Gallup: Five Million Latin Americans Coming to U.S. in Next 12 Months

[Swordsmyth]

My bad I thought you'd be flattered or just admit that you and zippy were the same
poster, just playing darts,,,,,sorry.
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Ok so, then , mmm, lets see, you didn't call for 'open borders' .
I didn't call for 'standing armies' , ''now we have something we can agree on''
How are you going, I mean how in the hell are you going to keep out disease ridden felons, rapists, murderers,
terrorists, ms13 and drug traffickers merely by cutting all incentives (something I've called for a million times)?

You can't even keep out the leeches by just eliminating government handouts, they would still come here to partake of our prosperity and then vote for handouts.

[Stratovarious]

... We have adequate protection. ....

That is complete blsht zippy.

[CCTelander]

Nobody wants to kill you but if you continue to give aid and comfort to the enemy that wants to kill and enslave us that may change when the collapse comes.

That sounds very much like a threat. Perhaps you need to step back a bit and compose yourself, before you say something truly unfortunate that gets you into trouble.

[Zippyjuan]

My bad I thought you'd be flattered or just admit that you and zippy were the same
poster, just playing darts,,,,,sorry.
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Ok so, then , mmm, lets see, you didn't call for 'open borders' .
I didn't call for 'standing armies' , ''now we have something we can agree on''
How are you going, I mean how in the hell are you going to keep out disease ridden felons, rapists, murderers,
terrorists, ms13 and drug traffickers merely by cutting all incentives (something I've called for a million times)?

Chart is immigrant border crossing arrests. Down considerably- not a surging crisis. https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01...each-the-mfer/

[Swordsmyth]

WE MUST REPEL THE INVADERS!

Too late. They're already here.

ALL THE MORE REASON TO KEEP THEM FROM COMING IN!!!1!!

We will have a hard enough time expelling them, letting them send for reinforcements would be insane.

[Swordsmyth]

That sounds very much like a threat. Perhaps you need to step back a bit and compose yourself, before you say something truly unfortunate that gets you into trouble.

That is not a threat, I don't want to kill any Americans if I can keep my freedom without it but there are people who will want to kill those who collaborate with the invaders when the collapse comes.

If either the invaders or the resistance end up killing you then you can't say you weren't warned.

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason.

[Anti Federalist]

Running out of arguments I see. You keep repeating the same talking points from your guidebook. "Invasion." "Hordes". "commies".

What argument?

Clearly, if you allow an invading demographic, hostile your customs, traditions, institutions, values and ideals, to overwhelm and displace you, you will end up a second class citizen in that nation that was once yours.

Just ask the American Indians.

There's no argument there, that's a matter of historical fact.

The only "argument" is between people who see what is front of their eyes, and people that tell them what they are seeing is all wrong, we're reading it all wrong.

Just like murderous government agents said at Waco: "This is NOT an Assault!!!" as they, assaulted and burned out, shot and killed men, women and children with tanks, snipers and automatic weapons fire.

[acptulsa]

We will have a hard enough time expelling them, letting them send for reinforcements would be insane.

If we run around swatting at the reinforcements, we won't have time to deal with the core problem. And if we never deal with the core problem, the core problem will never stop sending for reinforcements.

[Stratovarious]

You can't even keep out the leeches by just eliminating government handouts, they would still come here to partake of our prosperity and then vote for handouts.

No you can't , so true.

[Stratovarious]

Chart is immigrant border crossing arrests. Down considerably- not a surging crisis. https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01...each-the-mfer/

lmao
8 years of 'standing down' under Obama lowered
border crossing arrests.

[Zippyjuan]

lmao
8 years of 'standing down' under Obama lowered
border crossing arrests.

Decline started under Bush- not Obama. (actually Obama was tough on the border too- he did not "stand down"). Obama took office in January 2009. And despite higher forces, they have not roared back under Trump.

[Swordsmyth]

If we run around swatting at the reinforcements, we won't have time to deal with the core problem. And if we never deal with the core problem, the core problem will never stop sending for reinforcements.

We can cut off the reinforcements and deal with the core problem.
We will lose if we don't stop the reinforcements, we are close to losing because people like you have interfered with our attempts to do either.

[Swordsmyth]

Decline started under Bush- not Obama. (actually Obama was tough on the border too- he did not "stand down"). Obama took office in January 2009. And despite higher forces, they have not roared back under Trump.

