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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    If you believe they can do that, then it was disingenuous for you to pretend you have any interest at all in free markets.
    Human Trafficking is not 'free market' .



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Which of these is your position?
    a) We should only prevent those who, like her, think we should fear them and their kind, from entering the USA. But those who do not think like that should be allowed to enter, in which case, their being from Latin America should not even be considered among the criteria of allowing them to enter.
    b) We should exclude all of them, whether they agree with her or not, in which case, holding that belief really has nothing to do with it.
    c) We should exclude all of them, because they're all the same. They are not individuals, but a collective, and she speaks for all of them. To be a person who wants to immigrate to the USA from Latin America is to be a person who thinks we should fear them.
    We should refuse anyone that is not absolutely in love with America in every way.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    And who's job is it to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?
    Who's job is immigration?

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Human Trafficking is not 'free market' .
    Human trafficking is not the issue. To the extent that you're talking about kidnapping, it can and should remain banned. This does not require restricting the immigration of those who aren't engaged in that.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-10-2019 at 06:41 PM.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Who's job is immigration?
    I don't understand how that question fits the conversation, unless you left some words out.

    Immigration is the job of whoever does the immigrating.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    We should refuse anyone that is not absolutely in love with America in every way.
    Are you absolutely in love with America in every way?

    Do you really think the federal government should be in charge of deciding what it means to be in love with America in every way, and judging us all to see if we make its cut?

    What means should the federal government use to accomplish that? And even if you believe some way of measuring that exists, do you trust it with that responsibility?

    There are countries where the government does that kind of thing. They are not bastions of freedom.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I don't understand how that question fits the conversation, unless you left some words out.

    Immigration is the job of whoever does the immigrating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    And who's job is it to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?
    There you go.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I don't understand how that question fits the conversation, unless you left some words out.

    Immigration is the job of whoever does the immigrating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    And who's job is it to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Are you absolutely in love with America in every way?

    Do you really think the federal government should be in charge of deciding what it means to be in love with America in every way, and judging us all to see if we make its cut?

    What means should the federal government use to accomplish that? And even if you believe some way of measuring that exists, do you trust it with that responsibility?

    There are countries where the government does that kind of thing. They are not bastions of freedom.
    ''that depends on what the meaning of is is.''

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Human trafficking is not the issue. To the extent that you're talking about kidnapping, it can and should remain banned. This does not require restricting the immigration of those who aren't engaged in that.
    Human trafficking means a lot of things today, and in this context it means
    human trafficking for votes, liberal votes. Liberals will go to any links to saturate America
    with welfare sucking votes.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    There you go.
    So you're repeating back to me my question of whose job it is to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?

    If so, then the answer is each of us as individuals answer that for ourselves, and nobody else. This is just as true when it comes to economic exchanges involved in immigration as it is in every other economic exchange. If I decide that I want to employ laborers who come from Latin America because of the benefit that I can pay less for the same amount of productivity from them than I can from others, then that's my decision alone, and it's my right to welcome them onto my property. Central planners are totally incapable of managing the economy according to the evaluations of benefit that can only be made by each individual actor for themselves.

    This truth is the very essence of the purpose of this website.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-10-2019 at 07:58 PM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    ''that depends on what the meaning of is is.''
    It's conspicuous how you avoid answering my questions.

  15. #42
    It is an invasion, this is exactly how ancient tribes used to invade eachother, they just move themselves and their families into the territory and started using the resources of the other tribe.
    Wow! And all this time, I had always thought it had been done with things like arrows and spears. They must have been trying to steal the other tribes' welfare cards and jobs, there couldn't be any other possibilities!

    You can contemplate your navel while hostile foreigners impose tyranny and begin genocide against your neighbors, friends and family if you want but they will come for you too in the end.
    An excellent example of the fearmongering and divisive language from this particular poster. I remember when the muslim fanatics were the hostile foreigners out to impose their genocidal tyranny against us, our neighbors, and families. They must have all moved to the Latin American countries and become socialists!
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Wow! And all this time, I had always thought it had been done with things like arrows and spears.
    They brought weapons with them and so do our current invaders, they can also get them after they arrive because we are stupid enough to allow them in without resistance unlike the ancient tribes.



