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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If it happens "all the time" you should have no troubles finding them. But I understand. You did your best.
    I don't have to fetch when you command, you yourself posted the maps that show which parts of the border have barriers and which don't.
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  3. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't have to fetch when you command, you yourself posted the maps that show which parts of the border have barriers and which don't.
    True. You don't back up claims with facts all that often- just toss out a few cliches. "Commies!" "Hordes!" "Invasion!" I am the one who does that.

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  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    True. You don't back up claims with facts all that often- just toss out a few cliches. I am the one who does that.

    Be afwaid! Gobernment will save you!
    LOL
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  5. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Every wave of immigrants has been more socialist than the last because the rest of the world has got more socialist at a faster rate than America did.
    Immigration causes socialism, but the U.S. allows more, yet becomes more socialist more slowly.

    Hmmm...
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    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
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    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  6. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Immigration causes socialism, but the U.S. allows more, yet becomes more socialist more slowly.

    Hmmm...
    LOL

    Where did I say the only cause of socialism was immigration?
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  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Clearly, if you allow an invading demographic, hostile your customs, traditions, institutions, values and ideals, to overwhelm and displace you, you will end up a second class citizen in that nation that was once yours.
    Why would you think that protecting customs, traditions, institutions, values, and ideals is a legitimate function of government? Is that in the Constitution somewhere? Aren't people supposed to be free to decide what customs, traditions, institutions, values, and ideals they have for themselves, as individuals? Why would you attempt to argue that those things should be decided on a collective basis, isn't that a socialist argument?
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  10. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Why would you think that protecting customs, traditions, institutions, values, and ideals is a legitimate function of government? Is that in the Constitution somewhere? Aren't people supposed to be free to decide what customs, traditions, institutions, values, and ideals they have for themselves, as individuals? Why would you attempt to argue that those things should be decided on a collective basis, isn't that a socialist argument?
    Government should make everybody the same. Wait- that would be communism.


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  11. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    Why would you think that protecting customs, traditions, institutions, values, and ideals is a legitimate function of government? Is that in the Constitution somewhere? Aren't people supposed to be free to decide what customs, traditions, institutions, values, and ideals they have for themselves, as individuals? Why would you attempt to argue that those things should be decided on a collective basis, isn't that a socialist argument?
    Liberty is custom, a tradition, a value and an ideal.

    The legitimate function of government is to protect liberty.

    You argument that people must be given the freedom to violate our liberty would be funny if it wasn't so deadly serious.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Government should make everybody the same. Wait- that would be communism.
    Government should protect everyone's rights from those who wish to violate them, that's freedom.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  13. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    LOL
    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  14. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty is custom, a tradition, a value and an ideal.

    The legitimate function of government is to protect liberty.

    You argument that people must be given the freedom to violate our liberty would be funny if it wasn't so deadly serious.
    More cliches but,

    Liberty means you are free to practice your own values, customs, and ideals. And others can practice theirs. If everybody must have the same ideals and customs, that isn't liberty.

    If your values are true, somebody else cannot take them from you.

    What if a government decided that you were the one with the wrong ideals and wanted you to change to join the crowd? Would you be calling that liberty?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2019 at 05:41 PM.


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  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Liberty means you are free to practice your own values, customs, and ideals. If everybody must have the same ideals and customs, that isn't liberty.

    If your values are true, somebody else cannot take them from you.
    That's the joke.

  16. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Liberty means you are free to practice your own values, customs, and ideals. If everybody must have the same ideals and customs, that isn't liberty.

    If your values are true, somebody else cannot take them from you.
    Liberty means liberty, it doesn't mean you are free to practice tyranny.

    Do you even read what you type?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  18. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    My bad I thought you'd be flattered or just admit that you and zippy were the same
    poster, just playing darts,,,,,sorry.
    -
    Ok so, then , mmm, lets see, you didn't call for 'open borders' .
    I didn't call for 'standing armies' , ''now we have something we can agree on''
    How are you going, I mean how in the hell are you going to keep out disease ridden felons, rapists, murderers,
    terrorists, ms13 and drug traffickers merely by cutting all incentives (something I've called for a million times)?
    Well, lessee.......

    End the WoD.
    End the WoT.
    FREE TRADE.

    And voila!

    I know, I know, it all equals rocket science.
    There is no spoon.

  19. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty means liberty, it doesn't mean you are free to practice tyranny.