Bush was a friend of illegals too.

[Stratovarious]

If we run around swatting at the reinforcements, we won't have time to deal with the core problem. And if we never deal with the core problem, the core problem will never stop sending for reinforcements.

Your solution?

[Zippyjuan]

Bush was a friend of illegals too.

He built the most miles of walls.

[Stratovarious]

Decline started under Bush- not Obama. (actually Obama was tough on the border too- he did not "stand down"). Obama took office in January 2009. And despite higher forces, they have not roared back under Trump.

Great , Bush/Obama ,
now what zippy/.///

[Stratovarious]

He built the most miles of walls.

Obama spent 12 billion in one year on border security , so what zippy.........

[acptulsa]

You can't even keep out the leeches by just eliminating government handouts, they would still come here to partake of our prosperity and then vote for handouts.

So eliminating the core problem won't work, and eliminating the bait that's luring them won't work, so we prevent the totalitarianism by temporarily setting up a police state, and then resign ourselves to the police state being permanent?

Is that the jist of your spam?

Your solution?

Eliminate the bait, fix the core problem, and don't listen to people who want a permanent police state.

[Swordsmyth]

He built the most miles of walls.

That doesn't change the fact that he tried to keep the Border Patrol from stopping the illegals.

[Zippyjuan]

When you have a nice place, people will want to come here. Want people to not come? Make it into the worst stinkhole. Or move to a deserted island where you can live with only people exactly like yourself.

The whole issue is to stir up fears to allow for an expansion of government powers.

[Swordsmyth]

So eliminating the core problem won't work, and eliminating the bait that's luring them won't work, so we prevent the totalitarianism by temporarily setting up a police state, and then resign ourselves to the police state being permanent?

Is that the jist of your spam?

I didn't say any of that.

[Swordsmyth]

When you have a nice place, people will want to come here. Want people to not come? Make it into the worst stinkhole. Or move to a deserted island where you can live with only people exactly like yourself.

Or we can put up a wall or hire guards.

Failure to do so will mean that nobody can ever have a nice place, the leeches would follow us to the island.

[Stratovarious]

Irony- Calling for a bigger police state to prevent a bigger police state.

How does protecting our borders equate to a police state?

[acptulsa]

I didn't say any of that.

You post your spin so fast you don't even have time to go back and see what you said.

[Swordsmyth]

Eliminate the bait, fix the core problem, and don't listen to people who want a permanent police state.

Do you propose to eliminate prosperity?
How do you propose to fix the core problem? (especially if the enemy is allowed to import as many reinforcements as they want)
Nobody wants a permanent police state.

[Stratovarious]

So eliminating the core problem won't work, and eliminating the bait that's luring them won't work, so we prevent the totalitarianism by temporarily setting up a police state, and then resign ourselves to the police state being permanent?

Is that the jist of your spam?



Eliminate the bait, fix the core problem, and don't listen to people who want a permanent police state.

That's not a solution , why not let us in on your solution, it might be helpful.

[Swordsmyth]

You post your spin so fast you don't even have time to go back and see what you said.

I know exactly what I said and it wasn't any of that.

You are either a deliberate liar or you are so crazy that you see things that aren't there.

[Zippyjuan]

How does protecting our borders equate to a police state?

Border Patrol is a police force. They are part of the police state. And they don't just work at the border. Then can have checkpoints as far as 200 miles inland. They also check transportation- train, bus, airports. They can randomly stop and search people- including US citizens. Those guys groping you at the airport? They also work for Homeland Security. Gotta protect you from them ferriners! It's for your own good.

[Stratovarious]

Border Patrol is a police force. They are part of the police state. And they don't just work at the border. Then can have checkpoints as far as 200 miles inland. They also check transportation- train, bus, airports. They can randomly stop and search people. Those guys groping you at the airport? They also work for Homeland Security.

This has nothing at all to do with your statement, and my response;
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Originally Posted by Zippyjuan Irony- Calling for a bigger police state to prevent a bigger police state.
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How does protecting our borders equate to a police state?

[acptulsa]

Do you propose to eliminate prosperity?
How do you propose to fix the core problem? (especially if the enemy is allowed to import as many reinforcements as they want)
Nobody wants a permanent police state.

Prosperity? You're against prosperity?

If we had true prosperity, nobody would be worried about immigrants undercutting their wages.