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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    This has nothing at all to do with your statement, and my response;
    -
    Originally Posted by Zippyjuan Irony- Calling for a bigger police state to prevent a bigger police state.
    -

    How does protecting our borders equate to a police state?
    Answered.


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  3. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Answered.


    Originally Posted by Zippyjuan Irony- Calling for a bigger police state to prevent a bigger police state.
    -

    How does protecting our borders equate to a police state?

  4. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Prosperity? You're against prosperity?
    Prosperity is the primary bait, you said to eliminate the bait.
    Do you propose to eliminate prosperity?

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    If we had true prosperity, nobody would be worried about immigrants undercutting their wages.
    But we would still complain about invaders imposing a communist regime.


    How do you propose to fix the core problem? (especially if the enemy is allowed to import as many reinforcements as they want)
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  5. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Originally Posted by Zippyjuan Irony- Calling for a bigger police state to prevent a bigger police state.
    -

    How does protecting our borders equate to a police state?
    I think your computer/ phone is stuck. It keeps posting the same thing.


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  7. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I think your computer/ phone is stuck. It keeps posting the same thing.
    His and Swordshyll's too.

    Must be the same brand as yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  8. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    His and Swordshyll's too.

    Must be the same brand as yours.
    "stick with the script".


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  9. #187
    Make the wall with 5g cell towers, it probably lights people up like flash lights because the frequencies it uses. They can probably even cook people with microwaves if they try to go over the border with some radio frequencies.

  10. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    "stick with the script".
    You'd know the marching orders better than I. I don't have a script.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Prosperity is the primary bait, you said to eliminate the bait.
    Welfare looks like prosperity to some. But true prosperity doesn't happen in the presence of more government. It only happens where there is less government. Wilson and Harding proved this a century ago.

    Once people have tasted true prosperity, it's going to be popular enough that it'll take them another hundred years to boil the frogs again. As Coolidge noted, even newcomers raised on totalitarianism will reject it, rather than rock the boat. Two hundred mile Constitution-free police state zones won't accomplish that.

    Problem - reaction - "solution" doesn't work where there's no problem. Without a big federal government, where are the problems going to come from?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-11-2019 at 04:23 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  11. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You'd know the marching orders better than I. I don't have a script.



    Welfare looks like prosperity to some. But true prosperity doesn't happen in the presence of more government. It only happens where there is less government. Wilson and Harding proved this a century ago.

    Once people have tasted true prosperity, it's going to be popular enough that it'll take them another hundred years to boil the frogs again. As Coolidge noted, even newcomers raised on totalitarianism will reject it, rather than rock the boat. Two hundred mile Constitution-free police state zones won't accomplish that.

    Problem - reaction - "solution" doesn't work where there's no problem. Without a big federal government, where are the problems going to come from?
    It takes time for people to learn what caused the prosperity, if you allow an unlimited number of them to come all at once they will destroy it before they understand it.

    Coolidge knew that and tightened immigration controls.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  12. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You'd know the marching orders better than I. I don't have a script.
    I don't either. But the theme seems to be to promote fear and division.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2019 at 04:32 PM.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post

    Problem - reaction - "solution" doesn't work where there's no problem.
    In what universe do you think that foreign national trespassers, being able to come unfettered, is not a threat?

  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    In what universe do you think that foreign national trespassers, being able to come unfettered, is not a threat?
    Let's just give the government more money that will make them do their jobs.



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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    In what universe do you think that foreign national trespassers, being able to come unfettered, is not a threat?
    So anybody can just stroll across the border "unfettered"?



    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It takes time for people to learn what caused the prosperity, if you allow an unlimited number of them to come all at once they will destroy it before they understand it.

    Coolidge knew that and tightened immigration controls.
    Congress wrote that bill, and you have no idea what deals Coolidge might have made before he signed it.

    He did understand the problem, but he didn't for a second think it couldn't be overcome.

    'There are among us a great mass of people who have been reared for generations under a government of tyranny and oppression. It is ingrained in their blood that there is no other form of government. They are disposed and inclined to think our institutions partake of the same nature as these they have left behind. We know they are wrong. They must be shown they are wrong.'--Calvin Coolidge
    The problem we have today isn't what the immigrants don't know. It's what Americans don't know. They can all learn the truth at once, if we could only demonstrate it.

    That's a higher calling for libertarians than creating walled-in police states hunting people without papers.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Let's just give the government more money that will make them do their jobs.
    Did I say that? How about lessening government? Let me go down to this particular house, that is along a particularly idyllic road leading to and from home. The one that has been leased out to foreign national trespassers, and subsequently turned into a third world $#@! hole. The one wherein the trash blows away from the yard, down the hill, onto formerly idyllic road and gets spread up and down it by passing cars for a quarter of a mile in each direction. Let me go in with a couple of friends, neighbors, concerned citizens, point guns at the $#@!ers and tell them there kind isn't welcome here. And if they don't listen burn them out. Their anarchist landlord be damned.
    Will that work?