    Do you even read what you type?
    (more cliches) You want tyranny to restrict those who are different from you. That is not liberty.


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    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  20. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    (more cliches) You want tyranny to restrict those who are different from you. That is not liberty.
    LOL

    The definition of liberty is that people are prevented from engaging in tyranny and I absolutely want government to restrict people from engaging in tyranny.

    Did you skip your meds today?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Well, lessee.......

    End the WoD.
    End the WoT.
    FREE TRADE.

    And voila!

    I know, I know, it all equals rocket science.
    That isn't enough, they would still come for the prosperity and vote for the socialism that would destroy it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    More cliches but,

    Liberty means you are free to practice your own values, customs, and ideals. And others can practice theirs. If everybody must have the same ideals and customs, that isn't liberty.

    If your values are true, somebody else cannot take them from you.

    What if a government decided that you were the one with the wrong ideals and wanted you to change to join the crowd? Would you be calling that liberty?
    Liberty is liberty, government enforcing it is a good thing, government failing to enforce it and suppressing it is a bad thing.

    Morality isn't relative, I am right and my enemies are wrong, the legitimate purpose of government is to impose right against wrong on this subject.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  23. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Well, lessee.......

    End the WoD.
    End the WoT.
    FREE TRADE.

    And voila!

    I know, I know, it all equals rocket science.
    Do you have a phobia of sentences, and is your world all acronyms....:facepalm:

  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Well, lessee.......

    End the WoD.
    End the WoT.
    FREE TRADE.

    And voila!

    I know, I know, it all equals rocket science.
    How are you going to keep out disease ridden felons, rapists, murderers,
    terrorists, ms13 and drug traffickers merely by cutting all incentives ?
    Your gibberish is not a solution to the question.

  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty is liberty, government enforcing it is a good thing, government failing to enforce it and suppressing it is a bad thing.

    Morality isn't relative, I am right and my enemies are wrong, the legitimate purpose of government is to impose right against wrong on this subject.
    More cliches but- "I am right and my enemies are wrong" is used to justify tyranny.

    the legitimate purpose of government is to impose right against wrong on this subject
    That isn't liberty. The Communists were good at that.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2019 at 05:56 PM.


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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Do you have a phobia of sentences, and is your world all acronyms....:facepalm:
    Do you have a phobia of acronyms?

  28. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Do you have a phobia of acronyms?
    fo troll

  29. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    More cliches but- "I am right and my enemies are wrong" is used to justify tyranny.



    That isn't liberty. The Communists were good at that.
    You are the moron trying to justify tyranny by gutting the definition of liberty.

    There is and can be no such thing as the freedom to engage in tyranny.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  30. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    How are you going to keep out disease ridden felons, rapists, murderers,
    terrorists, ms13 and drug traffickers merely by cutting all incentives ?
    Your gibberish is not a solution to the question.
    How is he going to cut all incentives without destroying prosperity?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  31. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    No, that's only what those in power would like everyone to think, and the racists are only their useful idiots.
    Useful idiots? Really.

    A very real problem, one that does not get the attention it ought to get is, we have domestic enemies, mostly socialists and communists, who are hard at work to destroy American and the flame of freedom it represents. They have realized they cannot overpower America by force and have resorted to other tactics to destroy us, one tactic is to flood our country with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, disease carrying and criminal populations of other countries.


    Make no mistake. There is a very real war taking place on American soil.


    JWK


    There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the countryís existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

  32. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How is he going to cut all incentives without destroying prosperity?
    I'm not sure I follow?
    You mean like turn the country into sht to stop attracting an influx of illegals
    and ruin the country?
    Could you elaborate.....

  33. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are the moron trying to justify tyranny by gutting the definition of liberty.

    There is and can be no such thing as the freedom to engage in tyranny.
    If you can't rape the willing than it's not rape if they are consenting to big government...

  34. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are the moron trying to justify tyranny by gutting the definition of liberty.

    There is and can be no such thing as the freedom to engage in tyranny.
    You need a new playbook with more accurate definitions (assuming that being factual is actually a goal for you).

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberty

    Definition of liberty (Entry 1 of 2)
    1 : the quality or state of being free:
    a : the power to do as one pleases
    b : freedom from physical restraint
    c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic (see DESPOT sense 1) control
    d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges
    e : the power of choice


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