution and repeal the present ban on the state legislature limiting jury awards.

    It is a recurring question as to whether, Senator Paul, a libertarian conservative, is willing to modify his ideology due to his real-life experiences. Our civil justice system and the Canadian health care system have provided him with significant benefits. Don’t Americans deserve the same?



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    Everybody gets to play by the current rules, that has no bearing on their desire to change them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Everybody gets to play by the current rules, that has no bearing on their desire to change them.
    Um, when Ralph Nader shovels the b.s. do you always eat it right up?

    Rand Paul's suit against Boucher was not a malpractice suit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Um, when Ralph Nader shovels the b.s. do you always eat it right up?

    Rand Paul's suit against Boucher was not a malpractice suit.
    I didn't say it was, I said the enemy's argument was invalid even if it was.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I didn't say it was, I said the enemy's argument was invalid even if it was.
    You didn't say it wasn't. You made lame excuses for Rand Paul as though he needed them.

    He isn't Trump. 3D Chess excuse making and spin are unnecessary. Next time you feel like spinning Rand up some Trumpcover, may we request you skip it (I know refraining from blathering is hard, but...) and let someone who can debunk the Nader Mendacity explain why and how the liberal is lying? Otherwise some poor, beleaguered fool might assume you actually know what you're talking about, and Rand actually needs the smokescreen to hide behind.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-11-2019 at 03:31 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You didn't say it wasn't. You made lame excuses for Rand Paul as though he needed them.

    He isn't Trump. 3D Chess excuse making and spin are unnecessary. Next time you feel like spinning Rand up some Trumpcover, may we request you skip it (I know refraining from blathering is hard, but...) and let someone who can debunk the Nader Mendacity explain why and how the liberal is lying?
    I made an even better point, the enemy can't even win with the narrative that they have chosen.

    If you want to make your point then make it, there is no reason to complain about my point.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You didn't say it wasn't. You made lame excuses for Rand Paul as though he needed them.

    He isn't Trump. 3D Chess excuse making and spin are unnecessary. Next time you feel like spinning Rand up some Trumpcover, may we request you skip it (I know refraining from blathering is hard, but...) and let someone who can debunk the Nader Mendacity explain why and how the liberal is lying? Otherwise some poor, beleaguered fool might assume you actually know what you're talking about, and Rand actually needs the smokescreen to hide behind.
    +rep.

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    I think Rand’s insurance company was actually trying to recoup their loss. It’s the way it works in the US.

    Canada’s system is not all that great. A friend of mine had to wait 6 weeks for a simple thyroid test. She was so sick she was transported by ambulance to hospital for treatment because 6 weeks was about 4 weeks too long. I could get this test tomorrow if I needed it.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi



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    But as any Canadian knows, there are many private hospitals in Canada. The single payer system means that the governments (the Provinces assisted by Ottawa) are the payer while the delivery is mostly private. Shouldice operates under the Canadian single payer system.
    The province of Ontario banned private for-profit hospitals in 1973. So there aren't that many of them. Shouldice Hospital was grandfathered in under the law. So it still operates as a private for-profit hospital. As recently as two years ago, when the Shouldice family was attempting to sell the hospital to a corporation, some were arguing to block the sale and turn it into a public hospital. It operates with the single-payer system, but not under it. Foreigners are allowed to pay cash for their care. Bottomline, Shouldice is the exception to the single-payer system. Not the rule.

    As a physician and a U.S Senator, Rand Paul stands with the “tort deformers,” those lobbyists and lawmakers who push for legislation to restrict wrongfully injured people from adequate awards, their full day in court with trial by jury. Senator Paul specifically favored a $250,000 lifetime cap on pain and suffering no matter how serious were the injuries to the victims of medical malpractice.
    Rand supports tort reform at the state level for medical malpractice. Not tort reform for deliberate violent assaults.

    Poor strawman argument.
    Last edited by revgen; 02-11-2019 at 03:28 AM.

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    $#@! you Ralph Nader and your automotive regulatory fatwas.

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    Because...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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