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    Exclamation Chicago may be next to try Universal Basic Income: $1000 a month, no questions asked

    Mayoral task force recommends paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    https://abc7chicago.com/5127392/

    Some Chicago families could start collecting a thousand-dollar check every month with "no" strings attached.

    Friday, February 08, 2019 12:20PM

    CHICAGO (WLS) -- Some Chicago families could start collecting a $1,000 check every month with no strings attached. That's the new proposal from a task force created by Mayor Emanuel.

    The idea is to break the cycle of poverty. The pilot program would give 1,000 struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month.

    (Because, you know, nothing breaks the cycle of dependency and poverty faster than subsidizing it. - AF)

    Supporters say people could use the extra cash to cover unexpected emergencies, increase their savings and improve their health.

    The money would come from a mix of city funds and charity.



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    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-test-UBI-and

    its already failed in Finland. People were happy to receive free money but no jobs were created. Go figure.
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    Because they weren't going bankrupt fast enough already?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Because they weren't going bankrupt fast enough already?


    PETITION TO "SELL CHICAGO TO CANADA"

    When Illinois goes Bankrupt we must insist that they give up their statehood in order to get the bailout they will be given, then we can readmit the red counties only as the state of Illinois.
    + rep.

    I have to spread rep around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    + rep.

    I have to spread rep around.
    It's the thought that counts.

    I'm out of ammo right now too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's the thought that counts.

    I'm out of ammo right now too.
    That reminds me, gotta get some more 7.62 54R.
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    1000 isn't very much.
    1000 will probably enough to pay for your food but if you live in areas where housing prices are up through the roof in apartments or condos that 1000 isn't very much.

    Supporters say people could use the extra cash to cover unexpected emergencies, increase their savings and improve their health.
    Seeing how badly America's healthcare is this 1000 could be healthy but not by a long shot.



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    A Negative Income Tax, which creates a wage floor is far superior to the welfare system we have today. The right should channel Friedman and be on the cutting edge of this issue.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    A Negative Income Tax, which creates a wage floor is far superior to the welfare system we have today. The right should channel Friedman and be on the cutting edge of this issue.
    It's a terrible idea, we should have nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's a terrible idea, we should have nothing to do with it.
    NIT is quite a good idea, especially if it replaces the current welfare state since there are no perverse incentives.



    The complete elimination of the welfare state is a fantasy, and if things keep going the way they're going, it's going to be UBI on top of the currently existing welfare system. If the left leads the charge, we're going to get something very, very destructive. It can be avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    NIT is quite a good idea, especially if it replaces the current welfare state since there are no perverse incentives.



    The complete elimination of the welfare state is a fantasy, and if things keep going the way they're going, it's going to be UBI on top of the currently existing welfare system. If the left leads the charge, we're going to get something very, very destructive. It can be avoided.
    The worst part about it is that it concedes the point, it will be expanded and other forms of welfare will be added to it.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 02-09-2019 at 02:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The worst part about it is that it concedes the point, it will be expanded at other forms of welfare will be added to it.
    The point has already been conceded. The welfare state exists and has only expanded since its inception. The right needs to have good policies that can actually solve some of the problems with the system. Campaigning on ending welfare completely is a nonstarter. No one will get elected that way. The right needs to show the working and middle class that they're getting a better deal on their side, not that they're going to strip away things they value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The point has already been conceded. The welfare state exists and has only expanded since its inception. The right needs to have good policies that can actually solve some of the problems with the system. Campaigning on ending welfare completely is a nonstarter. No one will get elected that way. The right needs to show the working and middle class that they're getting a better deal on their side, not that they're going to strip away things they value.
    We must retake the lost ground, we can't accept the loss as permanent, you will not be able to limit welfare as you desire, it will expand as long as you allow it at all.

    The way to deal with selling yourself to the public is to emphasize the spending and tax cuts and regulation cuts etc. that will directly benefit them and not emphasize the welfare reductions that some might object to.
    When the economy has been restored the number of people who want welfare will drop far enough that it can be eliminated completely.
    If you must have a half step that allows some welfare then it should be making recipients ineligible to vote.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    1000 isn't very much.
    1000 will probably enough to pay for your food but if you live in areas where housing prices are up through the roof in apartments or condos that 1000 isn't very much.


