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    Is President Trump Protecting Us From Socialism?

    Is President Trump Protecting Us From Socialism?



    During President Trump's latest State of The Union speech, he stated that "America will never be a socialist country." However, America is bankrupt precisely because of the massive Socialist policies that it already has. The president then went on to advocate a few new Socialist policies of his own! Ron Paul discusses on today's Liberty Report!
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    No - he doesnt realize that its already here, so how is he to defend from it?

    Will the man with a bloody nose be able to defend against a punch?

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  4. #3
    America will never be a socialist country...

    Never a socialist country, why bother when you can skip to something much worse?

    Oh wait, ....
    Ron wanted "Hope For America", do we still have some?
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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Vidual View Post
    America will never be a socialist country...

    Never a socialist country, why bother when you can skip to something much worse?

    Oh wait, ....
    Ron wanted "Hope For America", do we still have some?

    No. Now we have Trump's brand of nationalistic socialism instead. "Abandon hope all ye who enter here."
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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  6. #5
    @:35 or so...
    "I understand we have a few socialists in the Congress now... Nothing unusual..."
    I love this man!
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    If you believe you have the right to beat, cage, and even kill others in order to extort form them their wealth to fund programs run by a massive centralized state you're already advocating for the public ownership of property, especially if you're engaged in programs designed to regulate the free exchanges of good and services across borders because you believe in a communal ownership of land theory (i.e "our country" or "my country") that you think gives you the right to control the life, wealth, and property of others. He further said he would undertake to order that all parents have paid leave when their children are born. The only way you can think the government has a right to dictate such policy to private businesses is if you believe it has the right or authority to regulate the means of production as if it owned it, making the distinction between private and state ownership superfluous.

    It is also important to remember that the term Socialist predates Marx and Marxism. Marx argued that his particular brand of socialism would culminate in Communism. But there were and are other forms of socialism before and after and other than Marxist Socialism. Fascism, for example, which articulates collectivism and focuses the destruction of the individual in terms of nationality (or in the case of National Socialism race/ethnicity) instead of class..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    ...
    It is also important to remember that the term Socialist predates Marx and Marxism. Marx argued that his particular brand of socialism would culminate in Communism. But there were and are other forms of socialism before and after and other than Marxist Socialism. Fascism, for example, which articulates collectivism and focuses the destruction of the individual in terms of nationality (or in the case of National Socialism race/ethnicity) instead of class..
    Chris Rosini talks about the “texbook” version of Socialism being nationalization of the means of production (~5 minute mark). He basically says that the government has found a work-around on that with so much business being dependent on government contracts.

    But the definition of socialism seems to have changed over time. Marx did not like socialism, as it was just a way for the Aristocrat/Plutocrat establishment to maintain control of the masses by taxing and than handing out some crumbs. Now people defend socialism by saying, “but there is still (some) private property, and the government hasn’t nationalized (everything), it’s not really (textbook) socialism”.

    It seems as though conflating various forms of socialism with absolute Marxist communism has been done to create a huge gray area and buffer zone for the various forms of socialism to flourish, while pretending it’s not “textbook socialism”. Who rewrote those “texbook” definitions? Maybe it should just be called IngSoc.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 02-18-2019 at 11:13 AM.
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  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Chris Rosini talks about the “texbook” version of Socialism being nationalization of the means of production (~5 minute mark). He basically say that the government has found a work-around on that with so much business being dependent on government contracts.

    But the definition of socialism seems to have changed over time. Marx did not like socialism, as it was just a way for the Aristocrat/Plutocrat establishment to maintain control of the masses by taxing and than handing out some crumbs. Now people defend socialism by saying, “but there is still (some) private property, and the government hasn’t nationalized (everything), it’s not really (textbook) socialism”.

    It seems as though conflating various forms of socialism with absolute Marxist communism has been done to create a huge gray area and buffer zone for the various forms of socialism to flourish, while pretending it’s not “textbook socialism”. Who rewrote those “texbook” definitions? Maybe it should just be called IngSoc.
    All seems to come back around to the Cold War. And form to Lenin. Marx didn't divide Socialism and Communism the way we do now. For him they were the same thing, at least his form of Socialism was the same as Communism. The way we currently divide the terms into Socialism and also Communism was created by Lenin as a way to explain why the USSR wasn't a Communist society. Socialism, Lenin argued, was the process of transform to full Communism. And that kind of Marxist-Leninist ideal has just stuck.

    But once we understand that socialism predates Marx it becomes quite easy to explain the national socialists and Fascism specifically. Fascism, at least in its proto- form, could probably be dated back to the French Revolution, when the People seized control of the State and demanded it serve the Nation, i.e. the place of birth and the people born there. It was "blood and soil" long before Mussolini ever entered the picture. And of course, in turn, the People must obey the State as it was the manifest will of the People given action. Nationalism -the obsession with the State operating to organize the idealized Race or People born in a given territory- was the original socialism. This understood helps explain why lifelong Marxists like Mussolini could so naturally transition to Fascism, which is simply Nationalism given its ultimate form.
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

    "A man chooses. A slave obeys."-Andrew Ryan

    "There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."-Andrew Ryan



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  11. #9
    This thread seems kinda quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This thread seems kinda quiet.
    That's because Trump is doing such a bang-up job of making sure that America will never be a socialist country.