  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Congress wrote that bill, and you have no idea what deals Coolidge might have made before he signed it.

    He did understand the problem, but he didn't for a second think it couldn't be overcome.



    The problem we have today isn't what the immigrants don't know. It's what Americans don't know. They can all learn the truth at once, if we could only demonstrate it.

    That's a higher calling for libertarians than creating walled-in police states hunting people without papers.
    LOL

    YOU CAN'T CONVERT THEM AS FAST AS THEY CAN COME, THAT IS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.
    WE CAN'T EVEN CONVERT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE BEEN RAISED IN A CULTURE THAT GIVES LIP SERVICE TO LIBERTY AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

    Coolidge was not insane and he wasn't cutting deals.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So anybody can just stroll across the border "unfettered"?

    Not everywhere along the border is like that.

    They just walk across or even drive across in many places.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So anybody can just stroll across the border "unfettered"?

    WTF? Are you just a straight out simpleton? I'm honestly asking.

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not everywhere along the border is like that.

    They just walk across or even drive across in many places.
    Examples? (Yes, you can drive across after being checked at official entry points).



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    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  23. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Examples? (Yes, you can drive across after being checked at official crossing points).

    Stuck and deserted. Next meme?



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  25. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I think your computer/ phone is stuck. It keeps posting the same thing.
    You are way over paid, even for a Soros Troll.
    You refuse to answer the question because you can't ;

    How does border security equate to your so called 'police state' , idot troll.....

    Let me answer for you moron..........;'

    'you keep asking the same question, and I don't know
    so I'll just continue to say you're a broken record''

  26. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Examples? (Yes, you can drive across after being checked at official entry points).

    You have posted yourself maps of what parts of the border have what kinds of barriers.

    Go find them yourself.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  27. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    YOU CAN'T CONVERT THEM AS FAST AS THEY CAN COME, THAT IS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.
    WE CAN'T EVEN CONVERT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE BEEN RAISED IN A CULTURE THAT GIVES LIP SERVICE TO LIBERTY AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

    Coolidge was not insane and he wasn't cutting deals.
    You can if what you're doing is working. They don't come in search of a system that works bent on screwing it up. They may be stuck in their ways, but they aren't consciously determined to shoot themselves in the foot.

    And if course Coolidge negotiated with Congress to nip the corruption in the bud.

    Is shouting helping?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  28. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You can if what you're doing is working. They don't come in search of a system that works bent on screwing it up. They may be stuck in their ways, but they aren't consciously determined to shoot themselves in the foot.
    You can't and history has proven that, the immigrants who came while we had a much freer system that worked much better didn't convert, they helped break the system and converted Americans to socialism.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  29. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You have posted yourself maps of what parts of the border have what kinds of barriers.

    Go find them yourself.
    I see. You can't find anywhere you can just drive across the border freely. (hint- try the US Canada border) Well, thanks for trying.

    Be afwaid! The gobernment will save you!
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-11-2019 at 05:08 PM.


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    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  30. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can't and history has proven that, the immigrants who came while we had a much freer system that worked much better didn't convert, they helped break the system and converted Americans to socialism.
    Did they, now? You mean the ones from the Mayflower?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  31. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I see. You can't find anywhere you can just drive across the border freely. (hint- try the US Canada border) Well, thanks for trying.
    You posted the maps that show where you can and there are news stories about people doing it all the time.

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Did they, now? You mean the ones from the Mayflower?
    Them too, ask the Injuns whether it was a good idea to let them come in unlimited numbers.

    Every wave of immigrants has been more socialist than the last because the rest of the world has got more socialist at a faster rate than America did.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  34. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Did I say that? How about lessening government? Let me go down to this particular house, that is along a particularly idyllic road leading to and from home. The one that has been leased out to foreign national trespassers, and subsequently turned into a third world $#@! hole. The one wherein the trash blows away from the yard, down the hill, onto formerly idyllic road and gets spread up and down it by passing cars for a quarter of a mile in each direction. Let me go in with a couple of friends, neighbors, concerned citizens, point guns at the $#@!ers and tell them there kind isn't welcome here. And if they don't listen burn them out. Their anarchist landlord be damned.
    Will that work?
    No you can't pay the government to do something when others are paying them more to not do something. Politicians that don't take the money get shot at or have their ribs broken. You got anything you can pay mitt Romney not to $#@!ing destroy our country that is worth more than his life or his family's life??

  35. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You posted the maps that show where you can and there are news stories about people doing it all the time.

    If it happens "all the time" you should have no troubles finding them. But I understand. You did your best.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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