    Seeing how badly America's healthcare is this 1000 could be healthy but not by a long shot.
    In all likelihood, their food is already paid for.
    They also need and deserve New Vehicles and Club Memberships , these are basic
    needs that everyone should have.
    1000 is not enough, it should be at least $4700/mo, hell 1000/mo isn't even helping
    them with inflation, and how do you buy loyal generations of socialist voters with a
    scant 1000/mo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The point has already been conceded. The welfare state exists and has only expanded since its inception. The right needs to have good policies that can actually solve some of the problems with the system. Campaigning on ending welfare completely is a nonstarter. No one will get elected that way. The right needs to show the working and middle class that they're getting a better deal on their side, not that they're going to strip away things they value.
    The working and middle class are on welfare?
    Or the working and middle class are inherently huge fans of the Welfare Class?
    I'm not getting how 'The Right' alienates productive, middle class families by refusing to
    subsidize generational-class welfare recipients.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    A Negative Income Tax, which creates a wage floor is far superior to the welfare system we have today. The right should channel Friedman and be on the cutting edge of this issue.
    where they pay me to buy the toasters they want me to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We must retake the lost ground, we can't accept the loss as permanent, you will not be able to limit welfare as you desire, it will expand as long as you allow it at all.

    The way to deal with selling yourself to the public is to emphasize the spending and tax cuts and regulation cuts etc. that will directly benefit them and not emphasize the welfare reductions that some might object to.
    When the economy has been restored the number of people who want welfare will drop far enough that it can be eliminated completely.
    If you must have a half step that allows some welfare then it should be making recipients ineligible to vote.
    Every single one of those political goals is totally impossible. The Cathedral is far too effective for anything like that to happen, or even something remotely approaching it. Name a single time since the end of WWII where a conservative of any stripe took back any ground whatsoever. That's not how the system works, especially when you're talking about completely abolishing welfare or restricting the franchise. To do anything remotely close to that, the amount of groundwork that would need to be done within pre-political structures is mind-boggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    The working and middle class are on welfare?
    Or the working and middle class are inherently huge fans of the Welfare Class?
    I'm not getting how 'The Right' alienates productive, middle class families by refusing to
    subsidize generational-class welfare recipients.
    First of all, I was referring to a broader principle, applying to welfare, taxation, trade, etc. Secondly, yes, the vast majority of the working and middle class support welfare. The vast majority of all classes do. The abolition of welfare (or even significant reducation) is a fringe idea on the right with next to no popular support.
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    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    where they pay me to buy the toasters they want me to buy.
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    First of all, I was referring to a broader principle, applying to welfare, taxation, trade, etc. Secondly, yes, the vast majority of the working and middle class support welfare. The vast majority of all classes do. The abolition of welfare (or even significant reducation) is a fringe idea on the right with next to no popular support.
    I have known hoards of conservatives who never even heard of the term
    'libertarian' that have always been against career welfare, and welfare in general.
    I don't completely disagree though, the stance would guarantee alienation of any
    liberal that might be considering 'flipping' and surely there are 'some' conservatives
    that embrace welfare.
    This Chicago 'plan' encourages the further breeding of families that
    will grow into the welfare state and be raised with that
    goal in mind.
    They will be on food stamps for starters and , 1000 basic income,
    then they will push the 'father' out of the house , qualify for more
    goodies in cash , and 'hatch' more babies in order to increase
    the cash pot.
    Another massive crop of dysfunctional single mom children
    destined to fail.

    ''The Trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of
    other peoples money to spend'' Thatcher


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    Folks who receive the free money will have oodles of free time to devote their activities towards the betterment of their communities.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ryan
    In Washington you can see them everywhere: the Parasites and baby Stalins sucking the life out of a once-great nation.

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    How many times are we gonna try this before people realize it doesn't work?
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How many times are we gonna try this before people realize it doesn't work?
    How many more subsidies will it take before people realize they are intentionally creating a culture of dependency?