    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    An excellent example of the fearmongering and divisive language from this particular poster. I remember when the muslim fanatics were the hostile foreigners out to impose their genocidal tyranny against us, our neighbors, and families. They must have all moved to the Latin American countries and become socialists!
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Wow! And all this time, I had always thought it had been done with things like arrows and spears. They must have been trying to steal the other tribes' welfare cards and jobs, there couldn't be any other possibilities!
    Their weapons are damnable pity and smug self righteousness.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Their weapons are damnable pity and smug self righteousness.
    And a treasonous collaborating government.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump & Democrats Near Agreement on DACA




    Do you agree with Breitbart narrative that MAGA and Dems are working as team on this issue?

    Also Brietbart seems to be going back to its roots, lately it had become bit moderate. Wonder if conservative base rockstar Steve Bannon is back at helm of Breitbart.




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    I mean, if it makes you feel better...
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    This is pretty close to a resignation from Trump. Time to start looking seriously for a 2020 presidential candidate, IMO. Even if he's not leaving now, he will be after his present term is finished. He's done, stick a fork in 'em!

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Trump & Democrats Near Agreement on DACA




    Do you agree with Breitbart narrative that MAGA and Dems are working as team on this issue?

    Also Brietbart seems to be going back to its roots, lately it had become bit moderate. Wonder if conservative base rockstar Steve Bannon is back at helm of Breitbart.




    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6733646
    Breitbart is wrong, if there was going to be a deal it would have happened already.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    So you're repeating back to me my question of whose job it is to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?

    If so, then the answer is each of us as individuals answer that for ourselves, and nobody else. This is just as true when it comes to economic exchanges involved in immigration as it is in every other economic exchange. If I decide that I want to employ laborers who come from Latin America because of the benefit that I can pay less for the same amount of productivity from them than I can from others, then that's my decision alone, and it's my right to welcome them onto my property. Central planners are totally incapable of managing the economy according to the evaluations of benefit that can only be made by each individual actor for themselves.

    This truth is the very essence of the purpose of this website.


    Originally Posted by Superfluous Man I don't understand how that question fits the conversation, unless you left some words out.

    Immigration is the job of whoever does the immigrating.

    Originally Posted by Superfluous Man
    And who's job is it to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    So you're repeating back to me my question of whose job it is to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?

    If so, then the answer is each of us as individuals answer that for ourselves, and nobody else. This is just as true when it comes to economic exchanges involved in immigration as it is in every other economic exchange. If I decide that I want to employ laborers who come from Latin America because of the benefit that I can pay less for the same amount of productivity from them than I can from others, then that's my decision alone, and it's my right to welcome them onto my property. Central planners are totally incapable of managing the economy according to the evaluations of benefit that can only be made by each individual actor for themselves.

    This truth is the very essence of the purpose of this website.
    You can move to Latin America and employ them there, this is a free country, yes , freedom.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    You can move to Latin America and employ them there, this is a free country, yes , freedom.
    It's also my right to employ them here on property that I rightfully own and the government does not, or to sell or rent my property to them, or to welcome them on it as guest for whatever reason I want, as long as I'm not violating anyone else's rights. The decisions of what constitutes a benefit to me in any of those things is mine to make, not the government's.

    Every other person in America has these same rights with their property. If some of us want to welcome these people onto our properties, and others don't want to welcome them onto theirs, then those who don't want to welcome them shouldn't have to, but only with respect to their own privately owned property. They don't have a moral license to impose their wills on the rest of us, and the properties that we, and not they, own.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Originally Posted by Superfluous Man I don't understand how that question fits the conversation, unless you left some words out.

    Immigration is the job of whoever does the immigrating.

    Originally Posted by Superfluous Man
    And who's job is it to decide what constitutes a benefit and measure that for us?
    If what I wrote in post 40 didn't answer your question, then I still can't figure out what you're trying to say here.

    Why not just ask whatever your question is without leaving any words out?

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Wow! And all this time, I had always thought it had been done with things like arrows and spears. They must have been trying to steal the other tribes' welfare cards and jobs, there couldn't be any other possibilities!