    So there just isn't really that much to talk about ...

    (If some socialism actually manages to break out, I'm sure this thread will pick up some.)
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  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That's because Trump is doing such a bang-up job of making sure that America will never be a socialist country.

    So there just isn't really that much to talk about ...

    (If some socialism actually manages to break out, I'm sure this thread will pick up some.)
    Plus, of course Trump is protecting us from socialism. I mean he's a Republican after all. It's the Democrats who want socialism. They're are enemy, as you could tell just by reading practically any random thread here over the past 2 years.

    Plus, he's not just any Republican. This is Donald Trump, the one true conservative of the party, not some RINO who supports single-payer healthcare, gun control, tariffs, ag subsidies, and border walls.

    Who in the world is that non-player character in the OP with his obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome who even questions this?

    So yeah, of course most of the active posters here nowadays don't have much to say about this.

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Plus, of course Trump is protecting us from socialism. I mean he's a Republican after all. It's the Democrats who want socialism. They're are enemy, as you could tell just by reading practically any random thread here over the past 2 years.

    Plus, he's not just any Republican. This is Donald Trump, the one true conservative of the party, not some RINO who supports single-payer healthcare, gun control, tariffs, ag subsidies, and border walls.

    Who in the world is that non-player character in the OP with his obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome who even questions this?

    So yeah, of course most of the active posters here nowadays don't have much to say about this.
    Don't forget declaring national emergencies specifically to avoid the constitutional limitations on his office! He would never do that!
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

    "A man chooses. A slave obeys."-Andrew Ryan

    "There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."-Andrew Ryan

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This thread seems kinda quiet.
    Probably a lot of people don’t watch the video.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  16. #14
    Trump is the only thing left standing between what we have now and full-blown socialism (Soviet Amerika).

    This country has been fabian socialist before Trump was even born.

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    The Government is going to pay for it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The foreigners will take 100% of your income and then your life.



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  20. #17
    You guys are being much too hard on the Trump humpers. They just want Trump to be treated fairly, just ask them they'll tell you. I'm sure they'll be along presently to criticise (in the mildest possible manner) Trump's more socialistic tendencies ... and then proceed to provide endless excuses for why he simply can't do anything else.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    You guys are being much too hard on the Trump humpers. They just want Trump to be treated fairly, just ask them they'll tell you. I'm sure they'll be along presently to criticise (in the mildest possible manner) Trump's more socialistic tendencies ... and then proceed to provide endless excuses for why he simply can't do anything else.
    Yes, I would like Trump to be treated fairly. Obama and other presidents start unauthorized wars, Trump should be allowed to end unauthorized wars (which is codified in the Constitution).

    And I am happy to criticize this disgusting spending bill, along with every other spending bill he's signed. I am happy to call Trump out for his Fabian socialism.

    Yet I will praise him (just as Ron does) for his good moves, of which there are many, especially for a modern president. Will you?

    Collapsitarians will never praise anything but the collapse. I get it, and respect it, but it renders their input on any other outcome...less than informative.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    Yes, I would like Trump to be treated fairly. Obama and other presidents start unauthorized wars, Trump should be allowed to end unauthorized wars (which is codified in the Constitution).

    And I am happy to criticize this disgusting spending bill, along with every other spending bill he's signed. I am happy to call Trump out for his Fabian socialism.

    Yet I will praise him (just as Ron does) for his good moves, of which there are many, especially for a modern president. Will you?
    There are none.

    He cut corporate taxes and the started a trade war which results in the cost of living increasing on everyone- meaning he instituted a universal tax.

    What else is there?

    He backed off Syria, something he had already completely lost anyway?
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

    "A man chooses. A slave obeys."-Andrew Ryan

    "There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."-Andrew Ryan

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Chris Rosini talks about the “texbook” version of Socialism being nationalization of the means of production (~5 minute mark). He basically say that the government has found a work-around on that with so much business being dependent on government contracts.

    But the definition of socialism seems to have changed over time. Marx did not like socialism, as it was just a way for the Aristocrat/Plutocrat establishment to maintain control of the masses by taxing and than handing out some crumbs. Now people defend socialism by saying, “but there is still (some) private property, and the government hasn’t nationalized (everything), it’s not really (textbook) socialism”.

    It seems as though conflating various forms of socialism with absolute Marxist communism has been done to create a huge gray area and buffer zone for the various forms of socialism to flourish, while pretending it’s not “textbook socialism”. Who rewrote those “texbook” definitions? Maybe it should just be called IngSoc.
    Chris Rossini is 100% spectacular, a man who has not just a pristine understanding, but is a superb communicator. He is heavily underutilized, I feel he could be a breakout voice for liberty if he had a bigger platform. Ron/Dan should give Chris his own weeknight show. This would be tremendous for RPI's media base.

    Rossini is the real deal. Too valuable to liberty to just be on air once a week.



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