    On a side note, my college student son had never heard of the Universal income plan. We explained it, and he immediately said it was stupid because the US dollar's value is derived 100% from the goods and services produced by the USA. Therefore paying people not to work devalues the dollar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Mayoral task force recommends paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

    https://abc7chicago.com/5127392/

    Some Chicago families could start collecting a thousand-dollar check every month with "no" strings attached.

    The Mayor ought to worry about making good on Chicago's pension fund which is a ticking time bomb.


    See: Chicago Pensions: Is There Hope For Reform?


    "There are no easy solutions to the pension debt faced by the city of Chicago pension funds. The payments the city is committed to making over the next 40 years will severely tax its budget, and the plans are so poorly funded that, absent these contributions, they face honest-to-goodness insolvency, no differently than the poster child for insolvency, Central States (Teamsters)."



    You can always count on thieving politicians to offer free government cheese in order to keep themselves in power, even when the "free cheese" is financed from taxes which ought to be used to make good on other promises.



    JWK

    The poison connected with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortezís socialism is, the most productive, hardworking wage earners across the country ___ some in our nationís inner cities who work two and three jobs to extricate themselves from poverty ___ are specifically targeted by Cortezís type of taxation and robbed of the bread they have earned, which in turn discourages them to be productive, and thus begins a Nationís decline.

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    fair share of direct taxes means equal taxation

    .

    A much better idea, one that helped to make America a productive and prosperous country is, that everyone was required to pay a fair [meaning equal] share in financing the functions of government. An example of this thinking is found in the public laws of Marylandís Dorchester County, under which all able bodied residents of the county above twenty and under fifty years of age were ďcompelled to labor two days at least in every year in repairing the roads of said county, with the privilege, however, of furnishing a substitute or paying to the road supervisors seventy-five cents for each day such person may be summoned to labor, the money thus paid to be expended in repairing the roads.Ē

    And the law went on to indicate that ďanyone neglecting or refusing to perform such labor, or to provide a substitute, or to pay seventy-five cents per day for each and every day he may be summoned to work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon trial and conviction before a Justice of the Peace, shall be fined seventy-five cents for each day`s delinquency and costs, and shall stand committed until the fine and costs are paid.Ē___ SEE SHORT vs. STATE OF MARYLAND, decided February 27th, 1895, upholding the law and not violating (a) the 13th or 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, or (b) the 40th section of Art. 3 of the Constitution of Maryland.

    And yet, here we are today with countless factions seeking to manipulate income taxation so as to relieve their identifiable group from its burden, while creating various other groups upon who the burden is placed. And it is well worth to note that in many instances, those who do not share in financing the expenses of government are actually rewarded and allowed to feed from the public trough. How sad and discouraging it is to hear the cries and well-rehearsed arguments and excuses of those who today support and promote such tyranny. A tyranny under which the force of government is used to transfer the property of one group of citizens to another, which is carried out under the cloak of taxation. But keep in mind, there is no magic wand in the force of government which changes the definition of robbery!

    And exactly what was our founding fatherís thinking in a matter in which the property of one is transferred to another using government force? Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792 sums it up as follows:

    "Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man's labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny."


    JWK





    The unavoidable truth is, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortezís socialist plan for ďfreeĒ college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.



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    Sounds to me like the drug dealers will be getting richer from people having a spare $1000 to spend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Every single one of those political goals is totally impossible. The Cathedral is far too effective for anything like that to happen, or even something remotely approaching it. Name a single time since the end of WWII where a conservative of any stripe took back any ground whatsoever. That's not how the system works, especially when you're talking about completely abolishing welfare or restricting the franchise. To do anything remotely close to that, the amount of groundwork that would need to be done within pre-political structures is mind-boggling.
    You have to try, the only other option is to vote for the craziest worst communists in order to bring on the collapse, what you are suggesting will not help to restore liberty slowly or quickly it will help to cement communism in our culture and extend its shelf life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    What?
    LOL I had a few beers last night. They pay you to buy the things they choose for you to buy.
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    Giving people $1000 a month is such a bad idea.

    The whole point of UBI is to be able to quit your job. The UBI needs to be at least $5000 for it to work.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

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