    An excellent example of the fearmongering and divisive language from this particular poster. I remember when the
    muslim fanatics were the hostile foreigners out to impose their genocidal tyranny against us, our neighbors, and families. They must have all moved to the Latin American countries and become socialists!
    "...we will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade
    the United States. We will bury you from within''
    Khrushchev 1956

    The concept applies today;
    America can be destroyed via illegal-alien disease, gangs, un ending influx of welfare grabbers, resource thieves,
    terrorists, and worst of all; communist, blood-sucking, socialist-liberals.
    -
    Muslim Fanatics still are the enemy, their mission like Judaism is to rule over earth, Muslims vow
    genocide on' Christians , and they do just that.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    It's also my right to employ them here on property that I rightfully own and the government does not, or to sell or rent my property to them, or to welcome them on it as guest for whatever reason I want, as long as I'm not violating anyone else's rights. The decisions of what constitutes a benefit to me in any of those things is mine to make, not the government's.

    Every other person in America has these same rights with their property. If some of us want to welcome these people onto our properties, and others don't want to welcome them onto theirs, then those who don't want to welcome them shouldn't have to, but only with respect to their own privately owned property. They don't have a moral license to impose their wills on the rest of us, and the properties that we, and not they, own.
    Then marry them. Should make the process smooth as silk.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    It's also my right to employ them here on property that I rightfully own and the government does not, or to sell or rent my property to them, or to welcome them on it as guest for whatever reason I want, as long as I'm not violating anyone else's rights. The decisions of what constitutes a benefit to me in any of those things is mine to make, not the government's.

    Every other person in America has these same rights with their property. If some of us want to welcome these people onto our properties, and others don't want to welcome them onto theirs, then those who don't want to welcome them shouldn't have to, but only with respect to their own privately owned property. They don't have a moral license to impose their wills on the rest of us, and the properties that we, and not they, own.

    You plan to keep them in cages or keep them on your property do you?

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    If what I wrote in post 40 didn't answer your question, then I still can't figure out what you're trying to say here.

    Why not just ask whatever your question is without leaving any words out?
    I have not Führer questions at this point.


  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Then marry them. Should make the process smooth as silk.
    I doubt that. By my observation, the government doesn't make working legally in America smooth as silk for anyone. But even if so, if you believe what you have claimed to believe, you shouldn't think that the government should place stipulations like that on my right to hire whomever I want.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-11-2019 at 06:52 AM.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    You plan to keep them in cages or keep them on your property do you?
    No. I would let them leave freely and let other property owners, whose properties are none of my business, decide if they want to allow them on their properties. Once they're not on my property, I have no right to impose my will on others. Neither do you, or anyone else.

    If you don't want them on your property, you shouldn't be forced to let them be on it. But outside the limits of your own property, you no longer have any legitimate say over whether they should be allowed anywhere else.

  33. #58
    ICE has been running dragnet checkpoints in Charlotte the last couple weeks, without local police involved or even notified. People are starting to get pissed off and some ugly videos of confrontations have started coming out. Do we really want federal agents running checkpoints on residential streets in neighborhoods?? That's a really bad precedent to support, given history of what happens when large segments of the population supports such things.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-11-2019 at 06:54 AM.
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I doubt that. By my observation, the government doesn't make working legally in America smooth as silk for anyone. But even if so, if you believe what you have claimed to believe, you shouldn't think that the government should place stipulations like that on my right to hire whomever I want.
    Move to China , hire millions, do it with Uncle Sam's blessings, no immigration nightmares.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, this woman is in the vanguard of the invaders.

    She says we are right to be afraid of her and her kind.

    Why?



    I'm being told I'm a racist, fascist, freedom hating, forum wrecking, scumbag because I don't want New England (or the rest of the country for that matter, although many places are too far gone) to become New Ghana or New Honduras.

    So, change my mind.

    Why is this Velazquez broad full of $#@!? (A member of Congress by the way. What do you supposes the reaction would be if a white congresscritter said that?)

    Why is she lying about it then, if she is not being truthful?

    Why do I have have nothing to fear from her and her kind that she claims to be speaking for by saying "us"?
    What do "they" have in store for "us" that we should be afraid of?

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