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Thread: Dual Citzenship and Congress

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    According to the US Constitution, all citizens have dual citizenship- that of the country and of the state they live in.

    From the Fourteenth Amendment: https://www.jurist.org/commentary/20...-constitution/
    That is not what is being discussed, don't be stupid.
    The states are members of the union, we are discussing those who hold OUTSIDE citizenship.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I would like to see this enacted just for the dramatic reactions that would ensue from all the anti-semites when they see that their belief that every Jew in Congress holds Israeli citizenship turns out to be a myth. I imagine that they would continue to believe that they do still hold Israeli citizenship, and would chalk up the failure to report this to some kind of conspiracy.
    Unfortunately Israel makes them all eligible for instant citizenship any time they want to move there so whatever your opinion about them people will still suspect that their true loyalty is to Israel.

    And why should we not suspect that? They certainly vote as if it were true.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    My comment from another thread on the subject:
    My reply in that thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Some "foreigners" are more distant geographically, culturally and share fewer interests than others.

    Your point is a good one however, we do need separation from some of those representatives and their constituents but that doesn't change the problem that this is intended to deal with.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Unfortunately Israel makes them all eligible for instant citizenship any time they want to move there so whatever your opinion about them people will still suspect that their true loyalty is to Israel.

    And why should we not suspect that? They certainly vote as if it were true.
    Eligible for citizenship does not equal citizenship.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Eligible for citizenship does not equal citizenship.
    I didn't say it was but when all they have to do is fly there and claim it then it is almost the same thing.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I didn't say it was but when all they have to do is fly there and claim it then it is almost the same thing.
    I know. I don't think I've ever seen you say something like that.

    But claims about some outrageous number of occupants of high office in America being citizens of Israel area commonly made here without any evidence to support them. Those who want to believe that see the distinction between citizenship and mere eligibility for citizenship as a minor detail not worth noticing.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    My reply in that thread:
    Which doesn't really contradict anything I said.

    I'm just not as liberal about the issue as you are ...
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I know. I don't think I've ever seen you say something like that.

    But claims about some outrageous number of occupants of high office in America being citizens of Israel area commonly made here without any evidence to support them. Those who want to believe that see the distinction between citizenship and mere eligibility for citizenship as a minor detail not worth noticing.
    You should support the petition to reveal how many actually have Israeli citizenship in order to have the truth revealed.

    And when the citizenship can be claimed by simply traveling there and accepting it the difference between holding it and being eligible for it is minimal.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Dual citizenship should not be allowed at all. Anyone with another citizenship clearly hates America and should be treated as the traitors that they are.
    Being able to vote in two different countries is pretty cool tho.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by dillo View Post
    Does the constitution permit someone who has a citizenship in a foreign country to serve in congress? Is ones foreign citizenship publicly available?
    I believe so.

    Cruz and Bachman were duel citizens until they ran for President and I'm fairly certain Schumer holds duel citizenship with Israel.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I believe so.

    Cruz and Bachman were duel citizens until they ran for President and I'm fairly certain Schumer holds duel citizenship with Israel.
    Canada considered Cruz Canadian since he was born there. The US considered him American since his parents were. Bachman married a Swiss national and says she took Swiss Citizenship (in addition to her US citizenship) because her kids said they wanted dual citizenship. Both Cruz and Bachman gave up their second citizenship when the issue was raised. Schumer is Jewish but I can't find anything reliable confirming that he has any dual citizenship. He was born in Brooklyn and I can't even find any indications he ever lived outside of New York other than when he went to Harvard.


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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I believe so.

    Cruz and Bachman were duel citizens until they ran for President and I'm fairly certain Schumer holds duel citizenship with Israel.
    I think Satan also claims Schumer.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I think Satan also claims Schumer.
    Satan holds dominion over all democrats. Most republicans too, but definitely 100% of all democrats.
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Satan holds dominion over all demoncrats. Most republicans too, but definitely 100% of all demoncrats.
    Fixed it.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I am what is commonly referred to as an "American" (and so were my forebears going back at least several generations, so far as I know) - but I haven't "sworn and represent[ed]" to or for any such things, so I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say "as you do (assuming you're [A]merican)".



    He does if he becomes an "American" citizen ("dually" or otherwise) and then becomes a "public official" or "elected representative" in Connecticut (which is exactly the condition I specified in my remarks).

    And if some "Mayflower" Connecticutter thinks he has any right to dictate to me or mine, even though he lives nowhere near me and is in no way a part of my home or community, then he can go pound the same sand as the Azerbaijani Connecticutter can - and I don't give a damn what flag or document either one of them cares to fetishize. They're both foreign interlopers as far as I'm concerned, and they should just butt the hell out of my business (as I should do for them and others in Connecticut).
    Iím not really seeing your point, Iím not arguing a person from a different country cannot become American, I am however implying that dual loyalties are real and dangerous.

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